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Yeah, you’re alright. No need whatsoever to freak out. Just be open with him about your thinking. Sometimes I’ll tell my SA items I’d like to see at the visit, but I also know he goes into overdrive getting me things, lol! So knowing that, I might say, Here’s my list….I really want the Orans in white, the blanket and the wallet, but I don’t know about the scarf. I’m not sure about the blue colorway and I’d just like to look at it, so don’t drive yourself bonkers on my behalf if getting it will be a quest for the holy grail. I think he appreciates that. :smile:

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Thank you! She’s awesome (slightly crazy but I like it ;) ).
Thank you for all the tips. Usually I try to do what you described. I think the reason I feel weird is because I said that I’m almost certain about the boots and then I bailed on them… I have been rather reliable on other occasions so I’m hopeful that he won’t hold a grudge. I think the reason Im freaking out is because I requested a hard to get bag and I worry he won’t get it for me haha. Thanks again!
 
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I wouldn't over think it - They get super busy and get a ton of text messages and emails from clients. I'm sure it's just him responding through messages very quickly and the intent was not to come off as curt.

They don't want you to buy stuff you don't love and won't use. This goes with the game and I think with shoes, all sales people are aware that shoes are trickier items.
 
Alright, this is hopefully not a big deal, but I wanted to get some opinions. It’s kind of a long story because there’s a lot of context.

TL;DR: my mom’s SA was going to ship her a fine jewelry bracelet from the store. Mom couldn’t contact him to tell him she was at her other home, so she calls the store and tells the store director that the delivery address needed to change. SD freaks out and chews my mom out… before changing tune and agreeing to ship it.


My mom’s “local” boutique is about a three-hour drive from her second home, and she stops in every 3-6 months when her schedule permits, and she also orders things from her SA between visits. Anyway, my mom’s SA texted her last week saying that his store was about to get a rose gold CDC bracelet with diamonds on the pyramids and asked if she would be interested. She said yes, and he said he would text her again when it arrives. The plan was that the store would ship it to her, which is what they did when she got her Kelly bracelet a couple of months ago (they had to transfer the correct size from a different store). The CDC arrived in store Saturday, and he sent her a payment link late Sunday afternoon. My mom missed that text because she was out for an early dinner with my dad, so her SA texted her again around Hermès closing time saying he would resend the payment link on Tuesday.

Come Tuesday, my mom receives another payment link via email, and she pays for it successfully. She texts her SA for confirmation and to tell him that she is currently at her primary home, not the one closest to Hermès, and that she would need it shipped there, instead (note: she has not ordered anything to that address before). No response. 30 minutes later, she receives a confirmation email from FedEx stating that the package would be overnighted to the wrong address. Panicked, she texts SA again. No response. So she calls the store and finds out he’s not working that day, hence the silence (also, totally understandable, but in this case, she needed help ASAP). She is put through to the store director, and this is when all hell breaks loose.

SD is extremely huffy on the phone. Mom explains that she is at her primary home and nobody is at the original address to receive it. At first SD insists that it go to the original address, and that if my mom wants the bracelet and cannot be there to receive it, she will have to come into the store to get it. Mom explains that she will not be in that area again until September. SD is irritated but agrees to ship to the new address. More context: the new address is a townhouse in a row of six (a very small development), and each townhouse shares the same street address but has a individual unit number (they are technically zoned as condos, but they look like townhouses with individual exterior front doors and driveways). SD flips her ish when my mom says “123 Random Street, unit number 6.” SD shouts “We do not ship to apartments! The bracelet is too expensive! Too much of a security risk!” Mom was really taken aback but kindly explained that it’s a condo, not an apartment, and that each unit has its own driveway and front door. Still, SD insists that FedEx will not deliver it there, which is not true. SD said that she still wanted to cancel it “but, oh, it’s already been paid for” (in a super disappointed voice). My mom then told her she had already contacted her SA to tell him that she was at her other residence and that she did not know that he was not in that day. Then, SD’s tone softened, and she became much more polite and friendly, and then she agreed to the address change.

Mom was really taken aback by the exchange. She described the SD’s tone as “quite mean” and said that she felt “talked down to,” especially for living in an “apartment” (which she doesn’t lol). I didn’t hear the conversation, but I believe my mom completely because she is a pretty darn intimidating woman in her own right, and she rarely feels belittled by others. But now my mom is so afraid of this woman that she’s going to drop everything from her work (even ending or canceling meetings, if need be) whenever the bracelet arrives so she can sign for it, open the box, and confirm with the SD, who will follow up with a phone call whenever FedEx sends a delivery notification. My mom never gets distracted when WFH, so this is pretty unprecedented. She literally told me “I have to open it immediately, no matter what, because I can’t imagine how upset and mean she’ll get if I can’t confirm that I received it when she calls. I can’t do another tongue-lashing! Not this soon!”

Soooooo, is it just me, or is this crazy? Did my mom do anything wrong here? Does she need to tread lightly around the SD the next time she goes to the store? Or can anyone explain the SD’s perspective here?
 
Alright, this is hopefully not a big deal, but I wanted to get some opinions. It’s kind of a long story because there’s a lot of context.

TL;DR: my mom’s SA was going to ship her a fine jewelry bracelet from the store. Mom couldn’t contact him to tell him she was at her other home, so she calls the store and tells the store director that the delivery address needed to change. SD freaks out and chews my mom out… before changing tune and agreeing to ship it.


My mom’s “local” boutique is about a three-hour drive from her second home, and she stops in every 3-6 months when her schedule permits, and she also orders things from her SA between visits. Anyway, my mom’s SA texted her last week saying that his store was about to get a rose gold CDC bracelet with diamonds on the pyramids and asked if she would be interested. She said yes, and he said he would text her again when it arrives. The plan was that the store would ship it to her, which is what they did when she got her Kelly bracelet a couple of months ago (they had to transfer the correct size from a different store). The CDC arrived in store Saturday, and he sent her a payment link late Sunday afternoon. My mom missed that text because she was out for an early dinner with my dad, so her SA texted her again around Hermès closing time saying he would resend the payment link on Tuesday.

Come Tuesday, my mom receives another payment link via email, and she pays for it successfully. She texts her SA for confirmation and to tell him that she is currently at her primary home, not the one closest to Hermès, and that she would need it shipped there, instead (note: she has not ordered anything to that address before). No response. 30 minutes later, she receives a confirmation email from FedEx stating that the package would be overnighted to the wrong address. Panicked, she texts SA again. No response. So she calls the store and finds out he’s not working that day, hence the silence (also, totally understandable, but in this case, she needed help ASAP). She is put through to the store director, and this is when all hell breaks loose.

SD is extremely huffy on the phone. Mom explains that she is at her primary home and nobody is at the original address to receive it. At first SD insists that it go to the original address, and that if my mom wants the bracelet and cannot be there to receive it, she will have to come into the store to get it. Mom explains that she will not be in that area again until September. SD is irritated but agrees to ship to the new address. More context: the new address is a townhouse in a row of six (a very small development), and each townhouse shares the same street address but has a individual unit number (they are technically zoned as condos, but they look like townhouses with individual exterior front doors and driveways). SD flips her ish when my mom says “123 Random Street, unit number 6.” SD shouts “We do not ship to apartments! The bracelet is too expensive! Too much of a security risk!” Mom was really taken aback but kindly explained that it’s a condo, not an apartment, and that each unit has its own driveway and front door. Still, SD insists that FedEx will not deliver it there, which is not true. SD said that she still wanted to cancel it “but, oh, it’s already been paid for” (in a super disappointed voice). My mom then told her she had already contacted her SA to tell him that she was at her other residence and that she did not know that he was not in that day. Then, SD’s tone softened, and she became much more polite and friendly, and then she agreed to the address change.

Mom was really taken aback by the exchange. She described the SD’s tone as “quite mean” and said that she felt “talked down to,” especially for living in an “apartment” (which she doesn’t lol). I didn’t hear the conversation, but I believe my mom completely because she is a pretty darn intimidating woman in her own right, and she rarely feels belittled by others. But now my mom is so afraid of this woman that she’s going to drop everything from her work (even ending or canceling meetings, if need be) whenever the bracelet arrives so she can sign for it, open the box, and confirm with the SD, who will follow up with a phone call whenever FedEx sends a delivery notification. My mom never gets distracted when WFH, so this is pretty unprecedented. She literally told me “I have to open it immediately, no matter what, because I can’t imagine how upset and mean she’ll get if I can’t confirm that I received it when she calls. I can’t do another tongue-lashing! Not this soon!”

Soooooo, is it just me, or is this crazy? Did my mom do anything wrong here? Does she need to tread lightly around the SD the next time she goes to the store? Or can anyone explain the SD’s perspective here?
Shipping during the pandemic has gotten very unreliable in some regions with FedEx no longer getting direct signatures. There has been so much fraud and stolen/missing packages that some stores have stopped shipping any item whatsoever (like even a twilly) because if a package is lost, FedEx isn’t taking responsibility and some stores have gotten significantly burned (think, losing hundreds of thousands of dollars). Other stores are requiring high level approval for any shipment over a set amount, as low as $5,000. I’m not standing up for the SD but from their perspective, they were about to send a $12,000 package to some new address not on file with them under your name (I presume). They also were likely annoyed that they would have to void and redo the shipping label when they likely had an entire room filled with boxes being ready for shipment. I’m honestly surprised that they agreed to mail it in the end and I don’t think it’s too much to ask for your mom to confirm receipt when she gets it within a few hours time. The store probably shipped several dozen packages yesterday and I highly doubt the SD has time or care to sit by the screen and watch the tracking on your mother’s package specifically for the second it arrives so I wouldn’t cancel my day over it but a nice “I received the bracelet safely today and love it!” to both your SA and the SD before closing hours will likely be very appreciated. For future reference, it’s always good to confirm all details before paying. It is my understanding that in most stores, the payment links, packing, and shipping, is done by a separate team in the back room and completely out of the hands of the SA.
 
Alright, this is hopefully not a big deal, but I wanted to get some opinions. It’s kind of a long story because there’s a lot of context.

TL;DR: my mom’s SA was going to ship her a fine jewelry bracelet from the store. Mom couldn’t contact him to tell him she was at her other home, so she calls the store and tells the store director that the delivery address needed to change. SD freaks out and chews my mom out… before changing tune and agreeing to ship it.


My mom’s “local” boutique is about a three-hour drive from her second home, and she stops in every 3-6 months when her schedule permits, and she also orders things from her SA between visits. Anyway, my mom’s SA texted her last week saying that his store was about to get a rose gold CDC bracelet with diamonds on the pyramids and asked if she would be interested. She said yes, and he said he would text her again when it arrives. The plan was that the store would ship it to her, which is what they did when she got her Kelly bracelet a couple of months ago (they had to transfer the correct size from a different store). The CDC arrived in store Saturday, and he sent her a payment link late Sunday afternoon. My mom missed that text because she was out for an early dinner with my dad, so her SA texted her again around Hermès closing time saying he would resend the payment link on Tuesday.

Come Tuesday, my mom receives another payment link via email, and she pays for it successfully. She texts her SA for confirmation and to tell him that she is currently at her primary home, not the one closest to Hermès, and that she would need it shipped there, instead (note: she has not ordered anything to that address before). No response. 30 minutes later, she receives a confirmation email from FedEx stating that the package would be overnighted to the wrong address. Panicked, she texts SA again. No response. So she calls the store and finds out he’s not working that day, hence the silence (also, totally understandable, but in this case, she needed help ASAP). She is put through to the store director, and this is when all hell breaks loose.

SD is extremely huffy on the phone. Mom explains that she is at her primary home and nobody is at the original address to receive it. At first SD insists that it go to the original address, and that if my mom wants the bracelet and cannot be there to receive it, she will have to come into the store to get it. Mom explains that she will not be in that area again until September. SD is irritated but agrees to ship to the new address. More context: the new address is a townhouse in a row of six (a very small development), and each townhouse shares the same street address but has a individual unit number (they are technically zoned as condos, but they look like townhouses with individual exterior front doors and driveways). SD flips her ish when my mom says “123 Random Street, unit number 6.” SD shouts “We do not ship to apartments! The bracelet is too expensive! Too much of a security risk!” Mom was really taken aback but kindly explained that it’s a condo, not an apartment, and that each unit has its own driveway and front door. Still, SD insists that FedEx will not deliver it there, which is not true. SD said that she still wanted to cancel it “but, oh, it’s already been paid for” (in a super disappointed voice). My mom then told her she had already contacted her SA to tell him that she was at her other residence and that she did not know that he was not in that day. Then, SD’s tone softened, and she became much more polite and friendly, and then she agreed to the address change.

Mom was really taken aback by the exchange. She described the SD’s tone as “quite mean” and said that she felt “talked down to,” especially for living in an “apartment” (which she doesn’t lol). I didn’t hear the conversation, but I believe my mom completely because she is a pretty darn intimidating woman in her own right, and she rarely feels belittled by others. But now my mom is so afraid of this woman that she’s going to drop everything from her work (even ending or canceling meetings, if need be) whenever the bracelet arrives so she can sign for it, open the box, and confirm with the SD, who will follow up with a phone call whenever FedEx sends a delivery notification. My mom never gets distracted when WFH, so this is pretty unprecedented. She literally told me “I have to open it immediately, no matter what, because I can’t imagine how upset and mean she’ll get if I can’t confirm that I received it when she calls. I can’t do another tongue-lashing! Not this soon!”

Soooooo, is it just me, or is this crazy? Did my mom do anything wrong here? Does she need to tread lightly around the SD the next time she goes to the store? Or can anyone explain the SD’s perspective here?
It’s not crazy. Your mom didn’t do anything wrong. If they say anything, an expression of gratitude for making an exception to the shipping policy might be nice, but I wouldn’t be worried.

To explain the SD’s perspective, someone they don’t know calling to ask for a package to be sent to an unverified address is a huge red flag of fraud. It’s unfortunate your mom was caught up in this suspicion with a legitimate request, but on the flip side, imagine if it wasn’t your mom who made the call and the bracelet was shipped to some random address after she paid. Your mom would have to go through the process of a chargeback, be unhappy with the store that they didn’t protect her, and the SD could lose their job over something like this.

To most people, this type of fraud is unfathomable and they have no idea that their actions seem suspicious, but this is a very real thing with which companies are having to deal.
 
I’m surprised they agreed to ship it at all, which probably explains the SD’s comment that she would like to cancel the order.

I’m a good, longtime customer of Hermès and I have trouble getting them to ship, even if I’m standing in the store. For them to ship on the basis of a phone call and change the address to one that’s not on the profile or shipped to before, and for a fine jewelry item (which FedEx doesn’t insure, they are third party insured, with different rules, at least in the states) the SD went out on a limb here.

she could have been nicer about it, but I do hope you’ll look at it from her perspective with the information the SD had and the relevant SA unavailable to corroborate. It may well be that the SD was texting that person on the side to verify and that is why her tone changed. Impossible to know.
 
Shipping during the pandemic has gotten very unreliable in some regions with FedEx no longer getting direct signatures. There has been so much fraud and stolen/missing packages that some stores have stopped shipping any item whatsoever (like even a twilly) because if a package is lost, FedEx isn’t taking responsibility and some stores have gotten significantly burned (think, losing hundreds of thousands of dollars). Other stores are requiring high level approval for any shipment over a set amount, as low as $5,000. I’m not standing up for the SD but from their perspective, they were about to send a $12,000 package to some new address not on file with them under your name (I presume). They also were likely annoyed that they would have to void and redo the shipping label when they likely had an entire room filled with boxes being ready for shipment. I’m honestly surprised that they agreed to mail it in the end and I don’t think it’s too much to ask for your mom to confirm receipt when she gets it within a few hours time. The store probably shipped several dozen packages yesterday and I highly doubt the SD has time or care to sit by the screen and watch the tracking on your mother’s package specifically for the second it arrives so I wouldn’t cancel my day over it but a nice “I received the bracelet safely today and love it!” to both your SA and the SD before closing hours will likely be very appreciated. For future reference, it’s always good to confirm all details before paying. It is my understanding that in most stores, the payment links, packing, and shipping, is done by a separate team in the back room and completely out of the hands of the SA.

Thanks for your insight! I don’t think either of us had any idea that the SA doesn’t have any direct involvement with the shipping. I’m sure a lot of the tension over the phone can be attributed to (some very understandable) anxiety. Of course my mom will reach out to both the SA and SD to acknowledge receipt and thank them! I think she was more worried that the SD was going to be right on top of her, given the way that the previous conversation went lol.
 
It’s not crazy. Your mom didn’t do anything wrong. If they say anything, an expression of gratitude for making an exception to the shipping policy might be nice, but I wouldn’t be worried.

To explain the SD’s perspective, someone they don’t know calling to ask for a package to be sent to an unverified address is a huge red flag of fraud. It’s unfortunate your mom was caught up in this suspicion with a legitimate request, but on the flip side, imagine if it wasn’t your mom who made the call and the bracelet was shipped to some random address after she paid. Your mom would have to go through the process of a chargeback, be unhappy with the store that they didn’t protect her, and the SD could lose their job over something like this.

To most people, this type of fraud is unfathomable and they have no idea that their actions seem suspicious, but this is a very real thing with which companies are having to deal.

Oh you make such good points here! It really helps to contextualize the whole situation. We’ve never been privy to much information on the inner workings of these things, so my mom was caught off guard. Of course, without context, it’s easy to think the worst and take things personally, which I think my mom did in this case. Thank you!
 
I’m surprised they agreed to ship it at all, which probably explains the SD’s comment that she would like to cancel the order.

I’m a good, longtime customer of Hermès and I have trouble getting them to ship, even if I’m standing in the store. For them to ship on the basis of a phone call and change the address to one that’s not on the profile or shipped to before, and for a fine jewelry item (which FedEx doesn’t insure, they are third party insured, with different rules, at least in the states) the SD went out on a limb here.

she could have been nicer about it, but I do hope you’ll look at it from her perspective with the information the SD had and the relevant SA unavailable to corroborate. It may well be that the SD was texting that person on the side to verify and that is why her tone changed. Impossible to know.

Truthfully, I don’t think my mom, nor I, for that matter, had any idea of the enormous accommodation that was made by the SD, given that she’s had other things, from SLGs to other fine jewelry pieces, shipped to her without any hassle. It certainly helps put things in perspective. Thank you!

I’ve been relaying everyone’s helpful comments to my mom, and she feels much better and much more informed about the situation. Also, good news: the bracelet was delivered to her this morning, and she loves it! She has sent me half a dozen photos of herself wearing it lol. And yes, she has reached out to both SA and SD to thank them!
 
Truthfully, I don’t think my mom, nor I, for that matter, had any idea of the enormous accommodation that was made by the SD, given that she’s had other things, from SLGs to other fine jewelry pieces, shipped to her without any hassle. It certainly helps put things in perspective. Thank you!

I’ve been relaying everyone’s helpful comments to my mom, and she feels much better and much more informed about the situation. Also, good news: the bracelet was delivered to her this morning, and she loves it! She has sent me half a dozen photos of herself wearing it lol. And yes, she has reached out to both SA and SD to thank them!
So glad she loves her piece and it all worked out!

to be clear I wasn’t saying your mom did anything wrong. She bought an expensive item and expected it to be shipped - totally understandable. I’m guessing it was a confluence of events - the address change, the SA being unavailable, possibly your mom’s panic at wanting to change the address - that accumulated to one thing.

a little killing with kindness to the SD that the bracelet arrived safely would be warranted and look at it this way - the SD certainly knows who your mom is now which could work out nicely in her favor!
 
Hey all! Just wanted to ask you all for some advice as I am beginning my Hermes journey.

I’m based in the US, and currently am in contact with an SA who is a “Selling Supervisor”. I’ve bought a couple of small items through this person and they are friendly enough, to a professional standard. However, I don’t feel a strong connection with them. During an appointment visit, I asked about a high priced watch to look at and possibly purchase if I liked it. They didn’t go through much effort to try to find it for me, saying that stock for everything has been low due to covid— which is understandable. I then asked for rodeos, to which they say stock is low once again, exasperated. Our “appointment” lasted less than 10 minutes and they pretty much led me out after I had picked up my purchase (which they had ordered for me during a previous visit and I had shipped to the store) not letting me browse at other items despite the store being empty on a week day; I was literally the only client in the store. They signaled that my appointment was over by turning their back on me as we are conversing and headed towards the door to take a walk in client.

Later, I texted them to thank them for helping me that day and to keep an eye out for hard to get items since they are low in stock. They never asked me for specifications.

Obviously, I should switch SAs with someone else who I would have a better connection with. But I’m wondering if their position as a “supervisor” would mean anything for the future of my Hermes journey and shopping experiences, especially since I will probably see them around the store as I work with another SA. Also, if I should just stick it out with this one since they are in a “higher” position of the store’s totem pole. Any advice would help! TIA.
 
Hoping for some guidance. I’ve been with my home store for about 5 years. My SA is super sweet and lovely and I thought we had developed a great relationship. I bought several HG bags initially over the first 2-3 years and was offered a SO. I was pretty content with my bag collection, so my last HG purchase was my SO in late 2019. I have continued to shop scarves, shoes, ties, some home goods through the pandemic and 2021 and my SA even told me I could do another SO this fall.

I’ve been on the hunt for a tiny bag like a mini bolide or mini Kelly and feel like she’s been somewhat dismissive and short when I come into shop. I’ve come into buy non-bag items twice over the last month and made appointments with her — however she always seems to have another client scheduled at the same time. I feel rushed and like she’s annoyed with me. She’s been very vague about bags and I feel like I have to really push her. Has anyone else experienced this ?
 
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Hey all! Just wanted to ask you all for some advice as I am beginning my Hermes journey.

I’m based in the US, and currently am in contact with an SA who is a “Selling Supervisor”. I’ve bought a couple of small items through this person and they are friendly enough, to a professional standard. However, I don’t feel a strong connection with them. During an appointment visit, I asked about a high priced watch to look at and possibly purchase if I liked it. They didn’t go through much effort to try to find it for me, saying that stock for everything has been low due to covid— which is understandable. I then asked for rodeos, to which they say stock is low once again, exasperated. Our “appointment” lasted less than 10 minutes and they pretty much led me out after I had picked up my purchase (which they had ordered for me during a previous visit and I had shipped to the store) not letting me browse at other items despite the store being empty on a week day; I was literally the only client in the store. They signaled that my appointment was over by turning their back on me as we are conversing and headed towards the door to take a walk in client.

Later, I texted them to thank them for helping me that day and to keep an eye out for hard to get items since they are low in stock. They never asked me for specifications.

Obviously, I should switch SAs with someone else who I would have a better connection with. But I’m wondering if their position as a “supervisor” would mean anything for the future of my Hermes journey and shopping experiences, especially since I will probably see them around the store as I work with another SA. Also, if I should just stick it out with this one since they are in a “higher” position of the store’s totem pole. Any advice would help! TIA.
From all my experience, these titles don’t matter whatsoever from the client’s POV. They all should have equal say in item distribution and the quota bag distribution still goes through the store manager regardless. “Higher tier” SAs will have more long term clients so even if it is easier for them to pull an item, it would likely go to a higher tier client of theirs anyway. The titles may have some meaning internally as far as extra responsibilities around the store but I’ve never seen it matter in a material way to the customer.
 
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From all my experience, these titles don’t matter whatsoever from the client’s POV. They all should have equal say in item distribution and the quota bag distribution still goes through the store manager regardless. “Higher tier” SAs will have more long term clients so even if it is easier for them to pull an item, it would likely go to a higher tier client of theirs anyway. The titles may have some meaning internally as far as extra responsibilities around the store but I’ve never seen it matter in a material way to the customer.

Thanks for sharing that with me! I thought that their position might hinder/benefit me on my quest for a quota bag. But you’re rightC on the other hand they probably have higher priority clients than me. I asked for a specific rodeo and they pretty much said that each SA only gets allotted 1 or 2 to give out to their clients, and that they had a “long wait list” AKA I’m not getting one. Thanks for the insight again! I will be switching SAs my next visit.
 
Thanks for sharing that with me! I thought that their position might hinder/benefit me on my quest for a quota bag. But you’re rightC on the other hand they probably have higher priority clients than me. I asked for a specific rodeo and they pretty much said that each SA only gets allotted 1 or 2 to give out to their clients, and that they had a “long wait list” AKA I’m not getting one. Thanks for the insight again! I will be switching SAs my next visit.

I wouldn't let a SA response surrounding rodeo availability determine whether or not you are working with the right SA. I have had several quota bag offers, 2 push offers this year alone, etc. and I have only been offered 2 rodeos in my time shopping with my SA despite a lot of persistence and reminders. I love my SA but I absolutely believe them when the availability re: rodeos can often be pretty elusive, particularly in the coveted PM size. Depending on your other interactions w/ your SA, I would appreciate the candidness quite personally.
 
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