I just got this beautiful rambler in the mail yesterday. It is in absolutely amazing condition! I can hardly believe it! Especially since this is my 4th of this style and 2 of the others are riddled with holes in the edging. This is like new by comparison. Anyway,, the thing is, I think it might be navy, not black. But if it is navy it's darker than all my other navy bags. But when I compare it with the same bag in black that I was going to use this to replace, it really doesn't look the same, especially in the suede inside the flap, it's quite blueish. I wonder if I wash it and the water runs blue that will confirm it's navy? That means I don't have to get rid of my hole-covered black one! Later or tomorrow when I get time I will post a picture of it side by side my black beater: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Womens-Vin...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649