vegetarians with leather bags?

[ahs483]

If a person is vegetarian due to moral or ethical uneasiness yet still purchases leather bags, then yes, I would be intrigued as to the logical fallacy upheld by such a mentality.

I think its just how they feel. I was this kind of person and although I could not give up leather bags, I wanted to do SOMETHING so I chose not to eat meat. I know to plenty of people that is rediculous but its just something that personally helps ME. To each their own

 

[vhdos]

I would only question this in the event that they also condemn people who do eat meat, not before.

We're all allowed our own choices, tastes, opinions. As long as we don't voice our double standards it's fine. After all, who's to know? You can be vegetarian due to moral issues, and use leather goods. I don't understand it, but hey, I'm not you. Just keep any opinions about me eating meat and murdering that poor cow/pig/sheep to yourself, that's all I ask.

But by definition, a hypocrite is one who acts in contradiction to their beliefs. Therefore, if one is ethically/morally opposed to the slaughter of animals for food, but is okay with the slaughter of animals for the purpose of wearing leather, then that would be a contradiction. That person would be acting in ways that were contrary to their beliefs - making them, by definition, a hypocrite. Certainly, it would be taking that a step further if they were actually condemning others for eating meat, but that part is not necessary to be considered a hypocrite, at least not in my opinion.
The bottom line is that people should do what feels right for them. If not wanting to consume animals makes you feel better, fine. If not wanting to eat animals or wear them makes you feel better, fine. If not wanting to eat animals, but wearing them makes you feel better, then that's fine too. It's all about personal choice and just because I think that someone might be a hypocrite, I also think that it's great that we can all make decisions about our lives that work for us. There are worse things in this world than being called a hypocrite. Also, being a hypocrite does not mean that I am judging or condemning someone in a personal attack. It simply means that I am defining a certain aspect about someone, just as others are defining me
Anyways, that's just my .02 cents, so take it for what it's worth

 

[Hurrem1001]

]But by definition, a hypocrite is one who acts in contradiction to their beliefs. Therefore, if one is ethically/morally opposed to the slaughter of animals for food, but is okay with the slaughter of animals for the purpose of wearing leather, then that would be a contradiction[/B]. That person would be acting in ways that were contrary to their beliefs - making them, by definition, a hypocrite. Certainly, it would be taking that a step further if they were actually condemning others for eating meat, but that part is not necessary to be considered a hypocrite, at least not in my opinion.
The bottom line is that people should do what feels right for them. If not wanting to consume animals makes you feel better, fine. If not wanting to eat animals or wear them makes you feel better, fine. If not wanting to eat animals, but wearing them makes you feel better, then that's fine too. It's all about personal choice and just because I think that someone might be a hypocrite, I also think that it's great that we can all make decisions about our lives that work for us. There are worse things in this world than being called a hypocrite. Also, being a hypocrite does not mean that I am judging or condemning someone in a personal attack. It simply means that I am defining a certain aspect about someone, just as others are defining me
Anyways, that's just my .02 cents, so take it for what it's worth

Agreed. But here's my thing. I don't care who you are(not you personally now, a general 'you') or what you do. That's your lookout and your business. I may not understand you, but hey, I'm not you. You may not understand me either, and that's totally fine.

Where I have had an issue (I've been personally attacked in this exact same scenario in the past) and where I will have an issue, is if you(again, the general 'you') feel the need to get on your moral high horse and tell me I'm wrong for eating meat, when you're standing there in your lovely leather CL's, With your beautiful Suede jacket on, leaning on your beautiful Mercedes with it leather interior, kwim? That's the point I'm making.

I don't care if you don't want to eat meat for moral reasons but you still wear leather shoes, carry a leather bag, wear a leather jacket. Just don't judge me for my choices, same as you don't want me judging you.

Other than that, I couldn't care less quite frankly. People can do whatever they want!

 

[ahs483]

But by definition, a hypocrite is one who acts in contradiction to their beliefs. Therefore, if one is ethically/morally opposed to the slaughter of animals for food, but is okay with the slaughter of animals for the purpose of wearing leather, then that would be a contradiction. That person would be acting in ways that were contrary to their beliefs - making them, by definition, a hypocrite. Certainly, it would be taking that a step further if they were actually condemning others for eating meat, but that part is not necessary to be considered a hypocrite, at least not in my opinion.
The bottom line is that people should do what feels right for them. If not wanting to consume animals makes you feel better, fine. If not wanting to eat animals or wear them makes you feel better, fine. If not wanting to eat animals, but wearing them makes you feel better, then that's fine too. It's all about personal choice and just because I think that someone might be a hypocrite, I also think that it's great that we can all make decisions about our lives that work for us. There are worse things in this world than being called a hypocrite. Also, being a hypocrite does not mean that I am judging or condemning someone in a personal attack. It simply means that I am defining a certain aspect about someone, just as others are defining me
Anyways, that's just my .02 cents, so take it for what it's worth

 

[vhdos]

Agreed. But here's my thing. I don't care who you are(not you personally now, a general 'you') or what you do. That's your lookout and your business. I may not understand you, but hey, I'm not you. You may not understand me either, and that's totally fine.

Where I have had an issue (I've been personally attacked in this exact same scenario in the past) and where I will have an issue, is if you(again, the general 'you') feel the need to get on your moral high horse and tell me I'm wrong for eating meat, when you're standing there in your lovely leather CL's, With your beautiful Suede jacket on, leaning on your beautiful Mercedes with it leather interior, kwim? That's the point I'm making.

I don't care if you don't want to eat meat for moral reasons but you still wear leather shoes, carry a leather bag, wear a leather jacket. Just don't judge me for my choices, same as you don't want me judging you.

Other than that, I couldn't care less quite frankly. People can do whatever they want!

I completely agree with you - that people should do what works best for them. Honestly, I don't really care either if a vegetarian chooses to wear leather. However, the point of my post was that I don't think that defining someone as a hypocrite, is about their actions towards others. It's about how their actions affect them personally. I think that they are hypocritical by definition because they are acting in ways (buying and/or wearing leather) that are contradictory to their belief system (that is is morally wrong to kill animals).
But again, if you are a vegetarian and wear leather, fine! I love leather and I completely understand the reasons for wanting to purchase it over man-made materials.

 

[Hurrem1001]

I completely agree with you - that people should do what works best for them. Honestly, I don't really care either if a vegetarian chooses to wear leather. However, the point of my post was that I don't think that defining someone as a hypocrite, is about their actions towards others. It's about how their actions affect them personally. I think that they are hypocritical by definition because they are acting in ways (buying and/or wearing leather) that are contradictory to their belief system (that is is morally wrong to kill animals).
But again, if you are a vegetarian and wear leather, fine! I love leather and I completely understand the reasons for wanting to purchase it over man-made materials.

Again, you're right. If they so choose to live their life like that, that's their choice. They know they're being hypocritical,they're not stupid. So who are they really hurting? No one but themselves. Who are they really fooling? Again, no one but themselves. Other people are on to them, just as I was right on the person who attacked me. And what argument do they then have? None. They've made a complete and utter fool out of themselves for a cause thet they don't even really believe in. Ridiculous.

 

[vhdos]

^Whoa... This is not an us-against-them argument. I'm not labeling anyone as "fools" etc. I was simply stating my opinion on how I define a hypocrite. I have no desire to get lumped in a discussion where attacks & arguments are being made. I am not "on" to anyone because quite frankly, it doesn't bother me if a vegetarian chooses to wear leather. I can respect your opinions, coachlover, but this is not personal for me. It is a dialogue and nothing more.

 

[Hurrem1001]

^Whoa... This is not an us-against-them argument. I'm not labeling anyone as "fools" etc. I was simply stating my opinion on how I define a hypocrite. I have no desire to get lumped in a discussion where attacks & arguments are being made. I am not "on" to anyone because quite frankly, it doesn't bother me if a vegetarian chooses to wear leather. I can respect your opinions, coachlover, but this is not personal for me. It is a dialogue and nothing more.

Again, you're right. That's all this is to me too, a dialogue. Again, I'm referring to a particular incident that happened to me, and to those particular kinds of people that say one thing, but choose to do another. Those particular people that would judge me as a meat eater as immoral and a murderer, but will still choose to benefit from the death of an animal for their shoes, clothes, car, furniture.

I'm not blasting anyone for what they choose to do, what I am saying is just don't judge me for my choices, when your choices are not so different to mine. If an animal was killed to provide the meat I eat, an animal was also killed to provide the leather/suede goods they choose to wear/use.

That's my point. I'm only concerned with the militant hypocrites and fanatics. That's it. I've already said that it doesn't bother me what you do, or how you do it. It's none of my business. But it does become my business when you choose to be completely hypocritical and attack me for my choices. That's the person that makes me angry. No one on here has attacked me, these ladies are doing great as far as I'm concerned.

I'm not labelling anyone as a fool, other than a particular type of person who judges me and what I do, when they're doing pretty much the same thing. That's it. That's all I meant.

I think this is a very good discussion, tbh. I will say it's hard to get the nuances of how you feel and what you mean conveyed through a keyboard, kwim? I'm not trying to attack anyone, just state the truth as I see it.

 

[Hurrem1001]

I think the other thing I wanted to say was if you(general you, not specific you) are one of those people I'm talking about. You won't eat meat for moral reasons, yet you choose to wear/use leather goods, and you also choose to loudly condemn people that eat meat because of the animal that died, you need to look to yourself and your own actions and choices.

If you truly believe that as a moral vegetarian(or whatever it is you call yourself) it's not ok for me to eat meat, but it's ok for you to carry it, wear it, sit on it, and you choose to have a go at me for my choice. Do you really believe in the cause you are so loudly voicing? Again, if an animal has died to provide me my meat, an animal has also died to provide your clothes, bags, shoes. It's no different. To me it's simple.

 

[queennadine]

If we really want to get technical, I would consider a hypocrite to be someone who would tell others that eating meat is wrong and eat meat themselves.

There technically is no contradiction between thinking the killing of animals for food is wrong but to be ok with the killing of animals for other products and goods because you're opposed/supportive of those purposes for different reasons.

I don't like calling people hypocrites, because it just serves no purpose. Maybe it makes the person doing the finger-pointing and name-calling feel better about themselves, but it doesn't do anything other than create hostility.

This has been discussed a million times before, but no one can really truly avoid animal products 100%. They're found in everything, everywhere.

Would you call someone who drives a Prius a hypocrite? I'm sure they're still using electricity and power and putting off carbon somewhere in their lives.

Would you call someone who tries to buy things made in the US a hypocrite because they have some 'Made in China' products in their home?

Calling someone who is trying to make a difference a hypocrite doesn't solve anything. It's just reprehensible, IMO.

 

[GhstDreamer]

Would you call someone who tries to buy things made in the US a hypocrite because they have some 'Made in China' products in their home?

Yes only if that person proclaims that they will never ever purchase anything made in China because of human rights and living wages (though a lot of the US don't provide living wages too but that's besides the point) to people and then have made in China computers, game consoles and televisions - which all are not necessities of life.

 

[pickle]

What difference does it make what people do? If they want to avoid eating meat, yet wear/carry leather, who cares? unless someone is pushing their ways onto others (and that goes for anything, religion, vegan-ism, politics, & so on), why does it matter? And even then, just tell them to p!ss off LOL. Everyone has their own opinions and ways of living.

Ooh, an opportunity to talk about how meat grosses me out...
1/2 of the time, I avoid meat, especially if it was not cooked at home. People ask me all the time if I'm vegetarian - I hate explaining myself to them. I am not vegetarian, but most of the time eating something dead that was alive before creeps me out. What puts me off is also eating meat outside of the house, is that many places don't cook the meat all the way through, they don't follow my request to not have ANY pink. I say CHAR that stuff, they still don't. Of if I get tendons or fat in the meat, it makes me gag and not want to touch meat again for months. Ew, meat just grosses me out. There's so many other particular things besides what I mentioned. But I'll be here all day if I say them all hehe enough rambling

 

[GhstDreamer]

What difference does it make what people do? If they want to avoid eating meat, yet wear/carry leather, who cares? unless someone is pushing their ways onto others (and that goes for anything, religion, vegan-ism, politics, & so on), why does it matter? And even then, just tell them to p!ss off LOL. Everyone has their own opinions and ways of living.

Ooh, an opportunity to talk about how meat grosses me out...
1/2 of the time, I avoid meat, especially if it was not cooked at home. People ask me all the time if I'm vegetarian - I hate explaining myself to them. I am not vegetarian, but most of the time eating something dead that was alive before creeps me out. What puts me off is also eating meat outside of the house, is that many places don't cook the meat all the way through, they don't follow my request to not have ANY pink. I say CHAR that stuff, they still don't. Of if I get tendons or fat in the meat, it makes me gag and not want to touch meat again for months. Ew, meat just grosses me out. There's so many other particular things besides what I mentioned. But I'll be here all day if I say them all hehe enough rambling

That's how my dad and sisters are like!!! lol If they eat any red meat, they need it charred and overcooked - they do not want to see any pink or blood...they can't eat sushi/sashimi because it's raw and absolutely grosses them out especially my dad. Only my mother and I enjoy raw seafood.

 

[vhdos]

If we really want to get technical, I would consider a hypocrite to be someone who would tell others that eating meat is wrong and eat meat themselves.

There technically is no contradiction between thinking the killing of animals for food is wrong but to be ok with the killing of animals for other products and goods because you're opposed/supportive of those purposes for different reasons.

I don't like calling people hypocrites, because it just serves no purpose. Maybe it makes the person doing the finger-pointing and name-calling feel better about themselves, but it doesn't do anything other than create hostility.

This has been discussed a million times before, but no one can really truly avoid animal products 100%. They're found in everything, everywhere.

Would you call someone who drives a Prius a hypocrite? I'm sure they're still using electricity and power and putting off carbon somewhere in their lives.

Would you call someone who tries to buy things made in the US a hypocrite because they have some 'Made in China' products in their home?

Calling someone who is trying to make a difference a hypocrite doesn't solve anything. It's just reprehensible, IMO.

And I agree with you about the "labeling" associated with being called a hypocrite. You're exactly right, it solves nothing. However, the only reason it is being discussed (to this extent) is because the OP specifically asked if it was hypocritical to wear leather as a vegetarian. It's not even something that I would sit around and discuss - and as I said before, I don't really care what someone chooses to eat or wear.

 

[pickle]

That's how my dad and sisters are like!!! lol If they eat any red meat, they need it charred and overcooked - they do not want to see any pink or blood...they can't eat sushi/sashimi because it's raw and absolutely grosses them out especially my dad. Only my mother and I enjoy raw seafood.

That's how I am too, no sushi