Michael & Alicia Fassbender ~ A Loving Couple Thread

[Kyoko Karenina]

Yeah, I think by now everyone on this board has got your drift. You find Alicia over hyped and underwhelming and see no problem in the character assassinations of her. There's no need to keep repeating it, are there no other boards where you can explore your interest in the intersection of media/communications, the internet and celebrity? I must admit that as a European I find your perspective overly cynical; the discussion here concerns two European actors rather than American and you are viewing them from an American vantage point without seemingly fully appreciating the differencees in European and American culture and values.

Lol. You asking me specifically to comment on this very thing is what kickstarted the flurry of comments today. I find that hilarious.

Oh, and you're European, are you? Okay.

And no, I am not fully appreciating the difference in European and American cultures, because mostly what I end up talking about pertains to Hollywood, or showbiz, which is its own culture entirely. Kind of like the Vatican, lol.

 

[BadAzzBish]

How do you know what are downright lies though? She is a nobody, to me she was a nobody until a week ago, weeks even after I saw Ex Machina. Unless you know for a fact everything is all lies and can prove it as fact to everyone ever, it remains other people's opinion, speculation and gossip, which is what this board and others are for - and this is gossip that's been said about many well before this chick! Once again, AV is not as special a snowflake as you want her to be.

I both side-eye and feel sorry for you that you think a woman's only motivation to "hate" (which is so OTT - maybe I could take you seriously with less hyperbole) can be "jealousy" or "a man," that women aren't allowed to or capable of having complex motivations and thoughts and opinions arising from complex needs and desires - or, in this case not so complex.

To me, it's simple: she is boring and not as compelling as made out to be, and certain things as presented I personally find questionable. I don't "hate" her and even said she was perfectly cast in Ex Machina (while admitting I found the voiceless Kyoko more compelling, which is part of my problem with AV). But when people react to any negative opinion with insulting and OTT hyperbole that makes it feel like one is trying to force AV Unicorn Sparkle-flavored Kool Aid down any naysayer's throat... honestly, that is the kind of thing that leads to "hate." But jealousy will never be part of it. In fact, I rarely hate people I'm jealous of, but tend to nearly worship them - kind of like what you're doing here, lol. But everyone's different. Women aren't a monolith with only one way of being.

Great post! And I'm totally stealing "Unicorn Sparkle-flavored Kool-aid"

 

[scarlet555]

I'm guessing English is not your first language, or you are very young. Or both. That's ok.

What I am saying: I learned about her and posted, mainly to one specific poster, and that post was deleted at a time when several people complained about that very thing and that very poster, which irked me. Censorship always irks me, and instead of backing down as is intended, I always make sure I voice my opinion. That is "pushing back." I am just that kind of person, in all areas of life. It's annoying to people, I'm sure. Some posts have been actual curiosity, learning about her. Some posts have been about other people entirely. Some posts have been to engage conversation. Most posts are responses, many pushing against the seeming mob mentality that springs up so quickly here, as is happening right now. That is not cause for therapy, that is the internet. Sorry, try again.

I don't want to turn this into a debate about semantics - like, I don't really care if someone calls me delusional to the point of needing therapy (what even, lol). I do care when people use tactics like that, that kind of policing and shaming, telling people they need therapy because they post rather intelligent and thoughtful posts on an Internet forum that happen to disagree with the prevailing opinion, all to get people to fall into some kind of line. I wonder what that says about the people who feel the need to respond, to keep pushing their agenda when I've already said how and why I disagree, or what it says about the people who can't have anyone say anything bad about their favorite... that they need to be institutionalized? Lol.

It's weird too, because this seems to happen a lot in the MF thread compared to others. I was a little bit shocked at some of the other threads and how no one really feels the need to attack (however subtly) people who disagree.

To some posters you need therapy if you don't agree with them... They attack you personally as well... Sad, right?

 

[BadAzzBish]

So, you're saying even though you didn't know her until last week and don't care much about her you keep posting about her because someone pushed you too hard? That's also some kind of psychology. The kind where you get therapy for.
Who cares if someone calls your online moniker delusional or jealous. No one knows you here. If you are not these kind of things why getting so riled up about it?

And btw, the deletion of posts is done by moderators of this forum not by other users. So if you don't like this kind of "censorship" you should talk to the forum guys.

Exactly PF users are not the censor police nor are they the morality police. This is not a fan site but a celebrity discussion board where ALL opinions have a right to be expressed regardless of your agreement with them.

 

[BadAzzBish]

To some posters you need therapy if you don't agree with them... They attack you personally as well... Sad, right?

^THIS! I think it's because they don't have a logical retort and/or incapable of having a respectful discussion with others of differing opinions /viewpoints.

 

[SusanBeach]

I wonder when Alicia goes to NY, maybe she already are there but friday she was seen in London.

Looking forward to the premiere and interviews (I hope) with Kit Harington. I have seen Kit only in the GOH so for me it´s interesting see him in a whole new role.

 

[pearlyqueen]

Lol. You asking me specifically to comment on this very thing is what kickstarted the flurry of comments today. I find that hilarious.

Oh, and you're European, are you? Okay.

And no, I am not fully appreciating the difference in European and American cultures, because mostly what I end up talking about pertains to Hollywood, or showbiz, which is its own culture entirely. Kind of like the Vatican, lol.

Yes I am European, from London UK. I'm not sure what gave you the impression that I initially asked you to specifically comment which led to the flurry of comments...?? Initially I replied to a post by SusanBeach in which she queried why there was so much negativity towards Alicia, there was no request to you to comment. Nevertheless you chose to and disagreed with my comments, as is your right, but certainly not at my invitation.... Your main objection was my view that the bulk of hateful and negative comments about Alicia were motivated by jealousy as they are almost exclusively made by Michael's fans and only since she became his girlfriend. I queried what was their motivation if not jealousy. You didn't offer an alternative but since then have been at odds with several other posters on this forum along with a couple of other anti Alicia posters who have migrated here from Michael's board, such is the drive to criticisize her as widely as possible.

I don't dispute that Hollwood has its own culture but both Michael and Alicia are European and only occassionly dip their toes in Hollywood's water. Most of the time they steer clear of it and live thousands of miles away in London.. They don't live "celebrity" lifestyles and remain private.

 

[pearlyqueen]

Lol. You asking me specifically to comment on this very thing is what kickstarted the flurry of comments today. I find that hilarious.

Oh, and you're European, are you? Okay.

And no, I am not fully appreciating the difference in European and American cultures, because mostly what I end up talking about pertains to Hollywood, or showbiz, which is its own culture entirely. Kind of like the Vatican, lol.

I wonder when Alicia goes to NY, maybe she already are there but friday she was seen in London.

Looking forward to the premiere and interviews (I hope) with Kit Harington. I have seen Kit only in the GOH so for me it´s interesting see him in a whole new role.

Alicia was in London yesterday but she is confirmed to attend her premiere on Tuesday and she is the lead role.

I saw Testament of Youth when it opened in London in January and she gives a great performance. The film is mainly about her character, Vera Brittain, who was a leading British pacifist and writer. Kit's role is supporting and I believe he is confirmed to attend to. The fact that Alicia, a Swedish actress, won this very British role speaks volumes for her ability and talent, although there's no way you can tell she's not English listening to her - she sounds 100% authentic!

 

[BagBerry13]

Then I guess it's a good thing I'm not trying to be a little more known to the American movie-going public, and have already been to the Oscars!

As for being condescending: throwing stones, glass houses, etc. Although I wasn't actually condescending, I thought you just didn't fully grasp what I was saying because I can tell English is not your first language. And apparently I wasn't wrong, so...

As far as needing a sense of humor, were you joking about the therapy comment then? Because it didn't read that way, and regardless is a perfect example of what I was talking about, as those are the kinds of little comments people make to disparage and discourage people from saying things they don't like. But okay.

Now you can add boasting to the list. If you think I get jealous of your Oscar visit you're wrong. Sitting in a room for three hours without alcohol watching people getting awards who don't deserve it, is not my kind of evening entertainment.

Are you kidding me? It is stated on the left where users are from so your question about my English was rhetoric and therefore had a different meaning than clarifying my origin. I can't remember having been condescending apart from apparently that last post you took very literally, and personal. Again, if you aren't these things why getting your panties in a twist? But I see that's your kind of thing, twisting words and meanings, so I'm gonna refrain from any further response in order to not disturb your freedom of speech (and yes, that was condescending because it's getting ridiculous).

I'll throw in an Antipodean view for good measure..lol.

Alicia is known here. She's been building solid performances in smaller (and a few larger) European films for a few years.

The measure of success and recognition is not only by American standards nor by how many blockbusters an actor or actress has to their credit.

Her relationship with Fassy nor her interviews warrant the level of nuclear fission on this thread IMO.

 

[Swanky]

The bickering and arguments need to go to PM. If they continue after this post they'll be deleted and reminders will be issued.
Member MUST be respectful always here. You don't have to agree, but you can't derail threads with arguing.
Talk about the celebs, not the members and stay on topic please. If someone is offensive, ignore them and report the post.
:back2topic:

 

[Hackensack]

I can recommend the movie Son of a Gun, starring Ewan McGregor and Brendan Thwaites. Alicia is very good, though her role isn't large, and she is in the "girlfriend of the mob boss" role. The film is basically a heist film that tests the concept of honor among thieves, and is well worth watching. I found it on amazon VOD.

 

[Blueberry12]

Alicia was in London yesterday but she is confirmed to attend her premiere on Tuesday and she is the lead role.

I saw Testament of Youth when it opened in London in January and she gives a great performance. The film is mainly about her character, Vera Brittain, who was a leading British pacifist and writer. Kit's role is supporting and I believe he is confirmed to attend to. The fact that Alicia, a Swedish actress, won this very British role speaks volumes for her ability and talent, although there's no way you can tell she's not English listening to her - she sounds 100% authentic!

Great. As English is not my first language I wondered how good her accent was.

She also speaks a bit german in ToY.
But of course her character is not native german speaker in the movie , so her accent doesn't need to be perfect.

It would still be interesting to know how her german is as she seems to be good at learning accents and languages.

Bagberry12?

 

[pearlyqueen]

Great. As English is not my first language I wondered how good her accent was.

She also speaks a bit german in ToY.
But of course her character is not native german speaker in the movie , so her accent doesn't need to be perfect.

It would still be interesting to know how her german is as she seems to be good at learning accents and languages.

Bagberry12?

Tbh she speaks very little German in TOY, just one scene if I remember correctly, and it's spoken as an English person who is not fluent. But with her linguistic ability I'm sure she could speak German very well! Both in TOY and in real life she sounds authentically English - if I didn't know she was Swedish I would think she was English.

 

[mollie12]

I don't think her English accent in Testament of Youth is perfect. She definitely drops a few Swedish vowels here and there. But it's not distracting either. And judging by interviews, she's continued to improve.

 

[BagBerry13]

I've never heard her speak German. Only with a German accent in The Fifth Estate and that was rather subtle. As long as her German is as good as Alexander Skarsgård's (when he's not playing a Nazi in True Blood) she'll be fine.
For example, in this video in the beginning he sounds good as long as he doesn't have to pronounce the 'ch'. Curiously, Swedes got problems with that which I find funny given their "noises" in their language and yet other similar pronunciation.