Prince Harry and Meghan Markle thread

[Vlad]

I kindly request that all members participating in the MM and Harry thread dial back the vile rhetoric.

I am not opposed to discussing public personas on TPF, including the constant torrent of news surrounding the couple from this thread. But I find it troubling when their looks are being nitpicked apart to a degree that is just not appropriate.

This thread has drawn criticism over the years, and I discussed it at great length with Megs and the mods. I am not looking to close it down, but the vitriol needs to be dialed back.

My personal feelings about hate threads aside, this ultra-negative vibe is something better suited for other forums, Reddit, or elsewhere. I am holding our community to higher standards.

Thanks for reading.

 

[marietouchet]

I always wondered that Harry's previous girlfriends were blondes and yet he ended up with a brunette. Usually a man sticks to a particular type.

And his icon - mom Diana - was a blonde

 

[xincinsin]

Sussex mouthpiece Hello featured Sussex puppet Misan Harriman rehashing his joy at helping to matchmake the morons and mooning over his doctored photos of the bump. The article also made sure to emphasize that it was sheer concidence that alleged baby #2 was announced on Valentine's Day, just like how Sparry's mum announced her bun #2 in the oven. Sheer concidence Right, because sweet "young" thing doesn't have a clue about Sparry and the BRF.

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's friend celebrates their baby announcement

Misan Harriman is a talented photographer

www.hellomagazine.com

 

[Lounorada]

I thought Harold was the target. No?

You're right, that's what I meant When she's so good at manipulating, the colour of her hair won't matter much to him.

 

[Chanbal]

Tom Bower on the Harkle's money making scheme charity.

Meghan Markle for teaming up with one of Hollywood's top VENTURE CAPITALISTS​

 

[Chanbal]

This was the photo that we are expected to believe started it all. I wouldn’t call it “heart attack beautiful” but obviously my tastes in beauty are very different from Harry’s.

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I believe TW wrote those lines. It's normal to try to justify big expenses (in TW's case, plastic surgery).

 

[QueenofWrapDress]

Indeed.

 

[Chanbal]

TW's lawyers seem to be working hard to get Samantha overruled.

 

[charlottawill]

 

[gracekelly]

Sussex mouthpiece Hello featured Sussex puppet Misan Harriman rehashing his joy at helping to matchmake the morons and mooning over his doctored photos of the bump. The article also made sure to emphasize that it was sheer concidence that alleged baby #2 was announced on Valentine's Day, just like how Sparry's mum announced her bun #2 in the oven. Sheer concidence Right, because sweet "young" thing doesn't have a clue about Sparry and the BRF.

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's friend celebrates their baby announcement

Misan Harriman is a talented photographer

www.hellomagazine.com

I particularly loved your description of Harriman lol!

 

[csshopper]

Talent-free muttonheads

South Park viewers become another demographic to expose “dumb” and “stupid“.
Given the thin skins and lack of humor in the Monteshitshow duo they must be ripping drapes and bashing pillows, I think the china and pottery inventory has long ago been depleted.

 

[OriginalBalenciaga]

@OriginalBalenciaga On the subject of unconscious bias, can you explain to me why the argument is only leveled against the BRF? I've genuinely been wondering for the longest time how defenders of the duo can reconcile the cause they're advocating for against the facts.

Isn't it fair to say that Harry is biased against the British press (though, bizarrely, not the US tabloid press who are far more invasive)?
Isn't Meghan biased against British culture and the institution she married into? She has made it clear she found it stuffy- calling the Chapel musty and talking of modernizing the monarchy are examples that readily come to mind. Not to mention her rejection of all protocol and tradition from refusing to wear tights/hats when the occasion called for it, to mocking the curtsey she did upon first meeting the Queen and comparing the experience to dinner theatre. She clearly had preconceived notions that coloured the way she perceived the people and the situations she was in.

Why is this discussion always one-sided? I'm all for the anti-racist movement and the conversation around unconscious bias because this is needed on a broader scale and we all learn from it, but it should apply to everyone in the equation, imo.

It doesn't make any sense for two proven liars and hypocrites, who are openly and consistently revealing their own biases (conscious or unconscious), to be made the poster children for this cause.

I have to state that I'm not looking to argue, since any discussion on the subject tends to get heated. I assure you, I really just want someone to explain this to me like I'm five, because I don't get it.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts! As you know I am definitely not an M & H defender. And I don't consider them poster children for any cause. I imagine their fans (or stans) don't see them the way we do. I have learned that what seems like obvious hypocrisy and lies to me may be excused or explained away by others. I don't get it either but sadly it's where we seem to be today.

I think that's what keeps me coming back to this thread...the desire to focus on truth and facts. There are so many aspects to make fun of or criticize M & H for but somehow unsubstantiated rumors and semi outlandish accusations are more fun I guess? In a celebrity thread the consequences are minor, in life I find the lack of even pretending to care about honesty and respect much more upsetting and dangerous.

I was actually thinking about unconscious bias when I read an article today about a recent study that found even wealthy Black women and babies are twice as likely to die as white mothers and their babies in the US. Research has already shown that Black mothers and babies have the worst childbirth outcomes. But this study demonstrates that the disparity impacts Black families no matter what their socioeconomic status. From the article "There is clear evidence that Black patients experience racism in health care settings. In childbirth, mothers are treated differently and given different access to interventions. Black infants are more likely to survive if their doctors are Black. The experience of the tennis star Serena Williams — she had a pulmonary embolism after giving birth, yet said health care professionals did not address it at first — drew attention to how not even the most famous and wealthy Black women escape this pattern."

Unconscious bias workshops are only as good as the trainers and their ability to create a space that allows participants to truly examine themselves and their actions. It is heartbreaking that we can't find a way to really listen to and learn from each other. Sorry for the depressing tone, yet another tragedy on a US school campus has put me in a despairing frame of mind tonight.

 

[bag-mania]

South Park viewers become another demographic to expose “dumb” and “stupid“.
Given the thin skins and lack of humor in the Monteshitshow duo they must be ripping drapes and bashing pillows, I think the china and pottery inventory has long ago been depleted.

I’ll be interested to see how they do it. From what I read, in the past the “prince and princess of Canada” characters were modeled after William and Kate. Will they use those existing characters and have them do what Harry and Meghan have done or will they create a separate little brother prince character?

 

[VickyB]

what up with her face/skin in this video? seems to be from Suits but is this from a SciFi gig we don’t know abt? she looks like an alien abt to transform back into its natural form.

Can’t wait to see the result. Even a nonstick baking pan should be greased.

where is that slop being made?

 

[VickyB]

We know the real reason why she bent her legs so deeply, we know she promises Paul Andrew a clear shot of their soles. She even had to make up for her affected posing in her (saving) H&M series for Nutfix that she thinks she's supposed kiss the floor when she curtseyed to the Queen in case someone clocked her MERCHING spectacle!


Here is her merched her Paul Andrew heels

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Those shoes (Pump it Ups) were NEW (as you can see from the soles), had only just come out and only available in the US at the time. FACT

Funeral 11 days after QEII's passing. 8 Sept was Thursday so you can knock off two weekends and no next day shipping Internationally. They are 1/3 more in price even without duties. Sent from Sax or Neman's etc they wouldn't have got to the UK even in 7-11 days (trust me on this) unless they brought over door to door physically, no duties applied.

All that cross-your-finger-fuss for plain black heels from a minor label, it doesn't add-up.

Why would anyone send for shoes from the other side of the world when London has thousands of shoe shops?

She was going to be parading around on one of the most televised days of anyone's life.

Could you be sure of your size in a shoe? Wouldn't you rather wear a favourite pair (as the Queen used to do) to be sure, to be comfortable, or have Monolo or Gina come round for a fitting if you had no black shoes. She always wears heels. Are you telling me she didn't have a single pair of black pumps at Frog Cot?

MegZ and HaZ sell their own family, even on their deathbeds, even from their fresh graves.

So interesting!!! Thanks!!!

 

[Bag peace]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts! As you know I am definitely not an M & H defender. And I don't consider them poster children for any cause. I imagine their fans (or stans) don't see them the way we do. I have learned that what seems like obvious hypocrisy and lies to me may be excused or explained away by others. I don't get it either but sadly it's where we seem to be today.

I think that's what keeps me coming back to this thread...the desire to focus on truth and facts. There are so many aspects to make fun of or criticize M & H for but somehow unsubstantiated rumors and semi outlandish accusations are more fun I guess? In a celebrity thread the consequences are minor, in life I find the lack of even pretending to care about honesty and respect much more upsetting and dangerous.

I was actually thinking about unconscious bias when I read an article today about a recent study that found even wealthy Black women and babies are twice as likely to die as white mothers and their babies in the US. Research has already shown that Black mothers and babies have the worst childbirth outcomes. But this study demonstrates that the disparity impacts Black families no matter what their socioeconomic status. From the article "There is clear evidence that Black patients experience racism in health care settings. In childbirth, mothers are treated differently and given different access to interventions. Black infants are more likely to survive if their doctors are Black. The experience of the tennis star Serena Williams — she had a pulmonary embolism after giving birth, yet said health care professionals did not address it at first — drew attention to how not even the most famous and wealthy Black women escape this pattern."

Unconscious bias workshops are only as good as the trainers and their ability to create a space that allows participants to truly examine themselves and their actions. It is heartbreaking that we can't find a way to really listen to and learn from each other. Sorry for the depressing tone, yet another tragedy on a US school campus has put me in a despairing frame of mind tonight.

Thank you so much for your thoughts. I haven't read the article you linked yet but, I absolutely will. The findings of that study are not surprising to me, since this has been repeatedly found to be true. It's just heartbreaking- as is the news about the school shooting.

What I've learned from the responses you, @papertiger and @jelliedfeels have given is just how shallow my understanding was. It's true that the less you know, the more you think you know. I have much to consider and reconsider.

I don't see H&M or their experiences as a microcosm of society, because even in their hardships, they are operating from a place of privilege that the rest of the world can only dream of. Just in having a platform to speak of their issues, they are ahead of the rest who have to endure discrimination and other forms of suffering in actual silence. That's why I am so put off by their sweeping claims, particularly when it comes to bias. It's also why I'm examining the issue now.
As someone who now faces discrimination on a scale you wouldn't believe (and that has nothing to do with my mixed race), the topic of prejudice means a lot to me. Their misuse of the subject and their playing with the language surrounding it to create a this narrative or that (the racism in Oprah has now been rebranded to something more palatable) hits a nerve. Public discourse around important issues matters, and the manipulation of it is immoral.

At any rate, I'm not adding much to the discussion because I'm driven by emotion and not by information. I can only thank you all again for taking the time to explain your thoughts in such depth. I have already learned a lot but, I need to return to each of your posts and apply some more critical thinking to this (both in the H&M narrative and also how this plays out in my own life).