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I mean, most dramatic situation possible, but if Member A is selling a fake bag on eBay, Member B could post it in the AT thread, and Member A could come in themselves and "authenticate" the bag. Not that this is something that happens, but the potential for abuse is there when any random poster can authenticate, and some posters may not know the difference.
While this hasn't happened exactly as you've described, I've seen it happen and the poster who makes a mistake has been called out. There have been instances of defensiveness but after an explanation of the damage a mistake can cause, they usually stop authenticating, at least on that particular thread.

Unfortunately, on other AT threads with different mods, non-experts or semi-experts continue to post, sometimes giving accurate information and sometimes giving misinformation. When called on their mistakes, the non-expert/semi-expert gets defensive, rude or otherwise inappropriate. What ultimately ends up happening is that the person who tried to correct the mistake gets slapped and the one responsible for making the mistake has no consequence.
 
I think one way would be to make the busy AT threads highly moderated. The mods are able to give reminders and remove posts, for example:

Every post that's not using the format given in post #1 (missing links, seller id etc) could be deleted with the reminder Rules of Authenticate This discussion not followed

Chat could also be removed with Chatter in reference threads


Perhaps this is needed for some AT right now? :wondering
 
While this hasn't happened exactly as you've described, I've seen it happen and the poster who makes a mistake has been called out. There have been instances of defensiveness but after an explanation of the damage a mistake can cause, they usually stop authenticating, at least on that particular thread.

Unfortunately, on other AT threads with different mods, non-experts or semi-experts continue to post, sometimes giving accurate information and sometimes giving misinformation. When called on their mistakes, the non-expert/semi-expert gets defensive, rude or otherwise inappropriate. What ultimately ends up happening is that the person who tried to correct the mistake gets slapped and the one responsible for making the mistake has no consequence.


YEP, I've seen it happen several times.
 
I think one way would be to make the busy AT threads highly moderated. The mods are able to give reminders and remove posts, for example:

Every post that's not using the format given in post #1 (missing links, seller id etc) could be deleted with the reminder Rules of Authenticate This discussion not followed

Chat could also be removed with Chatter in reference threads


Perhaps this is needed for some AT right now? :wondering
I hope not! While there's sometimes chat, it relates to authenticity and hasn't been a problem. AFAIK, there haven't ever been any complaints in all the years I've been doing it.
 
I agree with what others have said. To me it is the rudness and entitlement that put me off. I have authenticated Hermès for quite some time and we don`t authenticate for resellers or people whos only interest is to receive free advice.

I have been ill with the flu for almost two weeks now and even though I went above and beyond to authenticate and view the pictures on my PC, I did not receive even a thank you! What I received were two messages asking me if that was ok, wasn´t this thing off, am I sure etc.

Please use a paid service if my reply is not good enough. If I take the time to go to my PC even though I am ill with the flu, I reply to the messages etc the least I would expect is a thank you!!!
 
I think one way would be to make the busy AT threads highly moderated. The mods are able to give reminders and remove posts, for example:

Every post that's not using the format given in post #1 (missing links, seller id etc) could be deleted with the reminder Rules of Authenticate This discussion not followed

Chat could also be removed with Chatter in reference threads


Perhaps this is needed for some AT right now? :wondering

How about in LV? Our LV forum mods - you, ayla, Lee & Addy - aren't around much. I love Lee and Addy but weeks go by before they check in the ATLV. To have to PM a mod whenever there is an issue or rude post is just a GIANT PITA.

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YEP, I've seen it happen several times.

Oh, YES - it happened in LV, which is why I'm done for now. :smile1: (in reference to the "defender" being slapped and the "offender" getting off scott free).
 
How about in LV? Our LV forum mods - you, ayla, Lee & Addy - aren't around much. I love Lee and Addy but weeks go by before they check in the ATLV. To have to PM a mod whenever there is an issue or rude post is just a GIANT PITA.



Oh, YES - it happened in LV, which is why I'm done for now. :smile1: (in reference to the "defender" being slapped and the "offender" getting off scott free).

For the ATLV I don't think it would be a problem if it was decided to implement this, I'm always around. Do we want the ATLV to be this strict?
 
For the ATLV I don't think it would be a problem if it was decided to implement this, I'm always around. Do we want the ATLV to be this strict?

It's not necessarily about being "strict".

When I first joined, there weren't any rules for posting, ie: format, need a sales link, etc. But, someone added those rules for a reason and as volunteers, we need to enforce those rules. Hell, I even had someone PM me and ask repeatedly ' WHY DO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE HAVE A SALES LINK? WHY WHY WHY?"

Well some people just don't get it. They post over and over in the wrong format, bump themselves incessantly, and get rude with us. There is no one there to defend us and we clearly can't defend ourselves. There have been a couple extremely rude posters lately - and MY posts were removed as well for defending myself. Not cool. People come in there all the time and take advantage of the free service we offer. If they were removed, would that be such a bad thing? In the scope of things, would it be so bad? Why do we want people who add NOTHING to a discussion around?

I'm not saying we should start going around being rude to/banning people. Not at all. But honestly, I do think we need more of a backbone here in some areas - as along with society in general, manners in some cases have gone the wayside. If someone is repeatedly rude or has an attitude, they need to go.

It's about someone who has the knowledge of authenticating LV who checks in on a regular basis. Frankly I think it should be that way for ALL sub-forums. I think more mods need to be added,specifically in the AT subforums, and they should be able to tell people to adjust their attitude when needed and if not - BYE.
 
I agree it is not about being strict. Having a format and asking people to follow it brought consistency to the Hermes authentications. In particular, it made it easier for us to go back and check a seller's history and user names on various platforms (which can aid in determining authenticity), and it prevented us from having to review the same item that might have been asked about by a previous poster. So, a time saver and a way to keep track of sellers, albeit informally.

We also prefer if members contribute to threads other than authentication because we feel that as we offer free authentication service as part of our contribution to the forum, their posts in other areas are their contribution, too.

As for why we won't authenticate without a link to a live sale: there were a lot of people asking about private sales and for the most part, these were items they were selling. I think I can speak on behalf of other authenticators in Hermes, past and present, when I say we got tired of adding value to someone's business on an unpaid basis. And more importantly - if you are setting yourself up as a reseller, you should either know very well if what you are selling is authentic, or consider paid authentication a reasonable and valuable cost of doing business. Without a live link to an established selling platform, there was also the issue of people using stolen photos, and no sense of who the seller might actually be.

As for gratitude, the best way members can show that to me is by participating actively elsewhere on the forum; I don't really need to hear thanks. It would also be nice if people who are denied authentication, or encouraged to participate, didn't then unload on authenticators in ways that are, at best, uncalled for and, at worst, rude and threatening.
 
I agree it is not about being strict. Having a format and asking people to follow it brought consistency to the Hermes authentications. In particular, it made it easier for us to go back and check a seller's history and user names on various platforms (which can aid in determining authenticity), and it prevented us from having to review the same item that might have been asked about by a previous poster. So, a time saver and a way to keep track of sellers, albeit informally.

We also prefer if members contribute to threads other than authentication because we feel that as we offer free authentication service as part of our contribution to the forum, their posts in other areas are their contribution, too.

As for why we won't authenticate without a link to a live sale: there were a lot of people asking about private sales and for the most part, these were items they were selling. I think I can speak on behalf of other authenticators in Hermes, past and present, when I say we got tired of adding value to someone's business on an unpaid basis. And more importantly - if you are setting yourself up as a reseller, you should either know very well if what you are selling is authentic, or consider paid authentication a reasonable and valuable cost of doing business. Without a live link to an established selling platform, there was also the issue of people using stolen photos, and no sense of who the seller might actually be.

As for gratitude, the best way members can show that to me is by participating actively elsewhere on the forum; I don't really need to hear thanks. It would also be nice if people who are denied authentication, or encouraged to participate, didn't then unload on authenticators in ways that are, at best, uncalled for and, at worst, rude and threatening.

YES.

Whilst thanks and nice comments are very sweet - I would like to be "thanked" be seeing rude and obnoxious people GONE.

ETA: here is another example I think is total crap.

A potential buyer posted a bag that was listed be a member here. The buyer had purchased and was questioning the authenticity of the bag.

Another LV authenticator (who no longer authenticates) gave the bag a "looks good" with insufficient photos. I asked for the missing photos, and the seller (the member here) goes in to a blind panic, saying I was "giving the buyer the impression the bag was fake". Are you freaking KIDDING me? This member, I am told, has also had other shadiness here, which I won't post publicly.

God, I just can't deal with that kind of ignorance that goes without repercussion. Maybe it isn't that big of a deal for some, but in a sea of little things that wear away at a person, it becomes unbearable over time.
 
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Oh my, non-experts giving authentication opinions, such a scary thought!... don't experts need to have 10years experience under their belt on a specific field/item to be called an expert? at least, thats what i thought.

Luv TPF, I have gotten great info's here and I am thankful for a lot of times, those info's stopped me from purchasing fake items. I do not post a lot but reading other's got me educated on a lot of subjects on brands but in no possible way will armed me to give opinions let alone be an expert.

I hope experts will remain and somebody do something about those experts who left to come back. The idea of listing who the authenticators are, is a great idea. As a newbie, it's really nice to know who the real one's are to avoid expensive mistakes. (Just a thought from a newbie, do not mean to offend anybody) :smile1:

LOL you just got answered by one of the newb authenticators I'm talking about.

Good luck with that!

(no seriously, just repost and ask for a MOD or lshcat to review it).
 
I think a part of the issue with tpf maintaining a list of trusted authenticators - the criteria for a person to become a trusted authenticator and who has the authority to make a decision on approval and denial for getting on the list would be difficult. What do you guys think would be the criteria and who should decide?
 
I think a part of the issue with tpf maintaining a list of trusted authenticators - the criteria for a person to become a trusted authenticator and who has the authority to make a decision on approval and denial for getting on the list would be difficult. What do you guys think would be the criteria and who should decide?

I wish I knew a good solution and at one time I thought I did. I thought that long time posters were more knowledgeable and trusted their opinions on authentication more than someone with less than 50/100 posts. BUT, I was wrong and that was evident in the Chanel thread and LV thread several months ago. This person also went batcrap crazy when the experienced authenticator didn't agree with her. Someone new to the forum might be very educated about a particular brand and on the other hand someone with thousands of posts might not be.
 
That, and frankly I think each sub-forum should have a "trusted authenticator" list, as determined by the mods or admins.
<<<--- Newbie and in NO way an authenticator nor likely to ever be but self aware enough to accept that. lol


I know this is an authenticator discussion thread but in reading I had an idea that fits with this....

I believe it would be extremely helpful and appropriate to have a member group of authenticator. Admin could even create sub titles for each brand. That would allow forum members to immediately and accurately recognize who the trusted authenticators are...

Just as admins usually have a special colored font for their name/title, the same could be done for trusted athenticators..:smile1:

ETA: Upon further reading, it seems similar suggestions have been made.. I hope the admins will consider this change.
 
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