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Continued from previous post, read previous post first
OK, I am picking nits saying that LVDGN was 2003AW not 2004, it most certainly was in the stores in Jan 2004. Why bother with this?
People pester for EXACT dates on designs. LOL
But, the available information (internet, independent & even Hermes-produced books) contain errors.
The little scarf booklets do NOT tell you when a scarf was FIRST issued. Nor do they7 have ALL the designs.
Heck the internet databases are all copies one of another, errors propagate. How do you think they were compiled? Lots of anecdotal info: I bought my LVDGN in 2004 ...
Hermes is not known for their meticulous attention to the accuracy of advertising booklets, their web site, the speeches made at Festival des metiers etc.
Different people have different dates: I belive 2003AW to be the correct date for LVDGN even tho no one else does LOL
So, the moral of the story is IMO, knowing the scarf date to within +/- 5 or 10 years is pretty good. LVDGN is a pretty good example of that and it only came out a decade ago ...
So, that 's my story and I am sticking to it, no one has to agree with me, I am a big believer that we can agree to disagree
 
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marietouchet said:
Continued from previous post, read previous post first
OK, I am picking nits saying that LVDGN was 2003AW not 2004, it most certainly was in the stores in Jan 2004. Why bother with this?
People pester for EXACT dates on designs. LOL
But, the available information (internet, independent & even Hermes-produced books) contain errors.
The little scarf booklets do NOT tell you when a scarf was FIRST issued. Nor do they7 have ALL the designs.
Heck the internet databases are all copies one of another, errors propagate. How do you think they were compiled? Lots of anecdotal info: I bought my LVDGN in 2004 ...
Hermes is not known for their meticulous attention to the accuracy of advertising booklets, their web site, the speeches made at Festival des metiers etc.
Different people have different dates: I belive 2003AW to be the correct date for LVDGN even tho no one else does LOL
So, the moral of the story is IMO, knowing the scarf date to within +/- 5 or 10 years is pretty good. LVDGN is a pretty good example of that and it only came out a decade ago ...
So, that 's my story and I am sticking to it, no one has to agree with me, I am a big believer that we can agree to disagree
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Fascinating background on LVDGN, and an interesting lesson in how the databases are not the be-all and end-all of Hermès information.

I think your point that 5 to 10 years on a scarf release date is about as good as we can expect for the olders scarves is an excellent one. Along with this, there are real inconsistencies in how to identify a "first release" versus a later release. In some cases, it seems, the © means one thing; in other cases, it means the opposite. It varies by scarf, and one simply has to know which it is. There aren't hard & fast rules. This used to really bother me, but I've "lightened up" over time.:balloon:
 
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marietouchet said:
Continued from previous post, read previous post first
OK, I am picking nits saying that LVDGN was 2003AW not 2004, it most certainly was in the stores in Jan 2004. Why bother with this?
People pester for EXACT dates on designs. LOL
But, the available information (internet, independent & even Hermes-produced books) contain errors.
The little scarf booklets do NOT tell you when a scarf was FIRST issued. Nor do they7 have ALL the designs.
Heck the internet databases are all copies one of another, errors propagate. How do you think they were compiled? Lots of anecdotal info: I bought my LVDGN in 2004 ...
Hermes is not known for their meticulous attention to the accuracy of advertising booklets, their web site, the speeches made at Festival des metiers etc.
Different people have different dates: I belive 2003AW to be the correct date for LVDGN even tho no one else does LOL
So, the moral of the story is IMO, knowing the scarf date to within +/- 5 or 10 years is pretty good. LVDGN is a pretty good example of that and it only came out a decade ago ...
So, that 's my story and I am sticking to it, no one has to agree with me, I am a big believer that we can agree to disagree
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Oh, you are the best! I love this stuff. Thank you. Details are important!!

Which CW do you have, marietouchet?
 
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Haha lvdgn is like maybe the only 90cm design I don't own , just never got into it , a bit too cute ( I don't do cute ) , and I never figured out the leaves in the corners - they look like kayak paddles to me ?!?
 
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marietouchet said:
Haha lvdgn is like maybe the only 90cm design I don't own , just never got into it , a bit too cute ( I don't do cute ) , and I never figured out the leaves in the corners - they look like kayak paddles to me ?!?
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Oh, when you wrote "I bought my LVDGN in 2004 ..." I thought you were speaking as yourself. I don't do cute either, or realistic, and I hate winter! But after I got a husky, I wanted this (AND Gronland, AND Expeditions Polaires. Are there others?)
 
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sorry for the confusion ..
I was hypothetically talking of how all the scarf lists got created years ago, eg with lots of anecdotal info
I do dogs - they dont count as cute lol , I have Triples & Exp Polaires (in RED !!!)
There is a french bulldog in Triples
Gronland for huskies ! and lots of them
 
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More dog scarves:
there were lots of them ca 1950s, HTF and sometimes not good condition
Many of the Hallo scarves have dogs, greyhounds, Poitevins (a French hunting dog like a foxhound)
Garde consulaire - Ledoux - has a little tiny dog - adorable - at the front of Napoleon's Imperial Garde
King Charles spaniel and Poitevin (?) in Presentation de Chevaux
Actually many Ledoux scarves have a dog or two - Promenades de Paris too
Parisiens has a Dalmatian
 
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marietouchet said:
Continued from previous post, read previous post first
OK, I am picking nits saying that LVDGN was 2003AW not 2004, it most certainly was in the stores in Jan 2004. Why bother with this?
People pester for EXACT dates on designs. LOL
But, the available information (internet, independent & even Hermes-produced books) contain errors.
The little scarf booklets do NOT tell you when a scarf was FIRST issued. Nor do they7 have ALL the designs.
Heck the internet databases are all copies one of another, errors propagate. How do you think they were compiled? Lots of anecdotal info: I bought my LVDGN in 2004 ...
Hermes is not known for their meticulous attention to the accuracy of advertising booklets, their web site, the speeches made at Festival des metiers etc.
Different people have different dates: I belive 2003AW to be the correct date for LVDGN even tho no one else does LOL
So, the moral of the story is IMO, knowing the scarf date to within +/- 5 or 10 years is pretty good. LVDGN is a pretty good example of that and it only came out a decade ago ...
So, that 's my story and I am sticking to it, no one has to agree with me, I am a big believer that we can agree to disagree
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I saw this post and immediately and remembered that because I had bought the design in several color ways I wanted to remember when it was issued as it was not in the booklet. I had entered the design titles not included in the booklet on the last page (yes I wrote in the booklet). After all these years I pulled my fall/winter 2003 booklet, and it was not written in the back page, so next I checked fall/winter 2004, and there it was written by me, "Grand Nord" back in that season. No I idea if this helps but I was amazed with myself that more than a decade later I knew I had done that! BTW the other design written in my handwriting was Alliances du Monde.
 
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vildachya said:
I saw this post and immediately and remembered that because I had bought the design in several color ways I wanted to remember when it was issued as it was not in the booklet. I had entered the design titles not included in the booklet on the last page (yes I wrote in the booklet). After all these years I pulled my fall/winter 2003 booklet, and it was not written in the back page, so next I checked fall/winter 2004, and there it was written by me, "Grand Nord" back in that season. No I idea if this helps but I was amazed with myself that more than a decade later I knew I had done that! BTW the other design written in my handwriting was Alliances du Monde.
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Love love love other opinions and anecdotes , we need to do at least 2 things now , send your booklet in for carbon dating of the ink , have watched too many csi shows , then find an sa who worked 2003 - 2004 and grill him or her lol
 
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marietouchet said:
More dog scarves:
there were lots of them ca 1950s, HTF and sometimes not good condition
Many of the Hallo scarves have dogs, greyhounds, Poitevins (a French hunting dog like a foxhound)
Garde consulaire - Ledoux - has a little tiny dog - adorable - at the front of Napoleon's Imperial Garde
King Charles spaniel and Poitevin (?) in Presentation de Chevaux
Actually many Ledoux scarves have a dog or two - Promenades de Paris too
Parisiens has a Dalmatian
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Hello marietouchet, forgive the digression....do you know of any scarves with a German shepherd dog or something similar. Any color GS...Tri color, whit, black...THANK YOU
 
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Hi Ladies, I need a little help with a 'Chasse en Inde" mousseline (140) I just purchased from one of our beloved resellers. I like to include issue date, artist and colorway on the box (with a label) for all of my scarves. I am struggling to find more information on this scarf.

I know it was first issued in 1987 and was re-released a few times as a mouss. (The seller believes it was an early mouss release based on the long white care tag). I also know it was designed by Michel Duchene.

If anybody could fill in the blanks (CW and issue date) I would greatly appreciate it!!! :flowers:
 

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