Ladies...Any RUDE/CATTY/SNIDE/NASTY Remarks about your Birkins or ANY Hermès Purchase

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spit_fire, that does hurt. I think you may be overpersonalizing the events, though. I would guess that both of your friends actually do know that you are a good, generous, and fiscally-responsible person, but both are. . . jealous. For their own unique reasons, they could both use more disposable income in their lives, and they--unkindly--are using you as an emblem of their own issues. Jealousy is an awful emotion; it blinds us to everything except our own dissatisfaction. I am speaking from experience here: There was a time when my jealously almost ruined a relationship and my feelings about the envied other were 99% projection--images of my own insecurity and unhappiness--totally unrelated to who she really was. Please understand that I am not excusing their rudeness, just saying that their remarks represent where THEY are right now, and not who YOU are. And I suspect that deep down, they both know this, but that green-eyed monster can really distort our thinking.
 
spit_fire, that does hurt. I think you may be overpersonalizing the events, though. I would guess that both of your friends actually do know that you are a good, generous, and fiscally-responsible person, but both are. . . jealous. For their own unique reasons, they could both use more disposable income in their lives, and they--unkindly--are using you as an emblem of their own issues. Jealousy is an awful emotion; it blinds us to everything except our own dissatisfaction. I am speaking from experience here: There was a time when my jealously almost ruined a relationship and my feelings about the envied other were 99% projection--images of my own insecurity and unhappiness--totally unrelated to who she really was. Please understand that I am not excusing their rudeness, just saying that their remarks represent where THEY are right now, and not who YOU are. And I suspect that deep down, they both know this, but that green-eyed monster can really distort our thinking.

Very insightful, Mindi.
 
Some people are nasty and jealous--but thankfully most folks I encounter on the streets and in stores, even at work, walk up to me and say "nice bag", or "I want one" or "I wish I could find one." These are perfect strangers to me. And as another poster mentioned, this happens even when I turn the bag toward my body, hiding it's front and brand, am in a NorthFace coat (cold in DC right now!) and sans heels, etc. I'm talking Lanvin or Ferragamo flats which most don't recognize. But that's all good, I get much love from strangers who generally ask me where I got a, b, or c. And usually, I tell them. For me, it's been the folks that I actually consider solid acquaintances or friends that make me pause and shake my head. Two female friends of mine, within a week of each other, said things to me that literally rocked me back, because I consider them solid friends. As a matter of course, i wear a B in the day time, and transfer to a clutch or other "evening"-type bag at night. And in the day, I alternate Bs according to my clothing, shoes, etc. match them with a scarf, add on some gems and viola, I'm ready to face the world. And I like a classic look so everything is understated. So, last month, right before Christmas, when I went to lunch with one of my friends, she said--"You always look like a million bucks but don't you think you spend too much on items?" I just stared at her, speechless. **What I wanted to say was "Hello, I have every retirement vehicle available, including a guaranteed pension, health care paid for in perpetuity, and own my own homes. What??!!" But I didn't say anything and just changed the subject. That got to me because I analyzed it as "does she think I'm silly or stupid--that I'm just blindly buying things or spending on credit or something?? And has she thought this the entire time we have been friends?? For Christmas, I gave her a pair of 18kt coffee bean and emerald earrings that I purchased in Colombia--that nation's two main economic trade engines--she took them, excitedly. But I felt bad. I have not seen or heard from her as yet and, as noted, this happened last month. My other friend and I were on the Hill (she used to work there-since she was 25 yrs old and had worked both the Senate and House side)--and now was quite comfortable in her new highly paid job which leverages her knowledge and contacts therein. Well, we were walking to the trolley in the underground "subway" on the Hill when she told me of some family issues she was dealing with (divorce, etc.) and then blurted out that all of the bags and most of the jewelry I have could, individually, put all three of her children through school (i.e. college). I politely smiled and said nothing but inside I was dying. I just could not believe it. I didn't know if she was trying to be funny or just making some point but it really made me ill. The notion that I was blindly spending money on something I should not be buying because it was too expensive to her was (and is) ridiculous to me. The correlation between a material item and a college education made me feel bad. I really had a moment when I asked "do my friends think I'm dumb, materialistic, or both??" To top all of this off, I had bought her a Burberry jacket and H bracelet for Christmas--which she gladly took! In any case, I have yet to see her as well since this incident. While I don't give up friendships easily, I am somewhat leery about being around either of them. What am I supposed to do--throw out my closet? And I will continue to buy what I want (that won't change) but my relationship with them may....and despite all of this I really do not believe they were being mean or malicious, but I just felt like saying, wow....you should know me by now: People then Possessions.....sheesh.....
You sound like a very generous woman, and a very good friend. Wanna move to my street? I have a place to put you and everything.

This is such a stickey wicket. Money/stuff and friends, siblings, family is terribly complicated......................especially when it is brought to your door. I never loan money; if I can I would give it, but calling in a loan is painful, therefore in the spirit of good mental health - I do not loan things.

Maybe the root issue is that if someone wants me for my stuff, or to get stuff from me, what do they really want from ME? So, why am I wasting my time?

I am really sorry for this experience. Maybe a little "breather" from these friends and perhaps some new people? Pls PM any time, I have had many people disappoint me, and many surprise me, the good news is that now you know, you can make an assesment and go forth!
 
You sound like a very generous woman, and a very good friend. Wanna move to my street? I have a place to put you and everything.

This is such a stickey wicket. Money/stuff and friends, siblings, family is terribly complicated......................especially when it is brought to your door. I never loan money; if I can I would give it, but calling in a loan is painful, therefore in the spirit of good mental health - I do not loan things.

Maybe the root issue is that if someone wants me for my stuff, or to get stuff from me, what do they really want from ME? So, why am I wasting my time?

I am really sorry for this experience. Maybe a little "breather" from these friends and perhaps some new people? Pls PM any time, I have had many people disappoint me, and many surprise me, the good news is that now you know, you can make an assesment and go forth!
Oh, a last thought, why did she have to say those things to you? Was she being a real bud and saying: "right now my life is not great, it sucks,.....and I wish I had what you had, YOUR life looks so perfect!"................ Instead, in the interest of civility, friendship, and being "un-rude" you had to swallow down your feelings. What would be the worst thing to happen if you "told it like it is"! best, bonnie
 
It's so interesting to read through the thread and see such different experiences we have all had with luxury goods. IMO, it's NEVER ok for someone of "higher means" to insult someone of "lesser means", therefore, it is NEVER ok for someone of "lesser means" to insult someone of "higher means". There are always people that are more fortunate than I and there will always be people that are less fortunate. BUT when I encounter someone who is more fortunate, I do not look condescendingly on their 500k bracelet & make comments such as, "I could've paid half my mortgage with that!" I usually compliment, if appropriate. But that's just me! :-) And if someone hits me with a snide remark I may choose to ignore or I may choose to respond w sarcasm. I'm not perfect! My therapist brain usually yells at me when I retort back with a snitty remark but my non-therapist brain gets miffed later on if I feel I didn't stand up for myself & my beliefs. Sometimes it can be a catch 22.
 
But if saying something rude to a stranger doesn't define you as a rude person, what does? Rude is as rude does. And if we don't know her circumstances, neither does she know ours--We may be ill, or have a recent bereavement, or any of thousands of sorrows that affect everyone. The cashier's remark was wildly inappropriate under any circumstances. Love4H, I so admire your forbearance, but I also feel that if we always struggle to excuse boorish behavior we end up encouraging it.

OMG, Mindi, I always love your views on the world! :hugs: ITA with this sentiment. Sometimes, folks just need to be reminded that real life isn't like blogging, where people feel free to say whatever is on their mind with no filters! :tdown:
 
I have to weigh in 'cause this is something I have struggled with for a long time. IMO: 1) Alana should not ask Bonnie what Bonnie paid for something (Alana may not like the answer and then makes Bonnie the BAD guy - it is RUDE to ask some one re: costs. When was the last time someone asked you what your mtg was? Vacation? Jewelry? etc. Investment portfolio? etc.

2) WHERE does it stop? If Alana can not afford something, or chooses to spend HER money in another way that's okay, but I do not believe A gets to dump on B. Why should Bonnie have to tolerate this? B merely made personal choices re: B's life style. A gets to make her personal choices. NOW granted, few of us are equally beautiful, smart, rich, ......blah, blah, blah..............but you have to work hard and play the hand that you have been given. If you don't like that, convince the guy in the Rules Dept. that you are the exception!

3) People can be NASTY and jealous. Case in point my kids hockey gear. I buy my kid the best hockey gear out there. Why? I want to mitigate physical damage. My kid, my biz, but yet my kid gets endlessly razzed about money and how spoiled he is! He has had two hockey sticks compromised - broken. I have heard other similar stories. Why would you want to compromise the safety of someone's gear? What kind of mentality would risk getting caught and possibly arrested? In the same vein why would someone call CPS and report Beyonce for drinking a beer while she had her infants with her? With all of those security guards in her entourage did this really have anything to do with the infant's safety? FYI: CPS has evolved into one of the UGLIEST forms of harrassment out there! So what to do? Be aware. Not preaching, but I have found that living on Wysteria Lane was an experience I was NOT trained for, ......I am a nice girl from up state NY who wore a uniform and went to Catholic school. I guess one could "Just give everyone a tiara and let them all be the Winner(s)?" or, we could just believe "in thine ownself be true" and take responsiblity for our own stuff or lack thereof. sorry for the tome, with best regards to all, Bonnie

Some people are nasty and jealous--but thankfully most folks I encounter on the streets and in stores, even at work, walk up to me and say "nice bag", or "I want one" or "I wish I could find one." These are perfect strangers to me. And as another poster mentioned, this happens even when I turn the bag toward my body, hiding it's front and brand, am in a NorthFace coat (cold in DC right now!) and sans heels, etc. I'm talking Lanvin or Ferragamo flats which most don't recognize. But that's all good, I get much love from strangers who generally ask me where I got a, b, or c. And usually, I tell them. For me, it's been the folks that I actually consider solid acquaintances or friends that make me pause and shake my head. Two female friends of mine, within a week of each other, said things to me that literally rocked me back, because I consider them solid friends. As a matter of course, i wear a B in the day time, and transfer to a clutch or other "evening"-type bag at night. And in the day, I alternate Bs according to my clothing, shoes, etc. match them with a scarf, add on some gems and viola, I'm ready to face the world. And I like a classic look so everything is understated. So, last month, right before Christmas, when I went to lunch with one of my friends, she said--"You always look like a million bucks but don't you think you spend too much on items?" I just stared at her, speechless. **What I wanted to say was "Hello, I have every retirement vehicle available, including a guaranteed pension, health care paid for in perpetuity, and own my own homes. What??!!" But I didn't say anything and just changed the subject. That got to me because I analyzed it as "does she think I'm silly or stupid--that I'm just blindly buying things or spending on credit or something?? And has she thought this the entire time we have been friends?? For Christmas, I gave her a pair of 18kt coffee bean and emerald earrings that I purchased in Colombia--that nation's two main economic trade engines--she took them, excitedly. But I felt bad. I have not seen or heard from her as yet and, as noted, this happened last month. My other friend and I were on the Hill (she used to work there-since she was 25 yrs old and had worked both the Senate and House side)--and now was quite comfortable in her new highly paid job which leverages her knowledge and contacts therein. Well, we were walking to the trolley in the underground "subway" on the Hill when she told me of some family issues she was dealing with (divorce, etc.) and then blurted out that all of the bags and most of the jewelry I have could, individually, put all three of her children through school (i.e. college). I politely smiled and said nothing but inside I was dying. I just could not believe it. I didn't know if she was trying to be funny or just making some point but it really made me ill. The notion that I was blindly spending money on something I should not be buying because it was too expensive to her was (and is) ridiculous to me. The correlation between a material item and a college education made me feel bad. I really had a moment when I asked "do my friends think I'm dumb, materialistic, or both??" To top all of this off, I had bought her a Burberry jacket and H bracelet for Christmas--which she gladly took! In any case, I have yet to see her as well since this incident. While I don't give up friendships easily, I am somewhat leery about being around either of them. What am I supposed to do--throw out my closet? And I will continue to buy what I want (that won't change) but my relationship with them may....and despite all of this I really do not believe they were being mean or malicious, but I just felt like saying, wow....you should know me by now: People then Possessions.....sheesh.....

Oh wow spitfire that's rough. I do feel guilty when in certain places and my mind starts to make comparables but I've never had friends say anything like this.
We are renovating a brownstone and every penny is scrutinized in my mind....,
DH needs new sneakers and to me right now j see that equate to a bathroom lamp!!!

The fact they both accepted your gifts with excitement and have known you years and suddenly this comes from to me that this is a bit odd rather than rude.

Do they know each other? Could they possibly have been discussing the divorce and a flippant comment by o e of them festered in both their minds and that's how it came out? Did the gifting happen before or after the comments?

Maybe they are genuinely concerned about your financial health?


Maybe you need a sit down with both of them to lay it out for them.
1. You were a bit taken aback and hurt by the comments
1. if they Are concerned about you, they don't need to be, financially you are secure.
2. I've they are uncomfortable with how you spend then what's their suggestion?
Can they get past it ?
Limits on gift values?
Less time together?
If they can't get past it then no time together?

Friend 2 clearly has a lit on her mind and was probably projecting her own fears on you and may have no idea what she said or how it could hurt.

Friend 1 was much more direct but also mAy have something going on.... and defy needs to be reminded that such questions are not really appropriate and made you feel really uncomfortable.

It is so sad that we women are often judged and wrongly perceived on visible (and often imagined) assets rather than attributes or even actions ... actions that seem extravagant to some are merely a practical lifestyle formula for others. I've had my (un)fair share of undue curiosity, jealousy, sheer nastiness and even obsessional strangers and "frenemies" but am always comforted by two sayings, "No man is an island" and "Not all fingers are equal" Between these two, and the age old Do unto others as you would have them do .. somehow one copes with slightly lowered expectations of loyalty, kindness etc, but with a fairly serene smile, and then, every so often, one comes across such truly inspirational lovely and kind-spirited individuals that the unpleasant encounters are greatly diminished. Such is life.
 
i have been lurking reading this thread, i will start by saying that i come from the other side of the fence, honestly, a H bag is totally out of my price range (although when i count my addiction could have bought a kelly:shame:)

why would i grudge anyone the fact that they can afford H? i have no idea of your background, is your wealth is inherited,stolen,the result of hard work,savings,etc. what i see in your arm (neck,fingers,etc) is an object of beauty not an object of envy.

i had a really nice experience with a customer once, she was carrying a kelly on which i commented saying that it was the first one i saw IRL and how beautiful it was, she was quite gracious, it was a present from her family for her 40th and she let me try it! we spoke about the craftsmanship, the lines of the bag, the materials. i enjoyed the chat with her, she treated me like an equal and didn't give herself airs.
i have served customers waltzing in with screeching fake bags or real ones that treated me and my colleagues like we were ignorant, dropped hints of how loaded they were and haggled the price of high end items. i had also customers carrying fake bags that have treated us with grace and consideration, same with customers carrying real high end bags.

where i am going with this loooooong post: enjoy your bags ladies, they are there to be admired and they are not a reflection of who you are inside or a critique of how you choose to live your life, for me they are just that: a beautifully crafted object to be admired, to congratulate their owner and to have a chat about the history, the materials or simply how har is to get one!

and if i win lotto i am sooo getting a picotin! :smile1:
 
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This thread has gotten really boring, no more fun "rude" stories. Just debate after debate about whats right and wrong....

Sometimes discussing rude remarks from others/stories brings out the opinions of others about what they would do in a similar situation. It can also elicit responses from others that have strong feelings about the way others have been treated. To be expected with a topic such as this, no?
 
It is so sad that we women are often judged and wrongly perceived on visible (and often imagined) assets rather than attributes or even actions ... actions that seem extravagant to some are merely a practical lifestyle formula for others. I've had my (un)fair share of undue curiosity, jealousy, sheer nastiness and even obsessional strangers and "frenemies" but am always comforted by two sayings, "No man is an island" and "Not all fingers are equal" Between these two, and the age old Do unto others as you would have them do .. somehow one copes with slightly lowered expectations of loyalty, kindness etc, but with a fairly serene smile, and then, every so often, one comes across such truly inspirational lovely and kind-spirited individuals that the unpleasant encounters are greatly diminished. Such is life.

Thank you for your words of wisdom. This really did bother me because I would give either one of them the shirt off my back in a heartbeat. And your last two sentences ring so true, and is basically the reason why I smile each day. I am simply happy because I have all 5 major senses and can be independent and self-sufficient. After watching a considerable number of people in my life get ill and/or have to rely on others, trust me, I completely recognize that it's those things in life that matter. What made me rock back was I really thought these would be the last two people who would judge me by perceived assets rather than attributes/actions. SMH....I think I will definitely take Hermesforlife's advice and speak to both of them, individually, on what motivated them to say the things they did and to just get an idea of where we stand....I don't want to give up friendships with either of them, but I also don't want to be judged when I am with them. So, I will tell them how I feel and move on from there. This has never ever happened to me, not with family and not with friends (until now).
 
spit_fire, that does hurt. I think you may be overpersonalizing the events, though. I would guess that both of your friends actually do know that you are a good, generous, and fiscally-responsible person, but both are. . . jealous. For their own unique reasons, they could both use more disposable income in their lives, and they--unkindly--are using you as an emblem of their own issues. Jealousy is an awful emotion; it blinds us to everything except our own dissatisfaction. I am speaking from experience here: There was a time when my jealously almost ruined a relationship and my feelings about the envied other were 99% projection--images of my own insecurity and unhappiness--totally unrelated to who she really was. Please understand that I am not excusing their rudeness, just saying that their remarks represent where THEY are right now, and not who YOU are. And I suspect that deep down, they both know this, but that green-eyed monster can really distort our thinking.

I think you're exactly right --I have been friends with both of them for over 8 years--and until now, they have never so much as hinted at me overspending or anything related to this....thus, my surprise....I think I caught them in the moment, as you say "where they are right now." But wow, my heart dropped into my stomach both times....it really hurt. I appreciate your directness because it actually makes me feel much better about the situation. I have never heard a situation like this explained from the perspective you outlined. I also happen to agree with your assessment and hope to speak with both of them in the coming weeks.
 
You sound like a very generous woman, and a very good friend. Wanna move to my street? I have a place to put you and everything.

This is such a stickey wicket. Money/stuff and friends, siblings, family is terribly complicated......................especially when it is brought to your door. I never loan money; if I can I would give it, but calling in a loan is painful, therefore in the spirit of good mental health - I do not loan things.

Maybe the root issue is that if someone wants me for my stuff, or to get stuff from me, what do they really want from ME? So, why am I wasting my time?

I am really sorry for this experience. Maybe a little "breather" from these friends and perhaps some new people? Pls PM any time, I have had many people disappoint me, and many surprise me, the good news is that now you know, you can make an assesment and go forth!

Exactly...and thank you. I appreciate your humor and wise words. I cherish those I consider friends....and I'm generous because I truly do love and care about them. This is the very first time this has happened to me (yes, at this late stage) so I can only imagine what it must feel like to have it happen multiple times. Sheesh. Not cool, at all. But thank you again. Wonderful tips and advice.
 
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