Qn on jade bangle

TPF may earn a commission from merchant affiliate
links, including eBay, Amazon, and others

Status
Not open for further replies.
I love jade bangles too, and it has become a total obsession. First one I bought in SF chinatown, a clear lavender one. I told the SA I only wanted A jade and she insisted it was. Turned out to be B jade, and I don't live nearby, so I can't return it. Since then I've done tons of research and found a few reputable online shops, as well as some almost criminal ones that claim their B jade is A. A GREAT online shop is JOJOjade from China. They are one of the biggest jade processing factories in China, and can actually find the rough material you are looking for and make you jewelry. they will refund 10 times the price if they have sold B/C jade, because they don't make that. They have a huge inventory! I bought 2 bangles from them and the quality is superb. Everything is certified by a reputable lab in China. Other good sites are Ultimate Jadeite and Jade Nature Shop (ebay). I have not purchased from the last two.

Some sites that I would not recommend are Jadeisus and Ying Yu jade. Jadeisus is a total scam. He advertises all grade A, and the expensive ones come with a certificate. But on the certificate, (which does not look like one from a reputable lab), The results of the tests clearly show the presence of polymer. The items are not dyed, but they HAVE gone through acid bath. The certificates say in conclusion that the bangles are not dyed. This man is English and he writes in broken English to seem like a non native speaker in order to seem more trustworthy about jade. Then he posts about his support for orphans. A reputable dealer does not need to manipulate heart strings to appear to be trustworthy.

Ying Yu jade has some grade A bangles with B and C mixed in. She doesn't know what is what, and they are way over priced. The only ones which look like A are the lowest qualities, and is selling them for prices which are much too high for the quality. I considered once buying one from her and asked whether I could have a week longer than the return period in order to have it tested, and she would not answer my question. Kept avoiding the subject. I think she is a descent lady trying to make a living, but perhaps is not good at knowing what she sells. She purchased some and other people purchased other bangles for her inventory. She knows that she does not know what she has. All that said, I would trust her nephrite selection. Nephrite is usually not messed with the way that jadeite is.

In general, I have found that after lots of looking at images that it has become quite easy to tell the difference between treated and non treated jade, especially B jade, which is the really nasty stuff. It has a different glow and is waxier in the light. It does look cloudy and without inner structure. In person, B jade is a lot lighter than A jade because of the removed silica. The polymer is not as dense. A shines like glass. Also, B jade can be cool to the touch and have a high chime when it is struck like A jade. With A jade though, the chime will have fine reverberations of sound that slowly disappear where as in B, the sound will disappear more quickly.

It is sad that such a beautiful and alive stone is put through the acid bath process, and that there is so much on the market. Worse is the deceit about it. Buying jade can be tricky, but if you do your homework first and get a sense about B and A jades, then I believe you can get quality products in person and online. Sometimes it takes buying a treated one first as a learning experience, the way I did. At least, that is what I tell myself!
 
I love jade bangles too, and it has become a total obsession. First one I bought in SF chinatown, a clear lavender one. I told the SA I only wanted A jade and she insisted it was. Turned out to be B jade, and I don't live nearby, so I can't return it. Since then I've done tons of research and found a few reputable online shops, as well as some almost criminal ones that claim their B jade is A. A GREAT online shop is JOJOjade from China. They are one of the biggest jade processing factories in China, and can actually find the rough material you are looking for and make you jewelry. they will refund 10 times the price if they have sold B/C jade, because they don't make that. They have a huge inventory! I bought 2 bangles from them and the quality is superb. Everything is certified by a reputable lab in China. Other good sites are Ultimate Jadeite and Jade Nature Shop (ebay). I have not purchased from the last two.

Some sites that I would not recommend are Jadeisus and Ying Yu jade. Jadeisus is a total scam. He advertises all grade A, and the expensive ones come with a certificate. But on the certificate, (which does not look like one from a reputable lab), The results of the tests clearly show the presence of polymer. The items are not dyed, but they HAVE gone through acid bath. The certificates say in conclusion that the bangles are not dyed. This man is English and he writes in broken English to seem like a non native speaker in order to seem more trustworthy about jade. Then he posts about his support for orphans. A reputable dealer does not need to manipulate heart strings to appear to be trustworthy.

Ying Yu jade has some grade A bangles with B and C mixed in. She doesn't know what is what, and they are way over priced. The only ones which look like A are the lowest qualities, and is selling them for prices which are much too high for the quality. I considered once buying one from her and asked whether I could have a week longer than the return period in order to have it tested, and she would not answer my question. Kept avoiding the subject. I think she is a descent lady trying to make a living, but perhaps is not good at knowing what she sells. She purchased some and other people purchased other bangles for her inventory. She knows that she does not know what she has. All that said, I would trust her nephrite selection. Nephrite is usually not messed with the way that jadeite is.

In general, I have found that after lots of looking at images that it has become quite easy to tell the difference between treated and non treated jade, especially B jade, which is the really nasty stuff. It has a different glow and is waxier in the light. It does look cloudy and without inner structure. In person, B jade is a lot lighter than A jade because of the removed silica. The polymer is not as dense. A shines like glass. Also, B jade can be cool to the touch and have a high chime when it is struck like A jade. With A jade though, the chime will have fine reverberations of sound that slowly disappear where as in B, the sound will disappear more quickly.

It is sad that such a beautiful and alive stone is put through the acid bath process, and that there is so much on the market. Worse is the deceit about it. Buying jade can be tricky, but if you do your homework first and get a sense about B and A jades, then I believe you can get quality products in person and online. Sometimes it takes buying a treated one first as a learning experience, the way I did. At least, that is what I tell myself!
Wow Clairejune, thank you so much for all this information. I am so impressed with all your knowledge. You have really helped me to get a better idea of jade. Thank you for sharing I will look at the websites that you have suggested. I was also wondering if you have heard of this website called Enijew.com. I think some of their jade pieces are really nice. Thanks again.
 
I love jade bangles too, and it has become a total obsession. First one I bought in SF chinatown, a clear lavender one. I told the SA I only wanted A jade and she insisted it was. Turned out to be B jade, and I don't live nearby, so I can't return it. Since then I've done tons of research and found a few reputable online shops, as well as some almost criminal ones that claim their B jade is A. A GREAT online shop is JOJOjade from China. They are one of the biggest jade processing factories in China, and can actually find the rough material you are looking for and make you jewelry. they will refund 10 times the price if they have sold B/C jade, because they don't make that. They have a huge inventory! I bought 2 bangles from them and the quality is superb. Everything is certified by a reputable lab in China. Other good sites are Ultimate Jadeite and Jade Nature Shop (ebay). I have not purchased from the last two.

Some sites that I would not recommend are Jadeisus and Ying Yu jade. Jadeisus is a total scam. He advertises all grade A, and the expensive ones come with a certificate. But on the certificate, (which does not look like one from a reputable lab), The results of the tests clearly show the presence of polymer. The items are not dyed, but they HAVE gone through acid bath. The certificates say in conclusion that the bangles are not dyed. This man is English and he writes in broken English to seem like a non native speaker in order to seem more trustworthy about jade. Then he posts about his support for orphans. A reputable dealer does not need to manipulate heart strings to appear to be trustworthy.

Ying Yu jade has some grade A bangles with B and C mixed in. She doesn't know what is what, and they are way over priced. The only ones which look like A are the lowest qualities, and is selling them for prices which are much too high for the quality. I considered once buying one from her and asked whether I could have a week longer than the return period in order to have it tested, and she would not answer my question. Kept avoiding the subject. I think she is a descent lady trying to make a living, but perhaps is not good at knowing what she sells. She purchased some and other people purchased other bangles for her inventory. She knows that she does not know what she has. All that said, I would trust her nephrite selection. Nephrite is usually not messed with the way that jadeite is.

In general, I have found that after lots of looking at images that it has become quite easy to tell the difference between treated and non treated jade, especially B jade, which is the really nasty stuff. It has a different glow and is waxier in the light. It does look cloudy and without inner structure. In person, B jade is a lot lighter than A jade because of the removed silica. The polymer is not as dense. A shines like glass. Also, B jade can be cool to the touch and have a high chime when it is struck like A jade. With A jade though, the chime will have fine reverberations of sound that slowly disappear where as in B, the sound will disappear more quickly.

It is sad that such a beautiful and alive stone is put through the acid bath process, and that there is so much on the market. Worse is the deceit about it. Buying jade can be tricky, but if you do your homework first and get a sense about B and A jades, then I believe you can get quality products in person and online. Sometimes it takes buying a treated one first as a learning experience, the way I did. At least, that is what I tell myself!
Clairejune, thanks for sharing your experience and tips with us jade lovers. I believe the best way to buy jade is still from a reputable place, since I noticed that even some online vendors confirm that they only sell grade A jade... I still have a 50% chance that I am getting a treated one....sigh
 
Thanks Silver, I'm so glad to help! I've looked through Enijew before and the stuff looks untreated. I never really considered them because they have a very limited selection of bangles that show only a fraction of what jade can look like. For the prices, you are buying "lower" quality jade. I think all jade is beautiful, and lower quality in this case means common colors with a more coarse grain. So, I don't mean that it won't withstand wear and tear as much as high quality, just that the colors, grain and clarity are of the most plentiful kind of jade. Again, I would seriously look at JOJOjade. In the new products category (around 5000 pieces) you will see the most amazing colors and pieces in all price ranges. Same with the bangles, just the best selection. The prices are non negotiable, which just confirms that they know the worth of what they are selling. You can do on line chatting or leave a message and they are good about getting back to you in a day or two. They will ask what qualities you want in your jade and can give you a second opinion on a piece. They helped me choose both of my bangles. Here is a picture of one of my bangles:
 

Attachments

  • lrc70-4.jpg
    lrc70-4.jpg
    35.1 KB · Views: 914
Yeah Petals, I agree. It would be a lot easier if there were stores around me where I could go in and feel the jade and inspect it in person. Plus, you get the fun of bargaining for a piece. I would recommend only going to very reputable stores with reputations to uphold though. When I bought my first B jade in China town, I thought I was going to a reputable jewelry store, but had not done any research. I should have at least asked some local people for a recommendation. I just chose the biggest looking store with the fanciest displays in an expensive location.
 
Yeah Petals, I agree. It would be a lot easier if there were stores around me where I could go in and feel the jade and inspect it in person. Plus, you get the fun of bargaining for a piece. I would recommend only going to very reputable stores with reputations to uphold though. When I bought my first B jade in China town, I thought I was going to a reputable jewelry store, but had not done any research. I should have at least asked some local people for a recommendation. I just chose the biggest looking store with the fanciest displays in an expensive location.

I have pay my dues when it comes to buying jades from some stores too.....Just wish there could be more honest sellers out there. Nowadays...if I am interested in any jade...I alwayz ask them if it's treated or not instead of asking if it is the real jade. Because even if it is treated...it is still jade.

I gotta say that I do see so many beautiful jades online...esp. in Ebay.... but I must resist..cuz I am just too lazy to return the piece of jade if it turns out to be a B ...:sweatdrop:
 
Thanks Silver, I'm so glad to help! I've looked through Enijew before and the stuff looks untreated. I never really considered them because they have a very limited selection of bangles that show only a fraction of what jade can look like. For the prices, you are buying "lower" quality jade. I think all jade is beautiful, and lower quality in this case means common colors with a more coarse grain. So, I don't mean that it won't withstand wear and tear as much as high quality, just that the colors, grain and clarity are of the most plentiful kind of jade. Again, I would seriously look at JOJOjade. In the new products category (around 5000 pieces) you will see the most amazing colors and pieces in all price ranges. Same with the bangles, just the best selection. The prices are non negotiable, which just confirms that they know the worth of what they are selling. You can do on line chatting or leave a message and they are good about getting back to you in a day or two. They will ask what qualities you want in your jade and can give you a second opinion on a piece. They helped me choose both of my bangles. Here is a picture of one of my bangles:
Wow, that is a beautiful jade. LOVE IT! I am glad that people on this site know their jades and are willing to share their knowledge. Makes it easier for us. Thank you so much for sharing. I did go on the Jojo website and saw sooooo many jades that I loved but can't afford. Sniff. I am going to save up and go crazy one day. Thanks again for all the tips.
 
Thank you Clairejune for your fantastic sharing! Its great to be on this thread with like-minded jade lovers!

Where I come from, the so-called reputable jewellers (they sell real diamonds and gold) sell mostly B, unfortunately. I think it's due to low demand for jade here, so very few people know their jades. And maybe margins for B grades are better? So i would definitely recommend to go to a reputable jade dealer, not a generic jeweller. Some of these jade shops actually sell both grades A& B, and are honest enough to tell you which is what, which I appreciate, because you know, they can look so similar! I once saw a mottled apple green one which had structures and everything but was a B. A sophisticated, well-made B.

And I thought I did my homework... we can never be very sure sometimes.

The high chime test is good but not always fool proof . I do agree with Clairejune on the reverberation bit... But one's hearing can be subjective too. And I realise the sound of a jade piece has to do with its type (old mine jade sounds so gooood!) size and shape too, assuming all are As.
 
Thank you Clairejune for your fantastic sharing! Its great to be on this thread with like-minded jade lovers!

Where I come from, the so-called reputable jewellers (they sell real diamonds and gold) sell mostly B, unfortunately. I think it's due to low demand for jade here, so very few people know their jades. And maybe margins for B grades are better? So i would definitely recommend to go to a reputable jade dealer, not a generic jeweller. Some of these jade shops actually sell both grades A& B, and are honest enough to tell you which is what, which I appreciate, because you know, they can look so similar! I once saw a mottled apple green one which had structures and everything but was a B. A sophisticated, well-made B.

And I thought I did my homework... we can never be very sure sometimes.

The high chime test is good but not always fool proof . I do agree with Clairejune on the reverberation bit... But one's hearing can be subjective too. And I realise the sound of a jade piece has to do with its type (old mine jade sounds so gooood!) size and shape too, assuming all are As.
Druzy, is there a way to tell if it is old mine jade?
 
Thanks Silver, I'm so glad to help! I've looked through Enijew before and the stuff looks untreated. I never really considered them because they have a very limited selection of bangles that show only a fraction of what jade can look like. For the prices, you are buying "lower" quality jade. I think all jade is beautiful, and lower quality in this case means common colors with a more coarse grain. So, I don't mean that it won't withstand wear and tear as much as high quality, just that the colors, grain and clarity are of the most plentiful kind of jade. Again, I would seriously look at JOJOjade. In the new products category (around 5000 pieces) you will see the most amazing colors and pieces in all price ranges. Same with the bangles, just the best selection. The prices are non negotiable, which just confirms that they know the worth of what they are selling. You can do on line chatting or leave a message and they are good about getting back to you in a day or two. They will ask what qualities you want in your jade and can give you a second opinion on a piece. They helped me choose both of my bangles. Here is a picture of one of my bangles:

This is beautiful! Thanks for the info, Clairejune!
 
I have pay my dues when it comes to buying jades from some stores too.....Just wish there could be more honest sellers out there. Nowadays...if I am interested in any jade...I alwayz ask them if it's treated or not instead of asking if it is the real jade. Because even if it is treated...it is still jade.

I gotta say that I do see so many beautiful jades online...esp. in Ebay.... but I must resist..cuz I am just too lazy to return the piece of jade if it turns out to be a B ...:sweatdrop:

Petals, "treated" to some SAs means *coloured*. I have had some tell me theirs was "not treated", just had had their "impurities removed". I give them the benefit of the doubt that maybe they don't know better, not that they were dishonest. So I have stopped asking altogether.

These days, those who sell Grade A pieces tend to have the certification done already (by local recognised gem lab), or are willing to have it sent in for a charge before you make the purchase.

I would think twice about foreign certs though... Not sure if trustworthy.
 
Junkempo, This bangle was quite expensive for me. I had to save for it and it was a 40th birthday early gift. It was $2660.00. I wanted something of high enough quality that I would be truly happy with it and not wish it were a little better. When it comes to shopping for jewelry, I have found that when I buy less expensive items that are not quite as good as what I hoped for, then I'm not really satisfied about it. I keep looking and thinking, "well, maybe I should have waited and gotten this or that." Then I buy more less expensive items and end up with lots of little things rather than just one nice thing. I am so pleased with it because now I enjoy looking around at other bangles and don't have that feeling. I bought another much less expensive one from JOJOjade and love it too knowing that I have got one that I love and one that is a good compliment to it, but is not as serious.

I agree about not asking SA whether jades have been treated. They just don't usually know enough. I watched a video about shopping for jadeite boulders in Burma at the annual government sale. The jewel trader who did the video showed groups of buyers eyeing the boulders by wetting them and shining a flashlight into the tiny sliced window that is cut from the boulders in order to get a rough idea as to what is inside. He said that understanding jade is takes years and years of experience and that it is an extremely complex. Understanding of what makes certain jades higher quality than others is not an easy thing to get. It is not like ruby or diamond with the 4 c's. He also says that there is great risk in buying these boulders. There is no way to be sure of what is inside. Buyers are essentially gambling. I think this really explains the reason why B jade and C as well are made. To make the best out of poorly chosen rough.

I also think that this complexity about jade is why it is not so popular in the west. Jade is not bling bling in your face and show off-y, but rather an increadibly subtle gem, and this does not mesh as easily into the general consciousness of the west, ie hollywood. I mean think about how to measure the RELATIONSHIP between all the qualities of jade and come up with a price; clarity, color, pattern, grain, flaws, old mine ect. This is why most SA will just fall short in knowledge. And the whole B jade thing is just insiduous and down right demoralizing. Especially discovering that you have been duped, or almost duped. It is so true that some B jades are amazingly well done. I had the owner of one of the sites I warned against tell me about a bangle that looked cloudy and grainy, (un enhanced looking) that it was A/B jade and that they do something like that in China but she wasn't sure. How could a jade merchant not know relevant treatments?!! I think it was B and she did not want to admit it. So frusterating.

Thankfully we have each other to learn from. Most of what I have learned about jade has come from other jade lovers online, and through looking at thousands of fotos.
 
Regarding trusting Ying Yu jade about their nephrite, I take that back. After more investigation, it seems that they sell serpentine and other stones which have been used in China for carving that are NOT nephrite. In china, all stones used for jewelry and carving are called jade. I think it is misleading to do that here in America. I almost bought one of her Old Chinese River Jade bangles, which are gorgeous, but are not nephrite. She is charging nephrite prices for other stones which are worth maybe a quarter of that. I tried to negotiate a price, and then asked if the bangle was nephrite, and she said it isn't. I am so disappointed because I loved it! I would seriously be cautious of this site!
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top