WARNING, Paypal just made me lose $20 THOUSAND dollars from a scamming buyer

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#826
saira1214 said:
It's very hard to do what OP did so that is the detterent. It's the fact that her bag was destroyed that allowed her the chargeback. In many instances, the bag is sent back to the seller.



From what I remember the affidavit was his/hers. So in fact, it is real if he/she signed it and had it notarized. That is the only way PP can cover themselves is by having someone sign an affidavit saying that they destroyed the bag. In this case, she didn't destroy the bag, but legally, PP has no basis to believe otherwise.
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You don't think that affadavits can be forged or be fake??

PP told the buyer to destroy this bag solely on the info the

buyer provided. PP never contacted the seller to get additional info

PP strictly made a determination from the buyer's info..

anything & everything can be altered today and there are

people around that will sign their name to anything to make a buck,

KWIM.. the whole PP destroying bag scenario has to be corrected..

there needs to be a third party involved to confirm a buyer/seller's

proof... do we even know if PP contacted the notary to see if

all of this was legit??
 
#827
hotshot said:
You don't think that affadavits can be forged or be fake??

PP told the buyer to destroy this bag solely on the info the

buyer provided. PP never contacted the seller to get additional info

PP strictly made a determination from the buyer's info..

anything & everything can be altered today and there are

people around that will sign their name to anything to make a buck,

KWIM.. the whole PP destroying bag scenario has to be corrected..

there needs to be a third party involved to confirm a buyer/seller's

proof... do we even know if PP contacted the notary to see if

all of this was legit??
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Affidavits are real and genunie as long as they are signed by the person attesting and notarized. They can contain lies, but that has to be proven in court with evidence to the contrary. Paypal took the her affidavit as truth.

I agree their system sucks, but unfortunately that is what they relied on in this case.
 
#828
well, I also agree that they should be genuine.. but when you have an experienced scammer as this person is, I wouldn't put anything past her... especially since it is coming from out of the country.... this was an $11,000 transaction... I think this
buyer knew exactly what she was doing and has done this in the past.. for most of us we wouldn't think of doing something like this... but there are people in this world
who will forge passports, driver's licenses, birth certificates etc... we all know that..
I just want to say that PP could have contacted the notary and gone that extra step to insure that this info indeed was genuine as this was a huge amount of money for the seller to be out of not PP... what do they care.. a buyer says something is fake they get an affadavit and they get their money 1, 2 3...we have all heard stories like this on the forum that is why so many of us are enraged by PP policies...
 
#829
In my understanding this affidavit signed by buyer was a statement that the he/she (the buyer) DESTROYED the bag on Paypal instruction. This affidavit was NOT a statement about the bag being fake.
 
#830
thought that PP told the buyer to destroy the bag because it was a fake..
the affadvait was a confirmation that the bag indeed was fake... otherwise why would the buyer need to destroy the bag and have an affadavit
 
#832
exactly as I thought.. no affadavit from the seller confirming that this Hermes birkin was authentic & genuine... just the word of a scamming buyer who knew exactly what to do... and perhaps has a "payroll of people" she can use to falsify documents..

she destroyed the bag personally....gimme a break!!
 
#833
hotshot said:
exactly as I thought.. no affadavit from the seller confirming that this Hermes birkin was authentic & genuine... just the word of a scamming buyer who knew exactly what to do... and perhaps has a "payroll of people" she can use to falsify documents..

she destroyed the bag personally....gimme a break!!
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This affidavit is NOT a statement that the item is fake (NOT the statement of non authenticity of item) but a statement sent/faxed by Paypal to buyer, signed by buyer that she/he destroyed the bag, and sent/faxed it back to Paypal. This affidavit is the confirmation that she/he destroyed the bag (which of course she/he lied about it)
And the letter confirming that the item is authentic that Kristie got (that Paypal never bother to review, etc) called Statement Of Authenticity and not an affidavit that Kristie must signed-it was signed by the firm that issuing that letter of Statement of Authenticity of her Hermes Birkin.
 
#834
meandmylouis said:
This affidavit is NOT a statement that the item is fake (NOT the statement of non authenticity of item) but a statement sent/faxed by Paypal to buyer, signed by buyer that she/he destroyed the bag, and sent/faxed it back to Paypal. This affidavit is the confirmation that she/he destroyed the bag (which of course she/he lied about it)
And the letter confirming that the item is authentic that Kristie got (that Paypal never bother to review, etc) called Statement Of Authenticity and not an affidavit that Kristie must signed-it was signed by the firm that issuing that letter of Statement of Authenticity of her Hermes Birkin.
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understand that the affadavit that PP requested was to have proof
that the bag was destroyed.. but buyer had to prove to PP that the
bag was not genuine to get things rolling on her end...and PP hadn't
contacted the seller to get her letter of statement of authenticity.
isn't something wrong here???
 
#835
Kristie I have been following your saga from the beginning and I am SO HAPPY that not only Chase backed you and is taking up for you and going after PP but that you received your funds back in full. It's a bloody shame the criminal gets to keep the Birk but Karma has a way of getting back at those who deserve it.

I say go out and get that Hermes saddle that you've most certainly earned after this debacle:hugs:
 
#836
hotshot said:
understand that the affadavit that PP requested was to have proof
that the bag was destroyed.. but buyer had to prove to PP that the
bag was not genuine to get things rolling on her end...and PP hadn't
contacted the seller to get her letter of statement of authenticity.
isn't something wrong here???
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EVERYTHING PP did was wrong.
They never asked ME for ANY documentation PERIOD. I supplied it on my own just to try and cover myself and be "protected" HA!
I submitted a signed letter of authenticity for that bag by an intellectual property firm..... I mean, as legit as it gets right?? PP said AFTER I submitted it that they never asked me for it and they do not take SELLER'S documents at all ONLY the buyer in SNAD cases........
The "affidavit" that paypal sent to the BUYER stating she "destroyed" the bag is NOT notorized in any way. Paypal said the buyer just signs it and faxes it back..... End of story.

Of COURSE it was a simple scam because paypal always sides with the buyer and the buyer KNEW it. I am still blown away that they said seller's documentation and proof of authenticity is 100% irrelevant in SNAD cases. ONLY the buyer's documentation is taken into account. Could it be any more scandalous????
 
#838
saira1214 said:
Affidavits are real and genunie as long as they are signed by the person attesting and notarized. They can contain lies, but that has to be proven in court with evidence to the contrary. Paypal took the her affidavit as truth.

I agree their system sucks, but unfortunately that is what they relied on in this case.
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Please read the post that Kristie has posted in this thread.. post
#836..

She says "The affadavit that PP sent to the buyer stating she

destroyed the bag is Not Notarized in any way..PP said the buyer

just signs it & faxes it back.. end of story"..

I find that very interesting... PP just took the word of this

buyer with an affadavit that wasn't notarized...and the bag is

destroyed with what kind of proof?? NO PROOF WHATSOEVER..

If this is a scam in the making what is???
 
#840
do any sellers out there think that if there was any kind of letter of statement

of authenticity posted in their listing that it would deter something like this

happening again....it would be a challenge for a buyer to dispute that..would

ebay allow that information to be listed in a seller's ad??
 
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