Holly Madison, Hugh Hefner, Bridget Marquardt and Kendra Wilkinson

[scarlet555]

Dirty job from the get go so what's the crap about being in an abusive relationship! U don't get paid in a relationship and if u do its not even a relationship. In a normal work setting don't sleep with ur boss. In this settings she's getting paid to sleep with her boss and now wants to make money out of it and has to make it so she's the victim instead of a prostitute. That's my take.

 

[Sassys]

Dirty job from the get go so what's the crap about being in an abusive relationship! U don't get paid in a relationship and if u do its not even a relationship. In a normal work setting don't sleep with ur boss. In this settings she's getting paid to sleep with her boss and now wants to make money out of it and has to make it so she's the victim instead of a prostitute. That's my take.

Basically. Kendra said in her book, he was told the rules and allowance from day one. I'm sure Holly was also told the rules and could have bounced if she didn't like them. Kendra didn't bounce, because she admitted, she came from nothing and wanted the $1000 a week allowance plus free room and board. She also said, she didn't mind sleeping with Hef for 10min 1-2 times a week. She owned up to what she was doing.

 

[LavenderIce]

I have experience with a controlling man (my ex was and I stupidly put up with it for almost 2yrs, then I snapped and left. We didn't live together so it was easy breezy to bounce). You bounce if you don't like it, which I did. She wanted to be in that house (she strived for it for years), she could have saved her allowance and bounced at any time. If he was so abusive why was she trying like hell to marry him and have his children.

Exactly. She was ambitious and trying to make herself indispensable. Being head GF wasn't enough. She was working at the magazine and she wanted to have his children and get wifed up. I don't make her out to be a victim in this at all.

 

[lh211]

with a husband and wife, there is usually love and one-on-one commitment. There are compromises which could include a husband or wife telling the spouse they aren't OK with them staying out late partying with friends, etc. (could be viewed as a curfew)
This situation was more like a harem.
The girls were obviously in it for the perks - probably the biggest one being fame.
She got her fame, her stint on Dancing With The Stars, etc - and she left. Now she wants to milk it with a book Doesn't bother me but I don't think many people will spend money on it.

Yep.

But it wasn't a man and wife -- it was a woman who agreed to get paid for sex. She could leave anytime she wanted -- without a divorce lawyer!

+1. Exactly what I was saying.

I have experience with a controlling man (my ex was and I stupidly put up with it for almost 2yrs, then I snapped and left. We didn't live together so it was easy breezy to bounce). You bounce if you don't like it, which I did. She wanted to be in that house (she strived for it for years), she could have saved her allowance and bounced at any time. If he was so abusive why was she trying like hell to marry him and have his children.

This.

 

[bisousx]

Are you saying that it's justified to be abused by an adult if they're paying that person's bills?

Nah, you're confusing my statement - I don't think anyone deserves to be abused. However, if you willingly put yourself in that situation, then I won't feel sorry for you.

You said it yourself - Hef's an old perv who made his millions off a business that exposes and exploits women. So what do you expect when you shack up with a shady guy in a shady arrangement... "paid girlfriend". That's actually a generous term for these girls. They're prostitutes. At least own up to it like Kendra.

If you put yourself and stay in a situation because you can't let go of the luxuries and the fame, don't cry wolf.

 

[DC-Cutie]

Nah, you're confusing my statement - I don't think anyone deserves to be abused. However, if you willingly put yourself in that situation, then I won't feel sorry for you.

You said it yourself - Hef's an old perv who made his millions off a business that exposes and exploits women. So what do you expect when you shack up with a shady guy in a shady arrangement... "paid girlfriend". That's actually a generous term for these girls. They're prostitutes. At least own up to it like Kendra.

If you put yourself and stay in a situation because you can't let go of the luxuries and the fame, don't cry wolf.

there you have it...

Holly is just pissed that nearly as soon as she left, he married someone else.

 

[Sweetpea83]

But it wasn't a man and wife -- it was a woman who agreed to get paid for sex. She could leave anytime she wanted -- without a divorce lawyer!

Yes!!!!

 

[knics33]

I think both sides are accurate... I have no doubt the mansion was just as miserable as all these memoirs make it out to be. And Hef is the epitome of weirdo, Peter Pan syndrome creep, etc. But as the same token, I watched the show years ago and Holly was clearly crazy about him... she legit wanted to marry and have a baby. She was also clearly annoyed as f*ck with Kendra 99% of the time... I think simply bc Kendra wasn't that crazy about Hef/didn't let her emotions get involved, life of the party, people liked her, etc. She came across as envious of Kendra. I think she liked Bridget bc she stayed in her lane and seemed to be the "least favorite" of Hef's... I have a feeling he only kept her around to ease the tension of Holly and Kendra and bc Holly wanted her there. When he switched up and proposed to the new main chick, you could tell Holly was definitely scorned IMO.

I know she dipped out right before the marriage, but didn't she come back and they ended up going through with the wedding? Holly begged for a ring and the second the new main girl came along, she pretty quickly got one... you could practically see the steam come out of her ears whenever she was interviewed about it.

I have a feeling that once Hef passes away, people will be coming out of the woodwork with memoirs/tell alls... from the kitchen staff to the security. And I have a feeling they will have more dirt on the mansion than the scorned ex girlfriends.

 

[Sassys]

A lot of you are calling Hef a perv; but how is he a perv if women willing pose naked for him for a paycheck. Last time I checked, women would kill to be in playboy and no one is forcing them to do it. You can't exploit someone who asked to be in the magazine.

A perv is a man who gets women to get naked, promises them things and it never happens. Playboy pays for all their models.

 

[knics33]

Ehh... having multiple girlfriends who are young enough to be your granddaughters is just gross and the definition of perverted to me... but yeah all the women were consenting absolutely. I don't think the whole situation is black/white.... he's a creep just as much as a lot of these women were money hungry, insanely insecure, users, etc.

And I don't think women are dying to get into Playboy anymore... haven't been in a looong time. Playboy is not at all what it used to be. It's "classified" porn now IMO.

 

[blackkitty4378]

with a husband and wife, there is usually love and one-on-one commitment. There are compromises which could include a husband or wife telling the spouse they aren't OK with them staying out late partying with friends, etc. (could be viewed as a curfew)
This situation was more like a harem.
The girls were obviously in it for the perks - probably the biggest one being fame.
She got her fame, her stint on Dancing With The Stars, etc - and she left. Now she wants to milk it with a book Doesn't bother me but I don't think many people will spend money on it.

Even if there are compromises like you said "I don't want you staying out late and partying" that's different than having a curfew. A curfew is what a parent gives a child. Or a controlling partner.

There certainly are perks in that kind of set up… but I don't think it's as luxurious as people are making it seem.

Has it occurred to you while maybe she is milking it with a book, she's writing her story at the same time and it's true? Others (not you) were saying that they think she could be lying in this book and I don't think she is. That's all I'm saying.

But it wasn't a man and wife -- it was a woman who agreed to get paid for sex. She could leave anytime she wanted -- without a divorce lawyer!

I was just asking because of the statement you made. A lot of women who are gold diggers will actually marry someone like this (Hefner did marry I believe), and people will say it's okay because hey he's paying the bills, he has the right to do whatever he wants and treat her however. It's her fault, she put herself in his way, right? I disagree. I think he's still at fault. I don't think giving someone money or supporting them financially gives them a free pass for their behavior… yet a lot of people do.

People are often quick to judge people who stay in abusive relationships, asking them why they stayed, why they put up with it, etc., and don't ask "Why did that person abuse?" or in this case "Why is this creepy old man obviously preying on young women, and taking advantage of them when they have drug addictions or come from horrible backgrounds?" There's another side to the coin which people often don't think of, and I was just trying to get people to think about that.

I have experience with a controlling man (my ex was and I stupidly put up with it for almost 2yrs, then I snapped and left. We didn't live together so it was easy breezy to bounce). You bounce if you don't like it, which I did. She wanted to be in that house (she strived for it for years), she could have saved her allowance and bounced at any time. If he was so abusive why was she trying like hell to marry him and have his children.

I'm glad you were able to leave and you did the right thing. Holly stayed for her own reasons, probably because she thought she would get something out of it. She seemingly regrets it and is now telling her story. That's all I'm saying.

Others were saying that they think she could be lying… and I was like This guy is such a creep… how do you not believe that he was giving her drugs and emotionally abusive? At least give her the benefit of the doubt. I get that she's a gold digger, but at the same time, what she's saying about him just makes sense. People are quick to criticize her but not Hefner for taking advantage of women who have drug addictions and come from bad backgrounds? I think he's at fault and deserves some criticizing too.

Nah, you're confusing my statement - I don't think anyone deserves to be abused. However, if you willingly put yourself in that situation, then I won't feel sorry for you.

You said it yourself - Hef's an old perv who made his millions off a business that exposes and exploits women. So what do you expect when you shack up with a shady guy in a shady arrangement... "paid girlfriend". That's actually a generous term for these girls. They're prostitutes. At least own up to it like Kendra.

If you put yourself and stay in a situation because you can't let go of the luxuries and the fame, don't cry wolf.

I don't think she's crying wolf. I think it is what it is and she's telling her story. I think she realizes the mistakes she made, regrets it, and is now writing about it. "Cautionary Tales of a Former Playboy Bunny" suggests that she's just saying "Don't do what I did" not "Poor me." She can write about the bad things that he did (because let's face it, he's a pervert) while still accepting blame and responsibility for her own actions. I haven't read the book yet obviously.

 

[sdkitty]

Even if there are compromises like you said "I don't want you staying out late and partying" that's different than having a curfew. A curfew is what a parent gives a child. Or a controlling partner.

There certainly are perks in that kind of set up… but I don't think it's as luxurious as people are making it seem.

Has it occurred to you while maybe she is milking it with a book, she's writing her story at the same time and it's true? Others (not you) were saying that they think she could be lying in this book and I don't think she is. That's all I'm saying.



I was just asking because of the statement you made. A lot of women who are gold diggers will actually marry someone like this (Hefner did marry I believe), and people will say it's okay because hey he's paying the bills, he has the right to do whatever he wants and treat her however. It's her fault, she put herself in his way, right? I disagree. I think he's still at fault. I don't think giving someone money or supporting them financially gives them a free pass for their behavior… yet a lot of people do.

People are often quick to judge people who stay in abusive relationships, asking them why they stayed, why they put up with it, etc., and don't ask "Why did that person abuse?" or in this case "Why is this creepy old man obviously preying on young women, and taking advantage of them when they have drug addictions or come from horrible backgrounds?" There's another side to the coin which people often don't think of, and I was just trying to get people to think about that.



I'm glad you were able to leave and you did the right thing. Holly stayed for her own reasons, probably because she thought she would get something out of it. She seemingly regrets it and is now telling her story. That's all I'm saying.

Others were saying that they think she could be lying… and I was like This guy is such a creep… how do you not believe that he was giving her drugs and emotionally abusive? At least give her the benefit of the doubt. I get that she's a gold digger, but at the same time, what she's saying about him just makes sense. People are quick to criticize her but not Hefner for taking advantage of women who have drug addictions and come from bad backgrounds? I think he's at fault and deserves some criticizing too.



I don't think she's crying wolf. I think it is what it is and she's telling her story. I think she realizes the mistakes she made, regrets it, and is now writing about it. "Cautionary Tales of a Former Playboy Bunny" suggests that she's just saying "Don't do what I did" not "Poor me." She can write about the bad things that he did (because let's face it, he's a pervert) while still accepting blame and responsibility for her own actions. I haven't read the book yet obviously.

I don't necessarily think she's lying. If she says (don't know if she does) that she was in love with him, I'd find that hard to believe.
I understand she writes that she strongly dislikes Kendra.....not sure if that's deserved or not. I've never watched their reality show.....I did see her on Dancing With the Stars and found her unappealing.
If she wants to make money off her experience with him, I don't care. But I do think that's her main motivation.

 

[Sassys]

Even if there are compromises like you said "I don't want you staying out late and partying" that's different than having a curfew. A curfew is what a parent gives a child. Or a controlling partner.

There certainly are perks in that kind of set up… but I don't think it's as luxurious as people are making it seem.

Has it occurred to you while maybe she is milking it with a book, she's writing her story at the same time and it's true? Others (not you) were saying that they think she could be lying in this book and I don't think she is. That's all I'm saying.



I was just asking because of the statement you made. A lot of women who are gold diggers will actually marry someone like this (Hefner did marry I believe), and people will say it's okay because hey he's paying the bills, he has the right to do whatever he wants and treat her however. It's her fault, she put herself in his way, right? I disagree. I think he's still at fault. I don't think giving someone money or supporting them financially gives them a free pass for their behavior… yet a lot of people do.

People are often quick to judge people who stay in abusive relationships, asking them why they stayed, why they put up with it, etc., and don't ask "Why did that person abuse?" or in this case "Why is this creepy old man obviously preying on young women, and taking advantage of them when they have drug addictions or come from horrible backgrounds?" There's another side to the coin which people often don't think of, and I was just trying to get people to think about that.



I'm glad you were able to leave and you did the right thing. Holly stayed for her own reasons, probably because she thought she would get something out of it. She seemingly regrets it and is now telling her story. That's all I'm saying.

Others were saying that they think she could be lying… and I was like This guy is such a creep… how do you not believe that he was giving her drugs and emotionally abusive? At least give her the benefit of the doubt. I get that she's a gold digger, but at the same time, what she's saying about him just makes sense. People are quick to criticize her but not Hefner for taking advantage of women who have drug addictions and come from bad backgrounds? I think he's at fault and deserves some criticizing too.



I don't think she's crying wolf. I think it is what it is and she's telling her story. I think she realizes the mistakes she made, regrets it, and is now writing about it. "Cautionary Tales of a Former Playboy Bunny" suggests that she's just saying "Don't do what I did" not "Poor me." She can write about the bad things that he did (because let's face it, he's a pervert) while still accepting blame and responsibility for her own actions. I haven't read the book yet obviously.

Again, Hef did not chain them up and say you can't leave. Just like my ex said to me when I snapped and told him I could no longer put up with his selfishness and controlling ways (what I wore, who my friends were, when I went out). His response was, you can leave at anytime; so I said you are 100% right and I left him. What kind of person claims it was so bad there and he was so bad, yet tries for years to get him to marry her and have a baby with him. A woman who knew, he will be dead soon enough and as his wife I get money and having his child I get money. Also, Holly did not come from a bad background. She always talked about what a great childhood she had. She said Alaska was not glamorous enough for her and she wanted fame ( her words from E true Hollywood story).

A smart woman would have saved her $4k a month allowance and the money she made from their show and bounced if it was so bad. I also recall the first season of that show Kendra had a dental assistant job, therefore he didn't have a problem with them working or going to school, so she could have gotten more money by working. Holly wants to sell books and play the victim. I've been in the media business for 15years, she is doing exactly what we tell authors to do. Give them a taste so they will buy.

 

[blackkitty4378]

Again, Hef did not chain them up and say you can't leave. Just like my ex said to me when I snapped and told him I could no longer put up with his selfishness and controlling ways (what I wore, who my friends were, when I went out). His response was, you can leave at anytime; so I said you are 100% right and I left him. What kind of person claims it was so bad there and he was so bad, yet tries for years to get him to marry her and have a baby with him. A woman who knew, he will be dead soon enough and as his wife I get money and having his child I get money. Also, Holly did not come from a bad background. She always talked about what a great childhood she had. She said Alaska was not glamorous enough for her and she wanted fame ( her words from E true Hollywood story).

A smart woman would have saved her $4k a month allowance and the money she made from their show and bounced if it was so bad. I also recall the first season of that show Kendra had a dental assistant job, therefore he didn't have a problem with them working or going to school, so she could have gotten more money by working. Holly wants to sell books and play the victim. I've been in the media business for 15years, she is doing exactly what we tell authors to do. Give them a taste so they will buy.

I don't think she's playing the victim. I think she's saying she did what she did and now she regrets it. She can write about the things that Hefner did wrong at the same time.

I was mostly talking about Kendra, who came from a bad background. Hefner obviously took advantage of these girls, by giving them drugs, a place to stay, money to buy things, so he probably felt justified treating them however he wanted. I don't think that's right.

So if I have children, for example, and I'm paying for a roof over their head, buying them foods, clothes, etc., does that give me free reign to treat them however I want? I don't think so. I'm the one who made that choice, I decided to have those children and support them, and I still have the responsibility to act like a decent human being. If not, then I'm at fault. I can't pull the whole "Well I pay for everything for you" card. Not acceptable IMO.

Hefner still had responsibility to act like a decent person, despite the fact that he was supporting them financially.

 

[Sassys]

I don't think she's playing the victim. I think she's saying she did what she did and now she regrets it. She can write about the things that Hefner did wrong at the same time.

I was mostly talking about Kendra, who came from a bad background. Hefner obviously took advantage of these girls, by giving them drugs, a place to stay, money to buy things, so he probably felt justified treating them however he wanted. I don't think that's right.

So if I have children, for example, and I'm paying for a roof over their head, buying them foods, clothes, etc., does that give me free reign to treat them however I want? I don't think so. I'm the one who made that choice, I decided to have those children and support them, and I still have the responsibility to act like a decent human being. If not, then I'm at fault. I can't pull the whole "Well I pay for everything for you" card. Not acceptable IMO.

Hefner still had responsibility to act like a decent person, despite the fact that he was supporting them financially.

Uh, how in the world can you compare children to grown women?

Everyone has ruled in their house (no shoes in mine, no eating in the bedrooms, no laying on my bed with your street clothes on, no sleeping on my bed, that is why there is a guestroom). If you don't like the rules bounce. They are grown women and it was his house. You don't like it here bounce. But nope, they wanted the money and free plastic surgery.

You compaiting then to children you had doesn't even make sense.