Michael & Alicia Fassbender ~ A Loving Couple Thread

[mollie12]

Another NY Times profile, this time promoting Testament of Youth:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/31/m...ed-denmarks-queen-is-screen-royalty.html?_r=0

I think this interview took place a few weeks ago when she was in NYC doing most of her Ex Machina promo.

 

[Kyoko Karenina]

Another NY Times profile, this time promoting Testament of Youth:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/31/m...ed-denmarks-queen-is-screen-royalty.html?_r=0

I think this interview took place a few weeks ago when she was in NYC doing most of her Ex Machina promo.

It's interesting how journalists can't seem to help throwing in some shade towards her, even here despite all the fulsome praise in the beginning. And three whole years? In Hollywood, that IS an overnight success. I think Ms. Vikander needs some media training.

 

[pennylane93]

Another NY Times profile, this time promoting Testament of Youth:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/31/m...ed-denmarks-queen-is-screen-royalty.html?_r=0

I think this interview took place a few weeks ago when she was in NYC doing most of her Ex Machina promo.

"a roomful of diners collectively paused, forks aloft, and gaped." that's not the first time i read something like that. .. Lainey said that when she saw her in the flesh, she was really really beautiful (not magazine beautiful but just a real beauty) and every men in the venue was eyeballing her. I'm kinda curious to see her in real life

 

[SusanBeach]

You sure are vocal for being a casual "lurker" online Your rant sounds like you are way too invested in their relationship and what others think.

P.S. - No amount of anonymous posting online will change people's opinion. I'm no longer a hard core fan of his because I've seen him change over the years for the worst. Hopefully he will recover and not become Colin Farrell or Gerard Butler 2.0

I´m not really sure what you mean with your comments, I´m not invested in their relationsship like you suggested. My point was that a lot of energy goes to throw negativity towards Alicia and many post/comment are far away from facts and have none nuances.
I don´t understand why so many bother to posts comments after comments about her when they obviously aren´t in "her corner".

I´m just curious: In your opinion, how have Michael changed over years?
( Don´t misunderstand me, really interested of your thoughts)

 

[pearlyqueen]

I´m not really sure what you mean with your comments, I´m not invested in their relationsship like you suggested. My point was that a lot of energy goes to throw negativity towards Alicia and many post/comment are far away from facts and have none nuances.
I don´t understand why so many bother to posts comments after comments about her when they obviously aren´t in "her corner".

I´m just curious: In your opinion, how have Michael changed over years?
( Don´t misunderstand me, really interested of your thoughts)

I know exactly where you're coming from. Truth is the only negative stuff being written about Alicia comes from Michael's fans. For some reason they are unwilling to accept he now has a serious girlfriend. Even some who do write guff like it wont last, he changes gfs every five minutes, hes not ready for a serious relationship - this coming from people who have never met him, presumptious or what?! They have a certain impression of him, think they know him and what he wants and when he doesn't stick to their script they claim he's changed. There is zero evidence he has changed at all. What has changed is that he's now demonstrating that he is part of a couple, something he hasn't done for many years. Its a long time since he took a gf to one of his premieres, was willing to pose with her for photos etc. And we know he twice went to NY just to spend the weekend with her whilst filming Jobs. He went to Cannes early to support her and missed Tribeca choosing instead to go home to London to be with her. All this indicates he wants to be with her as much as possible. You don't have to be Einstein to work that out. However some of Michael's fans are unwilling to accept the reality so they try to create other reasons why he is behaving this way, the most used one being he's involved in a pr stunt and has changed. Michael hasn't changed, he's still the same man with the same personality, motivation etc. He doesn't chase celebrity and lives the same life style he always has done. I was aware of Alicia before she became Michael's gf, but I'm European and most of her work has been here. I don't know a great deal about her but she seems very accomplished, intelligent and is very pretty. I can understand why Michael fell for her and wish them well. There is no excuse for people writing such nasty lies about her or constantly criticisizing her just because she's got the man they would like to have. But people who write in her defence are accused of either being naive, being overinvested in their relationship or even being the pr for one of them. Unfortunately the negative voices always shout the loudest, hopefully they'll get over themselves soon!

 

[BadAzzBish]

I´m not really sure what you mean with your comments, I´m not invested in their relationsship like you suggested. My point was that a lot of energy goes to throw negativity towards Alicia and many post/comment are far away from facts and have none nuances.
I don´t understand why so many bother to posts comments after comments about her when they obviously aren´t in "her corner".

I´m just curious: In your opinion, how have Michael changed over years?
( Don´t misunderstand me, really interested of your thoughts)

Not going to go into much detail because I don't want to write a long rambling post but I've seen his behavior towards others in a personal and professional sense change for the worst over the last few years particularly during the awards season for 12 Years A Slave. Overall his ambitions cause him to lead an imbalanced life. And for AV her interviews are off-putting to me (even a few journalist have publicly noted this). But believe what you want just know that others will do the same.

 

[Kyoko Karenina]

"a roomful of diners collectively paused, forks aloft, and gaped." that's not the first time i read something like that. .. Lainey said that when she saw her in the flesh, she was really really beautiful (not magazine beautiful but just a real beauty) and every men in the venue was eyeballing her. I'm kinda curious to see her in real life

Let's not get crazy. Here's what Lainey actually said - still complimentary, but not near as effusive:

There’s another video profile I found too. Lovely face, right? And really bubbly and endearing in person. I’m telling you, she had the room that night. She had the whole room. Whether or not she had Alex though...

http://www.laineygossip.com/Kate-Bo...-Alicia-Vikander-29jul11/20837?celebrityId=81

Lovely face, bubbly and endearing in person does not equal "really really beautiful, just a real beauty." And having the room for a night does not equal "every man in the venue eyeballing her". Lol.

No shade intended, but I think this is one of the reasons why people are having such a strong negative reaction to her - someone says she's cute, it turns into she's the most beautiful woman ever. That kind of reaching (which truthfully isn't her fault, unless it's her PR team doing it; I think it's mostly overzealous fans with a touch of PR) coupled with her seeming entitled arrogance (and I have to admit, the more I read, the more it seems like that is what it is, which is her fault. That Lainey quote was from 2011 - it seems being told she's the next big thing for the last three years has gone to her head. I shudder to think what being an actual success or getting an Oscar nom would do) - all of that is off-putting to a lot of people.

 

[SusanBeach]

Not going to go into much detail because I don't want to write a long rambling post but I've seen his behavior towards others in a personal and professional sense change for the worst over the last few years particularly during the awards season for 12 Years A Slave. Overall his ambitions cause him to lead an imbalanced life. And for AV her interviews are off-putting to me (even a few journalist have publicly noted this). But believe what you want just know that others will do the same.

Ok, thank you for your answer There is a lot of actors "out there" and Michael is one I haven´t followed so close. I think when you are in the bubble of HW, it´s easy to fall in to a world that not is the best for a balanced life. IMO the actors and actresses that choose to live in other parts of the world are "winning".

About Alicias interviews: we can agree to disagree Someone have posted (sorry, I don´t remember who) about the difference when you read a interview or see a video of her. She comes across much better in videos, IMO!

How you intrepret things, in different ways are two side of a coin I think

 

[pearlyqueen]

Not going to go into much detail because I don't want to write a long rambling post but I've seen his behavior towards others in a personal and professional sense change for the worst over the last few years particularly during the awards season for 12 Years A Slave. Overall his ambitions cause him to lead an imbalanced life. And for AV her interviews are off-putting to me (even a few journalist have publicly noted this). But believe what you want just know that others will do the same.

Well you don't need to go into a rambling post but what do you mean you've "seen his behaviour towards others in a personal and professional sense change for the worst over the last few years particularly during the awards season for 12 Years A Slave"? That's a loaded statement that really needs to be qualified. Also your view that "his ambitions cause him to lead an imbalanced life". How is his life imbalanced and how could you possibly know anyway? It is people who don't know him making these kind of comments that paint an inaccurate picture of him.

 

[Kyoko Karenina]

Michael hasn't changed, he's still the same man with the same personality, motivation etc. He doesn't chase celebrity and lives the same life style he always has done.

It is 100% impossible to be a famous actor and not be one who chases celebrity. The field is too competitive, there's too much rejection, there's too much work you have to put in and crap you have to put up with - not just the acting work, but the pr work with its incessant focus on image, the meetings on meetings on meetings, the sycophantic butt kissing and pretending you like the grossest of people because you have to, all the other sordid crap people like you never believe... no one willingly puts themselves through all of that and gets to where MF is if celebrity is not part of the goal. You do neither yourself nor MF any favors by unreasonably insisting otherwise.

There is no excuse for people writing such nasty lies about her or constantly criticisizing her just because she's got the man they would like to have... Unfortunately the negative voices always shout the loudest, hopefully they'll get over themselves soon!

Lol. You're pretty loud there yourself, pearlyqueen, with all your assertions to make it seem as, if you're not MF himself, you're at least someone who knows him well. You're not, we know. But then, everyone contrary to you is just full of "inexcusable nasty lies" (and how do you know what is a lie vs truth vs gossip?) because "she got the man." Oh, dear. The irony.

Also, I've seen people cry "sexism!" at critiques of AV, but this proclaiming in bold that women can only dislike her because she got the man and not because, as many have stated, she comes off as an overrated, entitled ice queen of bore (or whatever their reason) - basically saying women are incapable of judging without it being all about a man, because obviously if it wasn't about some dude they'd agree with your opinion that she is the greatest thing since double rainbow unicorn sparkles - that's sexism of a more insidious kind, and it's an argument you seem to use a lot. Maybe people would be more likely to take you at face value and not cry out PR Troll! or bristle towards you if you stopped denigrating and denying the validity of their opinions. Sometimes it's low-key about the man, and sometimes some chicks are just unlikeable. Just because you find them likeable doesn't mean others will agree. You can agree to disagree. It only appears to be about MF because, well... nobody knew or cared who she was before they began dating . So much irony.

 

[pearlyqueen]

Not going to go into much detail because I don't want to write a long rambling post but I've seen his behavior towards others in a personal and professional sense change for the worst over the last few years particularly during the awards season for 12 Years A Slave. Overall his ambitions cause him to lead an imbalanced life. And for AV her interviews are off-putting to me (even a few journalist have publicly noted this). But believe what you want just know that others will do the same.

It is 100% impossible to be a famous actor and not be one who chases celebrity. The field is too competitive, there's too much rejection, there's too much work you have to put in and crap you have to put up with - not just the acting work, but the pr work with its incessant focus on image, the meetings on meetings on meetings, the sycophantic butt kissing and pretending you like the grossest of people because you have to, all the other sordid crap people like you never believe... no one willingly puts themselves through all of that and gets to where MF is if celebrity is not part of the goal. You do neither yourself nor MF any favors by unreasonably insisting otherwise.



Lol. You're pretty loud there yourself, pearlyqueen, with all your assertions to make it seem as, if you're not MF himself, you're at least someone who knows him well. You're not, we know. But then, everyone contrary to you is just full of "inexcusable nasty lies" (and how do you know what is a lie vs truth vs gossip?) because "she got the man." Oh, dear. The irony.

Also, I've seen people cry "sexism!" at critiques of AV, but this proclaiming in bold that women can only dislike her because she got the man and not because, as many have stated, she comes off as an overrated, entitled ice queen of bore (or whatever their reason) - basically saying women are incapable of judging without it being all about a man, because obviously if it wasn't about some dude they'd agree with your opinion that she is the greatest thing since double rainbow unicorn sparkles - that's sexism of a more insidious kind, and it's an argument you seem to use a lot. Maybe people would be more likely to take you at face value and not cry out PR Troll! or bristle towards you if you stopped denigrating and denying the validity of their opinions. Sometimes it's low-key about the man, and sometimes some chicks are just unlikeable. Just because you find them likeable doesn't mean others will agree. You can agree to disagree. It only appears to be about MF because, well... nobody knew or cared who she was before they began dating . So much irony.

Look, people don't have to like her, that's not the issue. There are lies being spread about her on the internet - she's a nobody, she's using Michael for a come up, shes a Weinstein girl who gets roles and fashion contracts by speading her legs for the likes of Weinstein etc. These aren't opinions - they are downright lies and if they were published in the mass media would lead to libel charges. So you tell me, what is motivating these women to hate her so much to write this trash if it isn't jealousy???

 

[Kyoko Karenina]

Look, people don't have to like her, that's not the issue. There are lies being spread about her on the internet - she's a nobody, she's using Michael for a come up, shes a Weinstein girl who gets roles and fashion contracts by speading her legs for the likes of Weinstein etc. These aren't opinions - they are downright lies and if they were published in the mass media would lead to libel charges. So you tell me, what is motivating these women to hate her so much to write this trash if it isn't jealousy???

How do you know what are downright lies though? She is a nobody, to me she was a nobody until a week ago, weeks even after I saw Ex Machina. Unless you know for a fact everything is all lies and can prove it as fact to everyone ever, it remains other people's opinion, speculation and gossip, which is what this board and others are for - and this is gossip that's been said about many well before this chick! Once again, AV is not as special a snowflake as you want her to be.

I both side-eye and feel sorry for you that you think a woman's only motivation to "hate" (which is so OTT - maybe I could take you seriously with less hyperbole) can be "jealousy" or "a man," that women aren't allowed to or capable of having complex motivations and thoughts and opinions arising from complex needs and desires - or, in this case not so complex.

To me, it's simple: she is boring and not as compelling as made out to be, and certain things as presented I personally find questionable. I don't "hate" her and even said she was perfectly cast in Ex Machina (while admitting I found the voiceless Kyoko more compelling, which is part of my problem with AV). But when people react to any negative opinion with insulting and OTT hyperbole that makes it feel like one is trying to force AV Unicorn Sparkle-flavored Kool Aid down any naysayer's throat... honestly, that is the kind of thing that leads to "hate." But jealousy will never be part of it. In fact, I rarely hate people I'm jealous of, but tend to nearly worship them - kind of like what you're doing here, lol. But everyone's different. Women aren't a monolith with only one way of being.

 

[Ms Kiah]

Preach Kyoko Karenina!






Not that it will do any good for some. It's refreshing that there are posters willing to voice an opinion. So many long time members have been run off.

I saw Ex Machina and liked it but her hype doesn't really measure up to her talent. Which is not unusual for the Hollywood pr machine anyway.

 

[BagBerry13]

 

[pearlyqueen]

How do you know what are downright lies though? She is a nobody, to me she was a nobody until a week ago, weeks even after I saw Ex Machina. Unless you know for a fact everything is all lies and can prove it as fact to everyone ever, it remains other people's opinion, speculation and gossip, which is what this board and others are for - and this is gossip that's been said about many well before this chick! Once again, AV is not as special a snowflake as you want her to be.

I both side-eye and feel sorry for you that you think a woman's only motivation to "hate" (which is so OTT - maybe I could take you seriously with less hyperbole) can be "jealousy" or "a man," that women aren't allowed to or capable of having complex motivations and thoughts and opinions arising from complex needs and desires - or, in this case not so complex.

To me, it's simple: she is boring and not as compelling as made out to be, and certain things as presented I personally find questionable. I don't "hate" her and even said she was perfectly cast in Ex Machina (while admitting I found the voiceless Kyoko more compelling, which is part of my problem with AV). But when people react to any negative opinion with insulting and OTT hyperbole that makes it feel like one is trying to force AV Unicorn Sparkle-flavored Kool Aid down any naysayer's throat... honestly, that is the kind of thing that leads to "hate." But jealousy will never be part of it. In fact, I rarely hate people I'm jealous of, but tend to nearly worship them - kind of like what you're doing here, lol. But everyone's different. Women aren't a monolith with only one way of being.

Fine you think she's boring and not compelling, you're entitled to that opinion. A "nobody" - quite an impressive resume for a nobody. Just because she wasn't known in America until recently doesn't mean she's unknown in the rest of the world. But the roles and contracts gained by sexual favours?? Where I live that is hateful and malicous and in the UK at least the burden of proof is on those making the allegations, not the other way round. I certainly don't worship her but can see no justification for the internet assassinations on her. To my knowkedge these have only come about since she's been identified as Michael's girlfriend and originate almost exclusively from his fans. So why is that? You say jealousy is not behind it.......