WARNING, Paypal just made me lose $20 THOUSAND dollars from a scamming buyer

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#181
BerryWriter said:
Perhaps so, but the problem is most people have never heard of any of those and so requiring those instead of Paypal may turn a lot of buyers off. I don't think your name calling was necessary. It's not "brainwashing" its that people will always want to use what's familiar to them and what they know has worked in the past, esp. where their money/financial info is concerned. It would be better if Ebay allowed Google Checkout instead of a list of generic payment methods few have ever heard of before as GC is a lot more well known and familiar to people.
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The term "brainwashing" was certainly not intenteded as name calling. Ebay has convinced buyers since inception that the ONLY SAFE form of payment is by using the Ebay owned company, PAYPAL.

Buyer's credit cards actually offer a higher level of buyer protection than Paypal does. Buyers use their credit card on these alternative sites.

Its not only a matter of change.....Its an issue, (MY OPINION) of Ebay beating it to everyone's head for years (brainwashing) that PAYPAL IS THE ONLY SAFE METHOD OF PAYMENT.

And of course, there is Paypal's new creed, "The world's most loved way to get paid"....PLEASE....

Sorry, I'm not a big Paypal fan.....I don't appreciate being forced to accept a form of payment that has screwed me over in the past as well....

To me, Paypal is neither Safe, not best loved.....
 
#183
kristie said:
Really there is NO 100% foolproof way to NOT get scammed when it comes to PP.
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Yes, I agree. You can "protect" yourself by every way imaginable and it still seems like the system is flawed. This kind of thing is becoming an epidemic. The scammers are ruining it for the rest of us. I honestly don't know how anyone sells on EBay anymore.
I'm glad to hear that you're following up with an attorney, OP. I really do think that it's your best course of action. Again, I'm terribly sorry about all of this and I'm rooting for you and a positive outcome.
 
#184
vhdos said:
Yes, I agree. You can "protect" yourself by every way imaginable and it still seems like the system is flawed. This kind of thing is becoming an epidemic. The scammers are ruining it for the rest of us. I honestly don't know how anyone sells on EBay anymore.
I'm glad to hear that you're following up with an attorney, OP. I really do think that it's your best course of action. Again, I'm terribly sorry about all of this and I'm rooting for you and a positive outcome.
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This transaction went off ebay. Not sticking up for Ebay, but all bets were off when the buyer and seller took the transaction off ebay and straight to PayPal. its a mess and I hope it gets resolved, but unfortunately there was no Ebay recourse, such as it is, in this case...
 
#185
ChildOfTheMoon said:
I honestly think that you need to do some of your own PI work. Right now you need to type her address into google and locate each and every consignment store within 20 miles from it. Maybe more. Call each and everyone with the description , stamp etc. This is robbery and you can bet he/she will be selling the evidence, probably not on the internet. Last, I am new to the forum , but have seen what the members here can find out within days , and I would take full use of that. The more that you know about this person , the more it will help you. It is not illegal to do your own research when someone robs you.
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Great idea concerning the consignment stores. As bold as she is I don't think she'd chance selling on Ebay, maybe down the road. Scammers usually want instant gratification (i.e. money) immediately.
 
#186
CobaltBlu said:
This transaction went off ebay. Not sticking up for Ebay, but all bets were off when the buyer and seller took the transaction off ebay and straight to PayPal. its a mess and I hope it gets resolved, but unfortunately there was no Ebay recourse, such as it is, in this case...
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The seller still had credibility with PayPal though, right? She'd sold $120K last year (and paid fees on this amount to PayPal) versus the zero dollar reputation the buyer has with PayPal. PayPal also advertises seller protection, and she sold the item as goods, which should fall under their seller protection.

Both parties also submitted evidence to either prove or disprove authenticity, and from what we've heard, the seller submitted some damn good evidence to prove the bag she sold was indeed authentic.

Granted we don't know what evidence the buyer submitted, and I really don't know how PayPal works and evaluates cases, but to me, this sounds like a no-brainer: Seller should have won.

OP, I'm rooting for you. I hope this comes to a sound conclusion.
 
#187
CobaltBlu said:
This transaction went off ebay. Not sticking up for Ebay, but all bets were off when the buyer and seller took the transaction off ebay and straight to PayPal. its a mess and I hope it gets resolved, but unfortunately there was no Ebay recourse, such as it is, in this case...
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not sticking up for Ebay either, but perhaps the reason such as this is why Ebay now offers their own buyers protection?

LOVE the outfit Cobaltblu! So nice of her to wear that for you!
 
#188
Black Elite said:
The seller still had credibility with PayPal though, right? She'd sold $120K last year (and paid fees on this amount to PayPal) versus the zero dollar reputation the buyer has with PayPal. PayPal also advertises seller protection, and she sold the item as goods, which should fall under their seller protection.

Both parties also submitted evidence to either prove or disprove authenticity, and from what we've heard, the seller submitted some damn good evidence to prove the bag she sold was indeed authentic.

Granted we don't know what evidence the buyer submitted, and I really don't know how PayPal works and evaluates cases, but to me, this sounds like a no-brainer: Seller should have won.

OP, I'm rooting for you. I hope this comes to a sound conclusion.
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Yes, ity seems it should have had some bearing...mostly I was talking about the issue of the zero feedback vs platinum status, etc.

This is definitely a mess, how they would trust that the bag would be destroyed on the basis of an affidavit is beyond me.
 
#191
CobaltBlu said:
Yes, ity seems it should have had some bearing...mostly I was talking about the issue of the zero feedback vs platinum status, etc.
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Ah OK I gotcha. Perhaps this is why PayPal didn't bother with any of the seller's photos? Because they were on eBay, and this technically wasn't an eBay transaction, anything eBay related regarding this case became irrelevant. But since PayPal is owned by eBay, you'd think they'd at least take it into consideration!

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This is definitely a mess, how they would trust that the bag would be destroyed on the basis of an affidavit is beyond me.
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Right! Especially one that was faxed and not even notarized. Seems like she could have put Big Bird's signature on it for all they'd care. Shame on PayPal.
 
#192
I've been thinking about this all day. At this price point, why wouldn't PP INSIST on having said bag in their possession before anything so final, as destruction, be done.
The affidavit thing is insane, especially when the buyer's integrity has been called into play.
 
#195
skyqueen said:
Could she sue them for stupidity???
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In an ideal world where things are done fairly and logically, yes.

I am anxious to speak with an attorney but I am concerned with valid reasoning. In a civil case, the burden of proof will be on ME as the person who sold and shipped the bag, to PROVE the bag I had authenticated and a receipt, photos, etc of, is the one I put in a box and SENT to her.

The "evidence" being the bag, is "gone" since the buyer will say she destroyed my "fake" bag per paypal policy.

Scary but a very valid concern.
 
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