Ok I am now not so sure this is Clemence. I have had a couple of people ponder over if this was truly Fjord in the past when I met them in person with the bag and I met someone this week who also swore it seemed more like Fjord after handling the bag. After meeting Hummingbird a the boutique once she mentioned how for a 40 in clemence it held its shape remarkably well. This week someone mentioned how heavy and thick the skin was and that it seemed more like Fjord. Any thoughts? Whatever it is I love it and want to consider it for my next one. Here are the original pics I posted but I can take more pics tonight if needed.