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I kindly request that all members participating in the MM and Harry thread dial back the vile rhetoric.

I am not opposed to discussing public personas on TPF, including the constant torrent of news surrounding the couple from this thread. But I find it troubling when their looks are being nitpicked apart to a degree that is just not appropriate.

This thread has drawn criticism over the years, and I discussed it at great length with Megs and the mods. I am not looking to close it down, but the vitriol needs to be dialed back.

My personal feelings about hate threads aside, this ultra-negative vibe is something better suited for other forums, Reddit, or elsewhere. I am holding our community to higher standards.

Thanks for reading.
 
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papertiger said:
When she writes "as a nation we...."

Does she mean the Irish we ?(she's Irish, born in Clonakilty, County Cork, Ireland)

In which case -

Ireland doesn't have a monarchy (not since 1919 or '21 anyway, and depending on which history you prefer)

So she doesn't need to be anti-Royalist because she doesn't have a royal family to be anti of.

Or has she decided to become British?

In which case the BRF comes as a package (my dear).

Or is she culturally-appropriating? Inappropriately talking on behalf of people she is not part of.

Or is that the Royal 'We'? Perhaps she has delusions of grandeur and thinks she's another Queen, like the grandiose couple she likes so much, who live in a candy-floss castle in the cloud-coockoo land of Gimme-gimme-gimme.

Sick of these people, they're all NUTS - and I'm not even a staunch monarchist.
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When I looked her up I was sure she would be in her 20s, that’s how immature she sounded. Imagine my surprise when I found out she was 38!

Random people online presuming their strong opinions give them the authority to tell other people what they should believe is getting to be more common every day. Everyone should feel comfortable disregarding them and thinking for themselves.
 
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Chanbal said:
I wouldn't be surprised if the idea to sue TW didn't come from SM. She may have been approached by others to sue. I would guess that the Court's ruling in the UK after all the evidence provided by Jason K. left many disappointed.
The Harkles seem to have been given a free pass to lie, hopefully this lawsuit will help put a stop to that.
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The DMoS could never have won that case, the Judge letting-off M and lying about Finding Freedom on 2 counts (the privacy of middle-aged young mothers and H&M feeding Omid Scoobie-snacks) however, was within the timeline when the judiciary still thought HaZZard and MeAgain were still part of the BRF (not working against them)
 
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@OriginalBalenciaga On the subject of unconscious bias, can you explain to me why the argument is only leveled against the BRF? I've genuinely been wondering for the longest time how defenders of the duo can reconcile the cause they're advocating for against the facts.

Isn't it fair to say that Harry is biased against the British press (though, bizarrely, not the US tabloid press who are far more invasive)?
Isn't Meghan biased against British culture and the institution she married into? She has made it clear she found it stuffy- calling the Chapel musty and talking of modernizing the monarchy are examples that readily come to mind. Not to mention her rejection of all protocol and tradition from refusing to wear tights/hats when the occasion called for it, to mocking the curtsey she did upon first meeting the Queen and comparing the experience to dinner theatre. She clearly had preconceived notions that coloured the way she perceived the people and the situations she was in.

Why is this discussion always one-sided? I'm all for the anti-racist movement and the conversation around unconscious bias because this is needed on a broader scale and we all learn from it, but it should apply to everyone in the equation, imo.

It doesn't make any sense for two proven liars and hypocrites, who are openly and consistently revealing their own biases (conscious or unconscious), to be made the poster children for this cause.

I have to state that I'm not looking to argue, since any discussion on the subject tends to get heated. I assure you, I really just want someone to explain this to me like I'm five, because I don't get it. :hrmm:
 
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jblended said:
Why is this discussion always one-sided? I'm all for the anti-racist movement and the conversation around unconscious bias because this is needed on a broader scale and we all learn from it, but it should apply to everyone in the equation, imo.
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Thanks for putting this question @jblended It has been nagging me too and like you, I wish to understand and not argue. I do feel that wih these two, accountabilities are conveniently brushed under the carpet and the questioners are put on a defensive for simply not being on their sides. I find the double standard puzzling.
 
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jblended said:
@OriginalBalenciaga On the subject of unconscious bias, can you explain to me why the argument is only leveled against the BRF? I've genuinely been wondering for the longest time how defenders of the duo can reconcile the cause they're advocating for against the facts.

Isn't it fair to say that Harry is biased against the British press (though, bizarrely, not the US tabloid press who are far more invasive)?
Isn't Meghan biased against British culture and the institution she married into? She has made it clear she found it stuffy- calling the Chapel musty and talking of modernizing the monarchy are examples that readily come to mind. Not to mention her rejection of all protocol and tradition from refusing to wear tights/hats when the occasion called for it, to mocking the curtsey she did upon first meeting the Queen and comparing the experience to dinner theatre. She clearly had preconceived notions that coloured the way she perceived the people and the situations she was in.

Why is this discussion always one-sided? I'm all for the anti-racist movement and the conversation around unconscious bias because this is needed on a broader scale and we all learn from it, but it should apply to everyone in the equation, imo.

It doesn't make any sense for two proven liars and hypocrites, who are openly and consistently revealing their own biases (conscious or unconscious), to be made the poster children for this cause.

I have to state that I'm not looking to argue, since any discussion on the subject tends to get heated. I assure you, I really just want someone to explain this to me like I'm five, because I don't get it. :hrmm:
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If I could offer my own take on it,
I think part of the reason they are the poster children is simply because:-
1. they can *somehow* afford to pay for this constant media barrage and trail of dubious awards. There’s many better people but they can’t afford to invade the public conscious at the level these 2 do
2. To put it plainly, it’s in all the royals interest, H has walked back on ‘racist’ proper and it’s all just vague finger pointing which draws attention away from Andrew/ makes chaz look good and patient/ no awkward questions about money
3. From a British perspective, this is just part of the general invasion of American cultural norms into our discourse regardless of how irrelevant it is to our society.

But I think ultimately it comes down to buying their position and using the prestige of those terrible titles of theirs.

Not to get into a big spiel but I don’t actually believe in unconscious bias training I think it’s a grift with very little psychological basis to it and all it does is seeks to fudge responsibility and individual character.
 
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papertiger said:
The DMoS could never have won that case, the Judge letting-off M and lying about Finding Freedom on 2 counts (the privacy of middle-aged young mothers and H&M feeding Omid Scoobie-snacks) however, was within the timeline when the judiciary still thought HaZZard and MeAgain were still part of the BRF (not working against them)
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Sam may have a Daily Mail/DMoS deal to tell her story after the suit. Ditto her lawyer.

IMHO, this suit is being handled in an amateurish fashion by Sam's attorneys - ex, the list of 38 questions should have been limited to those relevant to the relations between Sam / Harkles, because as filed, the list is just going to be subject to appeal/motions by MM attorney.

A suit should be clean and to the point if you HOPE TO WIN, so Sam may lack the expensive counsel needed to outgun MM's lawyers
but, if the goal is to provide fodder for a book/interview, then the suit is firing on all cylinders

AND ... we shoulds not forget another possible goal - Sam just wants a bit of payback for how badly (allegedly) MM has treated her family
 
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bag-mania said:
Clearly Pharrell only cares about Meghan as a symbol and not as a flesh and blood individual.
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Meghan is also a woman (as I am) and just as a lot of M's transgressions seem so easily forgiven, Pharrell's 'Blurred Lines' (M's championing of the #Med Too???) 'Young Girl' and 'It Girl' hideously inappropriate cartoon video are just as dubious as Balenciaga's (ill advised) campaigns but hey it's (Moynat/Chanel/Moncler) Pharrell so that's alright then.

Hypocrisy is everywhere
 
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