Michael & Alicia Fassbender ~ A Loving Couple Thread

[twiddlebird]

LOLWUT. You know exactly who the Kardashians are, so they're not "nobodies," you just don't like them. I literally just discovered this chick about a week ago, whenever I signed up, so I don't know about devoting "so much time" to her. I come here every now and then when I'm on an MF kick, and came to check on Macbeth at Cannes after not checking for him for months. And almost every. single. post. was about this girl and not him, so I wanted to check her out. I realized I'd already seen several of her movies, but didn't find her that memorable - and I noticed literally everyone who said anything similar got shut down, some posts deleted even. So I signed up too, because that kind of "censorship" irks me. Then the same thing happened to me, lol. My very first post was deleted for no good reason, and you simply could not express even a mildly negative opinion on this girl (in the Michael Fassbender thread) without certain people going all shrill on you.

Like I said, when it starts to feel like you're being forced to choke on a certain flavor Kool-Aid - especially when coupled with the frankly offensive reasoning that it must be "jealousy" because you're such a "delusional fan girl" and you're pissed someone else "has your man" - that's an annoying attempt at policing and shaming others, which only makes me want to post more. I'm betting this line of thought fuels quite a few, because no one likes to be called delusional, to have your opinions invalidated, your intellect reduced, to be called "trash" and made out to seem borderline evil or somehow less than because you dared to gossip on a gossip board, because you dared to post about someone you dislike (the implication being that those who don't post negatively about people they dislike are somehow inherently more righteous and noble. Which, ugh. This is a gossip forum, not a Buddhist monastery). All if that tends to bring out the fight or flight response in people. Some will leave, some will push back. It actually has little to do with AV or MF, and more to do with human psychology. Lol.

Agree. I'm also tired of the "well, you're not sophisticated or European if you don't know who she is" for the last FOUR years (OMG that's FOREVER!) of her work, or God forbid you aren't also familiar with her Swedish acting. Why should I be? She was often a supporting actress, in very small movies. So what if critics may have said she did a good job. She's an actress, and there are a lot of good actresses in the world. She's just another one.

I'm also not going to be overly generous if she can't be comfortable with a journalist asking her questions about her boyfriend, or swatting them away with more grace. It might be personal, but it's not like they're asking her about her menstrual cycles. She's an actress. If she's halfway good, she can handle the improv without coming across as a pretentious Ice Queen. So far she hasn't proved she's that good of an actress.

Her W interview is a prime example of her arrogance, and all of her other interviews have only compounded that. Nothing has been blown out of proportion. It's only further evidence of her sense of entitlement. I do agree that all will ultimately come out in the wash.

 

[twiddlebird]

I think Assassin's Creed is going to be a Jonah Hex-level disaster. None of the Macbeth reviews convinced me Kurzel has a point of view or directorial vision.
I want to know what kind of deal Ubisoft offered him to do it, because money/fame is the only rational reason to agree to something that iffy.

Totally agree. I think the only thing that can save this movie is a really wonderful script. Kurzel might be good, but if the script isn't good, I don't think it could be saved even with good direction. I also think MF chose this because he's hoping for big celebrity and the consequent big payout.

 

[Kyoko Karenina]

So, you're saying even though you didn't know her until last week and don't care much about her you keep posting about her because someone pushed you too hard? That's also some kind of psychology. The kind where you get therapy for.
Who cares if someone calls your online moniker delusional or jealous. No one knows you here. If you are not these kind of things why getting so riled up about it?

And btw, the deletion of posts is done by moderators of this forum not by other users. So if you don't like this kind of "censorship" you should talk to the forum guys.

I'm guessing English is not your first language, or you are very young. Or both. That's ok.

What I am saying: I learned about her and posted, mainly to one specific poster, and that post was deleted at a time when several people complained about that very thing and that very poster, which irked me. Censorship always irks me, and instead of backing down as is intended, I always make sure I voice my opinion. That is "pushing back." I am just that kind of person, in all areas of life. It's annoying to people, I'm sure. Some posts have been actual curiosity, learning about her. Some posts have been about other people entirely. Some posts have been to engage conversation. Most posts are responses, many pushing against the seeming mob mentality that springs up so quickly here, as is happening right now. That is not cause for therapy, that is the internet. Sorry, try again.

I don't want to turn this into a debate about semantics - like, I don't really care if someone calls me delusional to the point of needing therapy (what even, lol). I do care when people use tactics like that, that kind of policing and shaming, telling people they need therapy because they post rather intelligent and thoughtful posts on an Internet forum that happen to disagree with the prevailing opinion, all to get people to fall into some kind of line. I wonder what that says about the people who feel the need to respond, to keep pushing their agenda when I've already said how and why I disagree, or what it says about the people who can't have anyone say anything bad about their favorite... that they need to be institutionalized? Lol.

It's weird too, because this seems to happen a lot in the MF thread compared to others. I was a little bit shocked at some of the other threads and how no one really feels the need to attack (however subtly) people who disagree.

 

[Morgane]

Just a question. If she's so boring to you why write so many posts both here and in Fassy's thread about her? You never posted before their relationship so SOMETHING about her must motivate you. Otherwise why devote so much of your time thinking and writing about someone who's "nobody" to you?

Not saying you shouldn't or don't have the right to. Post away! I'm just questioning why you want to. The Kardashians are nobodies to me. I don't even go in their thread, let alone post every day about them.

Evidently someone enjoys writing long essays in honour of nobodies and actors who have lost their sparkle. I will never waste my time for people I don't care about about.

It's fine if you think her looks and acting are overrated. I think the same of Tom Hardy and Scarlett Johannsen. But I don't doubt other's sincerity in their appreciation and it doesn't really bother me that much to see them all over the media.

I agree with most everyone that journalists don't seem too thrilled by her frosty demeanor. Right now it's an issue. We'll see if it's still one in a couple months when her major promo starts ramping up.

This.

 

[Kyoko Karenina]

You're missing a couple of other posts from Lainey where she does describe her as a beauty.



http://www.laineygossip.com/Alex-and-the-brunette(s)/20829

Now, is Lainey exaggerating for the sake of "good gossip"? Sure, that's a possibility. But people here didn't pull that quote out of their ***.

It's fine if you think her looks and acting are overrated. I think the same of Tom Hardy and Scarlett Johannsen. But I don't doubt other's sincerity in their appreciation and it doesn't really bother me that much to see them all over the media.

I agree with most everyone that journalists don't seem too thrilled by her frosty demeanor. Right now it's an issue. We'll see if it's still one in a couple months when her major promo starts ramping up.

Ah, my bad. She doesn't name her, so I think that's why I didn't find it (because I checked). What's the other post that I missed, since she's not named? And I wonder why Lainey doesn't go on about her like that anymore. None of her recent articles mentioning AV are anywhere near that gushing. Maybe Lainey's just a better writer now (because effusive is never good writing, IMO, even if she was talking about Adriana Lima, who actually is the most beautiful woman in the world. Lol).

 

[Kyoko Karenina]

Evidently someone enjoys writing long essays in honour of nobodies and actors who have lost their sparkle. I will never waste my time for people I don't care about about.

Yup. The intersection of media/communications, the internet and celebrity really interests me, so it's not a waste of my time. But you go ahead with your none too subtle low-key shade! I'm in sunny So Cal, so it shade doesn't bother me.

 

[BagBerry13]

I'm guessing English is not your first language, or you are very young. Or both. That's ok.

What I am saying: I learned about her and posted, mainly to one specific poster, and that post was deleted at a time when several people complained about that very thing and that very poster, which irked me. Censorship always irks me, and instead of backing down as is intended, I always make sure I voice my opinion. That is "pushing back." I am just that kind of person, in all areas of life. It's annoying to people, I'm sure. Some posts have been actual curiosity, learning about her. Some posts have been about other people entirely. Some posts have been to engage conversation. Most posts are responses, many pushing against the seeming mob mentality that springs up so quickly here, as is happening right now. That is not cause for therapy, that is the internet. Sorry, try again.

I don't want to turn this into a debate about semantics - like, I don't really care if someone calls me delusional to the point of needing therapy (what even, lol). I do care when people use tactics like that, that kind of policing and shaming, telling people they need therapy because they post rather intelligent and thoughtful posts on an Internet forum that happen to disagree with the prevailing opinion, all to get people to fall into some kind of line. I wonder what that says about the people who feel the need to respond, to keep pushing their agenda when I've already said how and why I disagree, or what it says about the people who can't have anyone say anything bad about their favorite... that they need to be institutionalized? Lol.

It's weird too, because this seems to happen a lot in the MF thread compared to others. I was a little bit shocked at some of the other threads and how no one really feels the need to attack (however subtly) people who disagree.

Condescending ... nice! You're making all the right impressions. Just like Alicia in her interviews. I can assure you I'm not young and I'm actually studying English so my British profs never had problems understanding me. But you're clearly not understanding me. I'm not talking about the one time you were talking to one specific poster in the Fassdong thread. I'm talking about the many posts you're doing here, in an actress' thread you hardly care about. This is not mob mentality. There are just more people in here who disagree with you than agree. And after being told to stick to this thread, people from the Fassdong thread still come over and continue bashing. What does that say about them?

I get it. You're rebel, a defender of free speech ... blah, blah, blah ... If you stick around in this forum you clearly need to get a sense of humour otherwise you'll be ending up fighting a lot of windmills.

 

[twiddlebird]

So, you're saying even though you didn't know her until last week and don't care much about her you keep posting about her because someone pushed you too hard? That's also some kind of psychology. The kind where you get therapy for.
Who cares if someone calls your online moniker delusional or jealous. No one knows you here. If you are not these kind of things why getting so riled up about it?

And btw, the deletion of posts is done by moderators of this forum not by other users. So if you don't like this kind of "censorship" you should talk to the forum guys.

I've seen posts deleted by the moderator that were far less condescending than this one. This looks like a potential violation of TOS.

BTW: isn't accusing someone of condescension a little hypocritical of you? You were the first one with this post.

 

[pearlyqueen]

Evidently someone enjoys writing long essays in honour of nobodies and actors who have lost their sparkle. I will never waste my time for people I don't care about about.


Lol, I know, I don't understand it either. If certain people are nobodies why spend your time checking their forums and writing extensively about them? It's a shame but the anti Alicia voices appear to be migrating to Alicias page from Michael's and writing much the same stuff they wrote there. It's like they can't just leave her alone. Nobody is asking them to like her but they don't have to keep repeating their low opinion of her either. As for Michael, the guy's just getting on with his life. He's got a girlfriend who clearly falls short of some people's standards. Does that mean he's changed? No why should it, why so much analysis of his motivation....he's a man the same as other men. Other posters have previously explained he is a European actor who is in it for the craft. He does HW films too but the bulk of his output is in indie films because that's where the creativity is greatest. HW films are good for a big payout which allows him to fund smaller projects. The fact that AC is being produced by him and his company DMC must be a major incentive for him. If he is going to be in a franchise it will be one he has some control over unlike the XMen films. And from what I've read of his plans for it, it is the concept of shared dna that he finds intriguing and worth exploring in a film.

 

[pearlyqueen]

Condescending ... nice! You're making all the right impressions. Just like Alicia in her interviews. I can assure you I'm not young and I'm actually studying English so my British profs never had problems understanding me. But you're clearly not understanding me. I'm not talking about the one time you were talking to one specific poster in the Fassdong thread. I'm talking about the many posts you're doing here, in an actress' thread you hardly care about. This is not mob mentality. There are just more people in here who disagree with you than agree. And after being told to stick to this thread, people from the Fassdong thread still come over and continue bashing. What does that say about them?

I get it. You're rebel, a defender of free speech ... blah, blah, blah ... If you stick around in this forum you clearly need to get a sense of humour otherwise you'll be ending up fighting a lot of windmills.

Well said, both in content and in your use of English . As proficient in English as Alicia herself

 

[Morgane]

Totally agree. I think the only thing that can save this movie is really wonderful script. Kurzel might be good, but if the script isn't good, I don't think it could be saved even with good direction. I also think MF chose this because he's hoping for big celebrity and the consequent big payout.

Agree about the script,but without his big payouts (X-Men,Prometheus,AC) he can't finance and film his low-budget films.

Agree. I'm also tired of the "well, you're not sophisticated or European if you don't know who she is" for the last FOUR years (OMG that's FOREVER!) of her work, or God forbid you aren't also familiar with her Swedish acting. Why should I be? She was often a supporting actress, in very small movies. So what if critics may have said she did a good job. She's an actress, and there are a lot of good actresses in the world. She's just another one.

Sorry,but are people obliging you to like her?Are people obliging you to be "familiar" with her Swedish films?No. Is someone saying here that she's the new Meryl Streep? No. It's a matter of fact that she has collected some critically acclaimed performences in the last years and that the industry has noticed her.That's the reason why she has not come out of nowhere. I wasn't even surprised to see her cast in TLBO. YOU think she's nothing special. Other think she's very good. Is that really a problem for you? I like actors that others dislike,I dislike actors that others like.I don't always like actors that I generally like. She has some very good opportunities in the next years,time will tell if she's destined for something bigger. I don't see any problem, honestly.

I'm guessing English is not your first language, or you are very young. Or both. That's ok.

What I am saying: I learned about her and posted, mainly to one specific poster, and that post was deleted at a time when several people complained about that very thing and that very poster, which irked me. Censorship always irks me, and instead of backing down as is intended, I always make sure I voice my opinion.

The only posts that I've seen being deleted here are posts containing libelous language and posts written specifically about other users. There're things called rules...
I don't like (the real) censorship too.

I'm in sunny So Cal, so it shade doesn't bother me.

Good for you!!

 

[Kyoko Karenina]

Condescending ... nice! You're making all the right impressions. Just like Alicia in her interviews. I can assure you I'm not young and I'm actually studying English so my British profs never had problems understanding me. But you're clearly not understanding me. I'm not talking about the one time you were talking to one specific poster in the Fassdong thread. I'm talking about the many posts you're doing here, in an actress' thread you hardly care about. This is not mob mentality. There are just more people in here who disagree with you than agree. And after being told to stick to this thread, people from the Fassdong thread still come over and continue bashing. What does that say about them?

I get it. You're rebel, a defender of free speech ... blah, blah, blah ... If you stick around in this forum you clearly need to get a sense of humour otherwise you'll be ending up fighting a lot of windmills.

Then I guess it's a good thing I'm not trying to be a little more known to the American movie-going public, and have already been to the Oscars!

As for being condescending: throwing stones, glass houses, etc. Although I wasn't actually condescending, I thought you just didn't fully grasp what I was saying because I can tell English is not your first language. And apparently I wasn't wrong, so...

As far as needing a sense of humor, were you joking about the therapy comment then? Because it didn't read that way, and regardless is a perfect example of what I was talking about, as those are the kinds of little comments people make to disparage and discourage people from saying things they don't like. But okay.

 

[pearlyqueen]

Yup. The intersection of media/communications, the internet and celebrity really interests me, so it's not a waste of my time. But you go ahead with your none too subtle low-key shade! I'm in sunny So Cal, so it shade doesn't bother me.

Yeah, I think by now everyone on this board has got your drift. You find Alicia over hyped and underwhelming and see no problem in the character assassinations of her. There's no need to keep repeating it, are there no other boards where you can explore your interest in the intersection of media/communications, the internet and celebrity? I must admit that as a European I find your perspective overly cynical; the discussion here concerns two European actors rather than American and you are viewing them from an American vantage point without seemingly fully appreciating the differencees in European and American culture and values.

 

[FreeSpirit71]

I'll throw in an Antipodean view for good measure..lol.

Alicia is known here. She's been building solid performances in smaller (and a few larger) European films for a few years.

The measure of success and recognition is not only by American standards nor by how many blockbusters an actor or actress has to their credit.

Her relationship with Fassy nor her interviews warrant the level of nuclear fission on this thread IMO.

 

[Kyoko Karenina]

The only posts that I've seen being deleted here are posts containing libelous language and posts specifically about other users. There're things called rules...
I don't like (the real) censorship too.

Well, I've seen one post other than mine that was deleted that didn't break the rules. I know because I read the rules before I posted, after I saw that deleted comment. In fact, a copy of the rules was my very second post. So I'm quite familiar with the rules, thanks. And there is no rule about libelous language (that phrase is never specifically used, probably because this is a gossip forum so it would be hard to prove libel), and the only rule pertaining to other posters is "don't be mean". Clearly, "meanness" subjective. But again, okay.