Michael & Alicia Fassbender ~ A Loving Couple Thread

[BagBerry13]

It is 100% impossible to be a famous actor and not be one who chases celebrity. The field is too competitive, there's too much rejection, there's too much work you have to put in and crap you have to put up with - not just the acting work, but the pr work with its incessant focus on image, the meetings on meetings on meetings, the sycophantic butt kissing and pretending you like the grossest of people because you have to, all the other sordid crap people like you never believe... no one willingly puts themselves through all of that and gets to where MF is if celebrity is not part of the goal. You do neither yourself nor MF any favors by unreasonably insisting otherwise.

Sorry but I have to partly disagree there. I get what you're saying but what you're saying is very much how it works in the US. PR is big there, image is everything and lots of things happen on the casting couch but that doesn't mean it's like this everywhere in the world. Most European actors are really about the craft. I know actors who really just wanna act. The fact that they, in your eyes, chase celebrity is for them a mean to meet the end of being able to choose their roles. You wouldn't believe how much work we had to put in to convince a German actor we worked with to get himself a publicist. The guy had so many bad experience with them, he was burned for life. Now he's on a NBC show in the US and it's kinda obligatory to get a publicist and he dreads it. But you know what, he's playing the game because he sees the horizon which eventually will be to choose his roles. So for those actors it's about getting well-known in order to be able to play what they want and not be an actor-for-hire. So I think this is the same for both Michael and Alicia who are both European actors.

 

[SusanBeach]

I´m sorry if I have started a heated discussion, I just wroted how I felt, don´t want to offend anyone!! I hope we can have a little fun regardless different opinion.
On the other side, 3 days with none post and now


Thank you BagBerry13 for the trailer!
Do you know how many citys they plan to show the film in? Is it like Ex-Machina or is this "a smaller film"?


Here comes a new article

http://bucksandcorn.com/the-rising-star-of-alicia-vikander/

 

[twiddlebird]

How do you know what are downright lies though? She is a nobody, to me she was a nobody until a week ago, weeks even after I saw Ex Machina. Unless you know for a fact everything is all lies and can prove it as fact to everyone ever, it remains other people's opinion, speculation and gossip, which is what this board and others are for - and this is gossip that's been said about many well before this chick! Once again, AV is not as special a snowflake as you want her to be.

I both side-eye and feel sorry for you that you think a woman's only motivation to "hate" (which is so OTT - maybe I could take you seriously with less hyperbole) can be "jealousy" or "a man," that women aren't allowed to or capable of having complex motivations and thoughts and opinions arising from complex needs and desires - or, in this case not so complex.

To me, it's simple: she is boring and not as compelling as made out to be, and certain things as presented I personally find questionable. I don't "hate" her and even said she was perfectly cast in Ex Machina (while admitting I found the voiceless Kyoko more compelling, which is part of my problem with AV). But when people react to any negative opinion with insulting and OTT hyperbole that makes it feel like one is trying to force AV Unicorn Sparkle-flavored Kool Aid down any naysayer's throat... honestly, that is the kind of thing that leads to "hate." But jealousy will never be part of it. In fact, I rarely hate people I'm jealous of, but tend to nearly worship them - kind of like what you're doing here, lol. But everyone's different. Women aren't a monolith with only one way of being.

Thank you.

I don't "hate" AV either. I just feel that there should be something to meritocracy, and AV doesn't even remotely merit what she thinks she deserves. I read her interviews, and all I see is a spoiled, entitled, narcissistic, arrogant brat. She's thoroughly unlikeable in every way. I'm not "jeolous", I just think success should be earned. Not given. She's just not that great, and frankly doesn't deserve it, IMO.

 

[Allie28]

How do you know what are downright lies though? She is a nobody, to me she was a nobody until a week ago, weeks even after I saw Ex Machina. Unless you know for a fact everything is all lies and can prove it as fact to everyone ever, it remains other people's opinion, speculation and gossip, which is what this board and others are for - and this is gossip that's been said about many well before this chick! Once again, AV is not as special a snowflake as you want her to be.

I both side-eye and feel sorry for you that you think a woman's only motivation to "hate" (which is so OTT - maybe I could take you seriously with less hyperbole) can be "jealousy" or "a man," that women aren't allowed to or capable of having complex motivations and thoughts and opinions arising from complex needs and desires - or, in this case not so complex.

To me, it's simple: she is boring and not as compelling as made out to be, and certain things as presented I personally find questionable. I don't "hate" her and even said she was perfectly cast in Ex Machina (while admitting I found the voiceless Kyoko more compelling, which is part of my problem with AV). But when people react to any negative opinion with insulting and OTT hyperbole that makes it feel like one is trying to force AV Unicorn Sparkle-flavored Kool Aid down any naysayer's throat... honestly, that is the kind of thing that leads to "hate." But jealousy will never be part of it. In fact, I rarely hate people I'm jealous of, but tend to nearly worship them - kind of like what you're doing here, lol. But everyone's different. Women aren't a monolith with only one way of being.

Just a question. If she's so boring to you why write so many posts both here and in Fassy's thread about her? You never posted before their relationship so SOMETHING about her must motivate you. Otherwise why devote so much of your time thinking and writing about someone who's "nobody" to you?

Not saying you shouldn't or don't have the right to. Post away! I'm just questioning why you want to. The Kardashians are nobodies to me. I don't even go in their thread, let alone post every day about them.

 

[BagBerry13]

^^I was asking myself the same. If I don't care about someone or don't know him I wouldn't go in their thread and post away.

 

[scarlet555]

There's all this buzz about this chick and I accidentally saw ex machina, eh.., she's doesnt have the looks and most important shes not charming. she seems very lukewarm in every way and at best and am actually glad she has fans! don't have to be a fan to post as far as I know and FYI.

 

[Blueberry12]

I've seen Testament of Youth 2 days ago , it was a good movie , but very sad.

It was beautifully filmed.

 

[mollie12]

Let's not get crazy. Here's what Lainey actually said - still complimentary, but not near as effusive:



Lovely face, bubbly and endearing in person does not equal "really really beautiful, just a real beauty." And having the room for a night does not equal "every man in the venue eyeballing her". Lol.

No shade intended, but I think this is one of the reasons why people are having such a strong negative reaction to her - someone says she's cute, it turns into she's the most beautiful woman ever. That kind of reaching (which truthfully isn't her fault, unless it's her PR team doing it; I think it's mostly overzealous fans with a touch of PR) coupled with her seeming entitled arrogance (and I have to admit, the more I read, the more it seems like that is what it is, which is her fault. That Lainey quote was from 2011 - it seems being told she's the next big thing for the last three years has gone to her head. I shudder to think what being an actual success or getting an Oscar nom would do) - all of that is off-putting to a lot of people.

You're missing a couple of other posts from Lainey where she does describe her as a beauty.

Then there was the mystery brunette. A really, really beautiful brunette. Who was being eyeballed by every man at the venue. My entire crew was into her, every crew was into her, Dylan and Matt declared that she was by the far the best looking woman at the entire convention, and I couldn’t disagree. Turns out the paps got a shot of them together on the patio. It’s only a profile picture but that’s her. It’s too bad you can’t see the full body. She had amazing legs. And I know some of you are like huffing and pfftt-ing that she’s not like some kind of airbrushed supermodel but there’s a difference between magazine beauty and real beauty, flesh and blood, right up in your face, and this girl, whoever she is, on aesthetics, she’s as first cut as they come. Accordingly to Us Weekly they ended up going home together. I left before they did, I wouldn’t know. But that night, she could have had her pick of anyone.

http://www.laineygossip.com/Alex-and-the-brunette(s)/20829

Now, is Lainey exaggerating for the sake of "good gossip"? Sure, that's a possibility. But people here didn't pull that quote out of their ***.

It's fine if you think her looks and acting are overrated. I think the same of Tom Hardy and Scarlett Johannsen. But I don't doubt other's sincerity in their appreciation and it doesn't really bother me that much to see them all over the media.

I agree with most everyone that journalists don't seem too thrilled by her frosty demeanor. Right now it's an issue. We'll see if it's still one in a couple months when her major promo starts ramping up.

 

[Kyoko Karenina]

Sorry but I have to partly disagree there. I get what you're saying but what you're saying is very much how it works in the US. PR is big there, image is everything and lots of things happen on the casting couch but that doesn't mean it's like this everywhere in the world. Most European actors are really about the craft. I know actors who really just wanna act. The fact that they, in your eyes, chase celebrity is for them a mean to meet the end of being able to choose their roles. You wouldn't believe how much work we had to put in to convince a German actor we worked with to get himself a publicist. The guy had so many bad experience with them, he was burned for life. Now he's on a NBC show in the US and it's kinda obligatory to get a publicist and he dreads it. But you know what, he's playing the game because he sees the horizon which eventually will be to choose his roles. So for those actors it's about getting well-known in order to be able to play what they want and not be an actor-for-hire. So I think this is the same for both Michael and Alicia who are both European actors.

You're right, I am talking about the US. Not to sound jingoistic, but if you want to be a "star" by Hollywood standards, then you have to be famous in the US (and you are considered a nobody until you are famous here, no matter how long your resume in your home country, that's just how it is). So I'll clarify: it's 100% impossible to be a "Hollywood star" and not be one who chases celebrity.

Even with that caveat, it seems to me both MF and AV want to be "Hollywood stars" rather than "European actors", which I think are two different things. For example, Liam Neeson is a Hollywood star who happens to be Irish, while Brendan Gleeson is an Irish actor who happens to have parts in HW movies sometimes. Or the Skarsgards - Alex is aiming for HW star, while his dad is more of a European actor who dabbles in HW (lol). And now that you point out the European difference, how foreign actors can achieve success with less of the crap of the HW system by staying in their country and maybe dipping their toe in HW waters as needed, that only points more towards someone from outside that system who comes in and deliberately tries to move to the top as being someone chasing celebrity. I mean, lbr, MF isn't doing Assassin's Creed "for the craft," right?

 

[mollie12]

I think Assassin's Creed is going to be a Jonah Hex-level disaster. None of the Macbeth reviews convinced me Kurzel has a point of view or directorial vision.
I want to know what kind of deal Ubisoft offered him to do it, because money/fame is the only rational reason to agree to something that iffy.

 

[BagBerry13]

You're right, I am talking about the US. Not to sound jingoistic, but if you want to be a "star" by Hollywood standards, then you have to be famous in the US (and you are considered a nobody until you are famous here, no matter how long your resume in your home country, that's just how it is). So I'll clarify: it's 100% impossible to be a "Hollywood star" and not be one who chases celebrity.

Even with that caveat, it seems to me both MF and AV want to be "Hollywood stars" rather than "European actors", which I think are two different things. For example, Liam Neeson is a Hollywood star who happens to be Irish, while Brendan Gleeson is an Irish actor who happens to have parts in HW movies sometimes. Or the Skarsgards - Alex is aiming for HW star, while his dad is more of a European actor who dabbles in HW (lol). And now that you point out the European difference, how foreign actors can achieve success with less of the crap of the HW system by staying in their country and maybe dipping their toe in HW waters as needed, that only points more towards someone from outside that system who comes in and deliberately tries to move to the top as being someone chasing celebrity. I mean, lbr, MF isn't doing Assassin's Creed "for the craft," right?

I'm not that big of a fan of the Fassdong. He's just easy to find these days (hence the picture posting). I've seen exactly three of his films and I liked them but I won't watch AC because I'm neither into video games nor a big fan of adaptations which seems to be the only thing Hollywood is doing lately. I don't know him or his motivation for working in Hollywood but he's at least not dating one of the known famewhores certain other actors are dating. So I don't get why anyone gives those two such a hard time.

 

[Kyoko Karenina]

Just a question. If she's so boring to you why write so many posts both here and in Fassy's thread about her? You never posted before their relationship so SOMETHING about her must motivate you. Otherwise why devote so much of your time thinking and writing about someone who's "nobody" to you?

Not saying you shouldn't or don't have the right to. Post away! I'm just questioning why you want to. The Kardashians are nobodies to me. I don't even go in their thread, let alone post every day about them.

LOLWUT. You know exactly who the Kardashians are, so they're not "nobodies," you just don't like them. I literally just discovered this chick about a week ago, whenever I signed up, so I don't know about devoting "so much time" to her. I come here every now and then when I'm on an MF kick, and came to check on Macbeth at Cannes after not checking for him for months. And almost every. single. post. was about this girl and not him, so I wanted to check her out. I realized I'd already seen several of her movies, but didn't find her that memorable - and I noticed literally everyone who said anything similar got shut down, some posts deleted even. So I signed up too, because that kind of "censorship" irks me. Then the same thing happened to me, lol. My very first post was deleted for no good reason, and you simply could not express even a mildly negative opinion on this girl (in the Michael Fassbender thread) without certain people going all shrill on you.

Like I said, when it starts to feel like you're being forced to choke on a certain flavor Kool-Aid - especially when coupled with the frankly offensive reasoning that it must be "jealousy" because you're such a "delusional fan girl" and you're pissed someone else "has your man" - that's an annoying attempt at policing and shaming others, which only makes me want to post more. I'm betting this line of thought fuels quite a few, because no one likes to be called delusional, to have your opinions invalidated, your intellect reduced, to be called "trash" and made out to seem borderline evil or somehow less than because you dared to gossip on a gossip board, because you dared to post about someone you dislike (the implication being that those who don't post negatively about people they dislike are somehow inherently more righteous and noble. Which, ugh. This is a gossip forum, not a Buddhist monastery). All if that tends to bring out the fight or flight response in people. Some will leave, some will push back. It actually has little to do with AV or MF, and more to do with human psychology. Lol.

 

[Morgane]

I knew her before Fassy as well. A little because of the Skarsgard's but I saw her in The Royal Affair and she was very good.

Just because she's suddenly popped up on a MF fan's radar, doesn't mean she hasn't been on the radar before that.

I saw A Royal Affair two yearso ago and I was impressed by her acting too. Like I said,I'm more interested in seeing her acting with Fassbender,than in other kind of activities.. People who think that she doesn't deserve anything or there's not meritocracy probably have not read any of her reviews in the past FOUR years,and I'm not even considerng her Swedish films and awards. When critics point out your good performance in a film like Son of a Gun,you're good at your job,probably. In my opinion she comes across better in video and I'll not attack her because she looks uncomfortable when people ask about her private life. Also,I think her famous W mag interview has been overblown out of proportions. I don't think she said that she "deserves" to be successful and nominated gor an oscar.In my opinion she was just honest about having some Oscar baity material,after filming for three years without any kind of promotion.If she thinks that she'll be more known.. well,that's not wrong. I'm not questioning what people think about her attitude,it's the pretense that she's coming out of nowhere that I find a bit hilarious. I'm pretty sure that IF she'll be nominated for The Danish Girl,someone will say that Weinstein has bought her nomination,like he bought the American Hustle nomination for JLaw...
This arguing over her career,her pretentious "IT girl " status,etc.. is meaningless. It's very simple: time will tell if she'll be more than a critical darling,or after all these opportunities to be "more known",she's not destined for something bigger.

 

[BagBerry13]

LOLWUT. You know exactly who the Kardashians are, so they're not "nobodies," you just don't like them. I literally just discovered this chick about a week ago, whenever I signed up, so I don't know about devoting "so much time" to her. I come here every now and then when I'm on an MF kick, and came to check on Macbeth at Cannes after not checking for him for months. And almost every. single. post. was about this girl and not him, so I wanted to check her out. I realized I'd already seen several of her movies, but didn't find her that memorable - and I noticed literally everyone who said anything similar got shut down, some posts deleted even. So I signed up too, because that kind of "censorship" irks me. Then the same thing happened to me, lol. My very first post was deleted for no good reason, and you simply could not express even a mildly negative opinion on this girl (in the Michael Fassbender thread) without certain people going all shrill on you.

Like I said, when it starts to feel like you're being forced to choke on a certain flavor Kool-Aid - especially when coupled with the frankly offensive reasoning that it must be "jealousy" because you're such a "delusional fan girl" and you're pissed someone else "has your man" - that's an annoying attempt at policing and shaming others, which only makes me want to post more. I'm betting this line of thought fuels quite a few, because no one likes to be called delusional, to have your opinions invalidated, your intellect reduced, to be called "trash" and made out to seem borderline evil or somehow less than because you dared to gossip on a gossip board, because you dared to post about someone you dislike (the implication being that those who don't post negatively about people they dislike are somehow inherently more righteous and noble. Which, ugh. This is a gossip forum, not a Buddhist monastery). All if that tends to bring out the fight or flight response in people. Some will leave, some will push back. It actually has little to do with AV or MF, and more to do with human psychology. Lol.

So, you're saying even though you didn't know her until last week and don't care much about her you keep posting about her because someone pushed you too hard? That's also some kind of psychology. The kind where you get therapy for.
Who cares if someone calls your online moniker delusional or jealous. No one knows you here. If you are not these kind of things why getting so riled up about it?

And btw, the deletion of posts is done by moderators of this forum not by other users. So if you don't like this kind of "censorship" you should talk to the forum guys.

 

[Morgane]

I think Assassin's Creed is going to be a Jonah Hex-level disaster. None of the Macbeth reviews convinced me Kurzel has a point of view or directorial vision.
I want to know what kind of deal Ubisoft offered him to do it, because money/fame is the only rational reason to agree to something that iffy.

Actually some reviews have convinced me that Kurzel is the right person for AC. Even who has not liked the whole operation has spent great words about Macbeth's visual elements. I think Kurzel was extremely "limited" by his source material. I'm more concerned about the script.
Is Alicia still in talking for The Circle?