These are the 85's but the toe box is so narrow that I thought that I was sold the wrong pair by mistake.I got the So Kate but couldn't even stay on for 10 seconds. My feet turned purplish-bruised colour (cut off circulation??).
I found out I can only wear pigalle 100, or pigalle plato 120.
Interesting that you mentioned the pagalle because the SA steered me away from them, preferring the thinner heel.
I wore these awful shoes for less than two hours and now I am stuck with these crazy torturous shoes.
NEVER AGAIN
I suppose if one considers true cost per wear, these are the most expensive shoes I have ever purchased and my Hermes shoes (with the greater acquisition cost) are the best value.