Prince Harry and Meghan Markle thread

[Vlad]

I kindly request that all members participating in the MM and Harry thread dial back the vile rhetoric.

I am not opposed to discussing public personas on TPF, including the constant torrent of news surrounding the couple from this thread. But I find it troubling when their looks are being nitpicked apart to a degree that is just not appropriate.

This thread has drawn criticism over the years, and I discussed it at great length with Megs and the mods. I am not looking to close it down, but the vitriol needs to be dialed back.

My personal feelings about hate threads aside, this ultra-negative vibe is something better suited for other forums, Reddit, or elsewhere. I am holding our community to higher standards.

Thanks for reading.

 

[marietouchet]

I guess they weren't able to have him cancelled? Not as powerful as they think they are....

Thinking of Clarkson and H.
There are really two Clarksons.
The one from Top Gear / Grand Tour is a bad boy prankster, rude jokes, always over/on the edge of behavior that is dangerous or unacceptable. Reminds me of the early H , in Las Vegas. or, the writer making awful jokes about matron. This Clarkson has run off at the mouths for eons.
There is a more nuanced Clarkson on his Farm show, still coloring outside the box but learning, VERY hard working and appreciative of his staff/people. I see none of those qualities in H. I like this Clarkson quite a bit.

 

[limom]

Well, apparently in the US that Britain (and therefore the British) are more racist and (still) colonialist has traction.

I watched a US influencer comment on the MUA Isamaya Ffrench's excursion to Mali, and could agree with her on many of the class/race tourism things the influencer was saying about exploitation of 'voluntourism' (often linked to White Savourism - a favourite of Harry - why do you think he likes it in Botswanan - he gets treated like a king there?) and the way the West patronises other cultures (at least among ourselves) I have no idea what they say in rural China or the DRot Congo say about say Scotland and the Scottish). I can promise you that the average history of Scotland for most people is not one of privilege, some Scotts still think Scotland is colonised.

What came as a surprise to me was that the influencer pointedly said not only is Isamaya white, but she's British!!! Like OMG (they are the worst) The way she shared this was 'we all know about the British, right?' smug way.

Emphasis on British. "...a white person (G-d, it's exhausting) a British white person..."

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I have a love-hate relationship with celebs virtue signalling myself, and it's true Malawi was colonised by the British (the Portuguese also had interests) late 19C - early 1960s, but the special venom with which British people have been hit with recently, especially by American commentators (ironically IMO considering race relations domestically and 'colonising' the globe with US corporations including media/SM) leads me to believe, H&M are tapping into something I was not aware of OR are responsible for 'our' singling-out as the worst.

I will repeat, within the UK we didn't need slaves here, we had enough working class people in-servce, crofters, tied-labourers, indebted-miners, casual labourers and wage-slaves. It's was only Harry's class that profited wholesale from colonialism in Britain. Don't think those guys spend their (inherited) wealth around.

Harry, the Gettys (oil) or any of the other millionaires and billionaires that and their money from dubious sources only have to give up their wealth and status and then I will believe what they're saying.

Hollywood was always an arm of the not so soft power of the USA.
So whatever you feel, might very well be an attempt to put the Brits were they belong, they are vassals.(in the mind of some) Nothing more, nothing less.

As far as slavery? What are you talking about?
Every one profited from the trade. That includes people who built the ships for example. And those who fed the tradesmen. And on and on.
So being defensive about any role in slavery is nonsensical. The only people who did not benefit were the slaves.
We as a collective needs to recognize the past and make amends and pay reparations.
How else could we honestly move on as a civilization?
It is the way.
Poor mods. My apologies. But the discussion needs to recognize both side of the argument or have no argument at all.

 

[Starflower2305]

Are you trying to send them a message in case they read here?

Yep, lol. H&M You are certainly not welcome here, at all.

 

[Starflower2305]

Thinking of Clarkson and H.
There are really two Clarksons.
The one from Top Gear / Grand Tour is a bad boy prankster, rude jokes, always over/on the edge of behavior that is dangerous or unacceptable. Reminds me of the early H , in Las Vegas. or, the writer making awful jokes about matron. This Clarkson has run off at the mouths for eons.
There is a more nuanced Clarkson on his Farm show, still coloring outside the box but learning, VERY hard working and appreciative of his staff/people. I see none of those qualities in H. I like this Clarkson quite a bit.

I do too, never liked him on Top Gear. Also, the farming community highly praise him for showing what farming in Britain is like. Okay, Clarkson has money to throw at the farm, he readily admitted it at the end of the last series when he found out how little profit he made. He was quite humble about it and it showed us how hard it can be financially for farmers.
Anyway, back OT, stay away Harkles.

 

[duna]

I think the atmosphere will be worse tbh.

Exactly....and they only have themselves to blame!

 

[csshopper]

TW was likely being honest here, for a change.



In her bolog post about the extravagant wedding of Prince William to Kate Middleton in 2011. she wrote: 'Little girls dream of being princesses. I, for one, was all about She-Ra, Princess of Power."

The envy started early.

It must be a bitter pill for her to have discovered She-Ra Princess of Power was the wrong role model. But it does explain her slash and burn attempts to destroy the RF.

edited to add: I can’t get it to link on my iPad, but the full article from which the quote was taken is on the DM and includes sections of M’s Tig column, ones she probably thought had been scrubbed, but now will be hit in the face they were not. Cue the left eyeball tear as she is outed, once again, as a jaw dropping LIAR, and H as a dense as a brick emasculation who accepted her BS that she knew nothing about his family.

This was written before H came into her life and she must have wet her pants in excitement when she bagged him and had the opportunity to put her dream of being a “rebel Princess” into action.

 

[xincinsin]

Good riddance I guess. That said, I wonder about the implication of a vassal refusing to swear allegiance to his monarch.

Best that they skip this coronation for whatever excuse. I'm betting on a mythcarriage once Zed finds a suitable description to plagiarise. Just imagine if they have to humiliate themselves in May and then yet another time when Wills ascends the throne Oh the meltdown....

 

[gracekelly]

I think the no apology and toxicity will be the reasons, however, I still think there is a good chance Harold might show up to "support the monarchy." He needs to support the monarchy or his titles are worthless. As far as Meghan going, who knows? If she loves attention as much as we think she does, she just might go.

 

[bag-mania]

I think the no apology and toxicity will be the reasons, however, I still think there is a good chance Harold might show up to "support the monarchy." He needs to support the monarchy or his titles are worthless. As far as Meghan going, who knows? If she loves attention as much as we think she does, she just might go.

I don’t know about that. He demanded an apology and he has received silence in response. For a man who is as stubborn as Harry I can’t see him sucking it up and going back. It would be too much like admitting his whining didn’t mean anything to his father. Accepting actual truth is harder than spouting his personal truth.

 

[sdkitty]

I don’t know about that. He demanded an apology and he has received silence in response. For a man who is as stubborn as Harry I can’t see him sucking it up and going back. It would be too much like admitting his whining didn’t mean anything to his father. Accepting actual truth is harder than spouting his personal truth.

I have to agree with @gracekelly that they need the connection to the royals. they're nothing without it. what are they? a couple of faux philanthropists/activists?

 

[Sol Ryan]

Thinking of Clarkson and H.
There are really two Clarksons.
The one from Top Gear / Grand Tour is a bad boy prankster, rude jokes, always over/on the edge of behavior that is dangerous or unacceptable. Reminds me of the early H , in Las Vegas. or, the writer making awful jokes about matron. This Clarkson has run off at the mouths for eons.
There is a more nuanced Clarkson on his Farm show, still coloring outside the box but learning, VERY hard working and appreciative of his staff/people. I see none of those qualities in H. I like this Clarkson quite a bit.

This is very true. I’ve been a Clarkson fan for years and a lot of that hinges on remembering that he’s playing a character. He was interviewing some political dude on Top Gear one time and said something to the effect of “I don’t believe what I write anymore than what you say” and I really think thats the truth of Clarkson. He’s just playing to an audience.

I think the rest of it is an act for a community that’s dedicated to him. If it causes him some grief, its grief that follows him to the bank….

 

[bag-mania]

I have to agree with @gracekelly that they need the connection to the royals. they're nothing without it. what are they? a couple of faux philanthropists/activists?

Philanthropist is the image they are going after. That’s why they are always trying to connect with more established foundations. They need a little of their shine to rub off on them.

 

[gracekelly]

I don’t know about that. He demanded an apology and he has received silence in response. For a man who is as stubborn as Harry I can’t see him sucking it up and going back. It would be too much like admitting his whining didn’t mean anything to his father. Accepting actual truth is harder than spouting his personal truth.

He will separate support for the monarchy as an institution from personal support from his father and family. If he keeps them separate then he appears to be less of a hypocrite. I believe he won’t have to swear an oath publicly as William will do so for all the nobles so he gets off the hook.

 

[sdkitty]

Philanthropist is the image they are going after. That’s why they are always trying to connect with more established foundations. They need a little of their shine to rub off on them.

I don't think that's going to get them the fame they so crave (esp the Wife)

 

[bag-mania]

I don't think that's going to get them the fame they so crave (esp the Wife)

It won’t but it could get them cash. She craves that as much as fame.