Shining Monkey

[Vlad]

I don't see a big deal or a conflict of interest. If I own a business that has thousands of products and I'm NOT the inventor of those products, I would want complaints/questions, etc. directed to the proper channels, namely the customer service department of the site in question. To that end, I don't see the problem in not disclosing ownership. As well, don't jump to the conclusion that she came to this site JUST to peddle Shining Monkey. She joined for the same reason anybody else did, to talk about handbags. She never brought it up, nor did anybody from "that other forum."

For example, If I own stock in Toyota, do you think that I want every idiot whose transmission went out on their Camrys calling me up to complain?

YES, I know the member in question and consider her a friend, but that doesn't mean that I'm blindly allegiant to anybody. I would argue this even if I didn't know the person and was just coming to this thread for the first time. The fact is that many members here are saying, "OH, thank goodness I didn't use it on my bag" when really the mods decision was made because of BUSINESS PRACTICES, not because of the product. They didn't agree with the fact that she didn't disclose herself; not with whether or not the product was good.

Use the product yourself and if you don't like it, fine. But, don't just go by what any person (mod or not) tells you.

As well, ask yourselves how many of you would find this so egregious, unscrupulous, and TERRIBLE if the mods weren't saying it was egregious, unscrupulous, and TERRIBLE.

John

Your friend didn't join PF for the sole purpose to push her product? I beg to differ. She's admitted to it and the proof lies within her communication on this board. No need for jumping to conclusions here.

Downplaying her involvement in Shining Monkey is also a waste of everyone's time. She did not disclose her affiliation with SM because some (let me quote) "retards" on another private forum messed up their bags with the product and asked for a refund. She didn't feel like dealing with possible retards on this forum - that is why she kept quiet. You Camry analogy doesn't hold here, she's far more than just a stockholder. She was business owner enough to promote her store, but not business owner enough to deal with customer support? Gimme a break.

Frankly, I am growing tired by the same Banned Boards Board nicknames rolling into this thread, providing their so-called unbiased opinions on this matter, while accusing our members of mindlessly following the admins' decision. We all get the point, you all want to support your friend, her actions and convince others that banning her and the product's site was the wrong thing to do. Guess what, the decision stands. She's a biz owner (which btw, she directly lied to me about), she chose a way of conducting her biz that we don't allow, she got banned and the product won't get anymore traffic from tPF. She's emailed me that she didn't need the traffic or the sales from tPF anyway, so why the fuzz?

Object with how we handle things on here? The Logout button is located in the top right corner of the navigation bar. Let me point you right to it:

Don't like the banning of your friend or our policies in general? Log and don't come back - nobody forces you to stay. I assume you do have a forum to fall back to, don't you?

Just like on every board, all members are subject to the rules and regulations that the owners define for the community. Do I need to remind you that you checked to abide by them before registering? Your friend agreed to abide by the rules as well, and she's conducted herself unproperly. Do you really feel the need to go on with this?

 

[LondonBrat]

HORRAAYYY!


YOU GO VLAD!!!!!

 

[Vlad]

i used Shinning Monkey on all my shoes and the didnt damage or change anything about them, i just put a light spray then do it again after it dries... emmajane, you can do a google for them online they're all over but easiest to buy directly from them

hope that helps

I grabbed this statement off this thread. How nice of Nicholas from Shining Monkey himself (beccak03) to show up and share his positive experience with the product. So kind to share his utterly unbiased opinion on the greatness of the product with our readers.

Good game pal, not gonna happen.

 

[Kathleen37]

How nice of Nicholas from Shining Monkey himself (beccak03) to show up and share his positive experience with the product. So kind to share his utterly unbiased opinion on the greatness of the product with our readers.

It would have been nice if "B" could have let me know, in the two pm's I got from "beccak03", giving me a telephone number in Holland so I could purchase from there, that "B" was actually from Shining Monkey.

I have no problem with anyone endorsing their own product, but like I said previously, if the product is so good, why not give yourself the shout out?

Thanks again, V.

K

 

[strawberryprincess]

I just thought I'd share a word and some definitions I found on the web. I think it's quite "a propos".

'to propagate (actively spread) a philosophy or point of view'.
tPF and it's members were being manipulated and I'm thankful the mods saw through it and ended it.

Oh Gee! it was about a spray protector for leather not a political ideology to create a new world order, I'm sure we are all adults with a brain here, give us SOME credit, we are not ALL the kind of people that sit on QVC all day buying stuff we don't need just because someone mentions it!!!

lets get some perspective here ladies!!

 

[Bag Fetish]

She didnt come here on her own to chat about handbags, she followed others because her friend was bring accused of selling a fake/ stealing pic's on ebay. That promted her and her friends to arrive her.

She joined for the same reason anybody else did, to talk about handbags. She never brought it up, nor did anybody from "that other forum." ]

 

[strawberryprincess]

I would advise you to take a basic course in business ethics since the concept is too much for you to grasp. Any course in ethics might be helpful for you.

Your post was rude and insulting, I merely pointed out that she is neither the owner or the customer relations manager of SM. If she had revealed her connection and had as a result been asked advice on how to apply the product and someone came running back with a problem, you most likely would have been the first one to shoot her down in flames for interfering with forum members.

 

[strawberryprincess]

and while we are on the subject of ethics, would you consider it ethical that a mod from this forum used someone elses ID to gain access to a private board to spy on its members and invade their personal space?

How would you feel if your boss installed a hidden camera in your home to spy on you when you got home from work to have a little whinge and gripe about him, that you forgot about once you have unwound?

now lets talk about ethics!

 

[strawberryprincess]

I'm sure you have all seen the thread raging on this forum about how someone who has a share in the company of a certain leather protector didn't for personal reasons reveal her affiliation, whether rightly or wrongly thats down to personal opinion, perhaps in hindsight she would have done things differently...who knows? the point is she is neither the owner or the customer relations department of said company and didn't want to give advice to people about applying said product as she has no control over how her advice is acted upon.

Anyway all that by the wayside, it has come to my attention that a lot of people here find it unethical behaviour, the mods have supported this view without revealing their own unethical behaviour in the process.

A mod from this forum has fraudulently gained access to a private board using someone else's ID and password to spy on its members and copy and paste their thoughts, feelings and quotes, in order to confirm the revenge motivated information provided by someone else.

Now to me this equates to your boss installing a hidden camera in your home to see what you say about him when you are feeling grouchy after work.

Its is clearly against the rules of the hosts of said forum, that's not to say it makes the other ethical issue more right or wrong, just that if we are going to point out who is rule-breaking then its not only the percieved 'trouble-makers' that are guilty.

To be honest I just think it's a complete non-issue and a whole lot of drama over nothing and I'm not even particularly bothered about being spied on in an underhand way. What does bother me is that just as the other member was accused of not revealing her business connections, a Mod here is overseeing a discussion on ethics without revealing their own unethical behaviour.

 

[bags2riches]

and while we are on the subject of ethics, would you consider it ethical that a mod from this forum used someone elses ID to gain access to a private board to spy on its members and invade their personal space?

If that is even true, it pleases me to know that our moderator would go through such lengths to look out for us. The outcome was good, our eyes were opened.

 

[strawberryprincess]

If that is even true, it pleases me to know that our moderator would go through such lengths to look out for us. The outcome was good, our eyes were opened.

so its ok to be unethical if its for YOUR benefit?, but you flame someone you claim is being unethical for HER benefit? how does that one work again in the world of ethics?

 

[alexandrainparis]

Wow. People amuse me every single day. You can think whatever you want about us- but like us or not, it is our forum and you are *our* guests. This isn't yours, so if you have better ideas and ways to do something, it is fine if you go do that.

This thread was started because we had someone who was promoting their product here and not disclosing that this was their company- there is something called business ethics... I am a huge fan of ethics.

I'm sorry, excuse me, I'm new here, nice to meet you. I don't really know what on here, and I have no idea what Shining Monkey is (except what I have read here ...but, I just have a little question...how did it come out that she was the owner? (I too am a big ethics fan...please excuse my intrusion into something I know NOTHING about)...I am just curious to know from another point of view, entirely...when we sign up on forums, anonymously, are we really that transparent? Or was there some other event which caused this suspicion to arise? Forgive me if I missed the response about that...

This is a lovley forum, and I applaud your efforts. I have hardly been able to disconnect=). Merci

 

[strawberryprincess]

"retards" on another private forum messed up their bags with the product and asked for a refund. She didn't feel like dealing with possible retards on this forum

Object with how we handle things on here? The Logout button is located in the top right corner of the navigation bar. Let me point you right to it:

You don't like what was said about you? that will teach you to read other peoples diaries!

I could point you to the logout button on my board if you didn't like what was allowed to be said but you chose to stay and read.

I don't like the way Tony Blair runs my country but I'll be damned if i'll leave because he's a buffoon, if he wants to kick me out then i'll go and live under Bush and make his life miserable instead!

 

[Vlad]

Fraudulent? I suggest you get your facts straight. I did not gain access to BBB through anyone's ID. Several of your (former) Banned Broads members approached me via Email to inform me about your friend's involvement with Shining Monkey. Additionally, I learned what goes on over there and I am thankful for those countless individuals who revealed the folks who abused our hospitality by using our board resources while letting out all the "grouchy" feelings about our board, members and mods in their own private space. Such a pretty way to put it, grouchy feelings. If that is what floats your boat, so be it. If you guys think that this is some sort of personal vendetta against the BBB, I suggest a reality check.

Nice try to make me look like the troublemaker here, strawberryprincess. I do believe that I acted in the best interest of this community. If you don't like it, please refer to the first post on this page. Detailed instructions on how to log out are provided.

All that still doesn't change anything about your friend conducting herself poorly on this forum. That's what the thread is about, do you recall? And if I broke your forum's rules by learning about what happens on the BBB, you are more than welcome to strip me off my membership there.

 

[*Freetoes*]

Nice try to make me look like the troublemaker here, strawberryprincess. I do believe that I acted in the best interest of this community. If you don't like it, please refer to the first post on this page. Detailed instructions on how to log out are provided.

All that still doesn't change anything about your friend conducting herself poorly on this forum. That's what the thread is about, do you recall?

BRAVO.