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This! I totally agree.
I tend to get...not really intimidated, but feel shy or ashamed anticipating how I might be treated, when my request is totally reasonable and it is only the store atmosphere created by some SA that makes me feel ashamed sometimes. I admit that I mostly shop at H.com or resellers for B or K because I spent a long time dreading going into the store.

Fizzywater, just go in and ask for an exchange as if you are at any other "luxury" store. You have a reasonable request and don't let prior bad experience make you feel otherwise. If they say no, you can decide if you want to sell/give away your current CW to buy the preferred one or not.
I used to hate going into my store because my SA always made me feel bad and her response to any inquiry or problem was to say "no" and pressure me into making a new purchase to solve the problem. I switched to a new SA (which is also awkward due to hovering and long looks from SA#1 when I come in to the store), but now my problems are solved with grace and the experience is fun again as long as I avoid SA#1.
Examples: wanting to exchange NWT silk item with a run in it. SA#1--> skeptical, "it's ok, no one can see it, you have to exchange for the exact same one and we don't have any more, you need to buy this scarf ring so you can't see the run..." to SA#2-->"I'm so sorry that happened! I have reserved it for you with another new CW that just came in that I think you might like, I know it's hard for you to make it in to the store so no rush!" Another example: wanting to spa an item: SA#1- "I don't think you want to do that....It would take too much time...It would be too expensive...Just keep using it...Buy this twilly to cover the mark..." SA#2- "That is so beautiful (shows other SAs). It will have to go to Paris but I definitely think it is worth it, it is so special, you want to make sure it lasts forever."
Fizzywater, when you go in, if your unkind SA asks to help you, just say "I'm just looking around right now, thank you." Walk around until you find a newer SA who seems friendly and doesn't know you/your relationship with unkind SA, and when they offer to help you say Yes! That's what I did :smile:
I changed SAs a while back. I had been emailing my original SA (who was someone new to me as my goin' way back SA had left) and I guess I emailed her maybe once too many. She didn't answer me. I think I asked her for an SO In retrospect, I must have been out of my mind as I hadn't bought anything much -- purse, silver jewelry, shawls -- in ages and certainly not with her other than my silver CDC. I kind of avoided H boutique for a while and then finally surfaced b/c curiosity about mdse was killing me.

A person who I had had passing contact with and who was quite pleasant started working with me. The manager or assistant manager comes over and I think she said something about original SA being on duty. I leaned forward in a conspiratorial kind of way, shielded my mouth and said in a dramatic, mournful voice: "She dumped me. It was my fault, I wrote her too much." New SA and manager burst out laughing. then manager said new SA would never dump me. Afterwards, when manager had left, original SA comes over to me when I'm with new SA. I then told her I was working with new SA and that was that.

I can sense that new SA is diligent, will track down stuff I want. I do want some stuff and as soon as money tree is fertilized I hope to be back there. It's hard to be on Ban Island.
 
I think your attitude is very European. This is one of the many reasons that you dress better than we do. You don't let things like this bother you. You buy well fitting well made clothes and then use them as much as possible in whatever combination. Having to match everything is what led me to have 12-14 black skirts in my closet. [emoji849]
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I certainly don't have a problem with anyone who has 12-14 black skirts. I have maybe close to 10 in different lengths, different fabric weights (sheer embroidered, to linen with faggoting, to swishy long poly crepe, to pleated short linen, to short bias cut and then long bias cut).
Once you've done the matching it's over with and you can move on. :)
 
I changed SAs a while back. I had been emailing my original SA (who was someone new to me as my goin' way back SA had left) and I guess I emailed her maybe once too many. She didn't answer me. I think I asked her for an SO In retrospect, I must have been out of my mind as I hadn't bought anything much -- purse, silver jewelry, shawls -- in ages and certainly not with her other than my silver CDC. I kind of avoided H boutique for a while and then finally surfaced b/c curiosity about mdse was killing me.

A person who I had had passing contact with and who was quite pleasant started working with me. The manager or assistant manager comes over and I think she said something about original SA being on duty. I leaned forward in a conspiratorial kind of way, shielded my mouth and said in a dramatic, mournful voice: "She dumped me. It was my fault, I wrote her too much." New SA and manager burst out laughing. then manager said new SA would never dump me. Afterwards, when manager had left, original SA comes over to me when I'm with new SA. I then told her I was working with new SA and that was that.

I can sense that new SA is diligent, will track down stuff I want. I do want some stuff and as soon as money tree is fertilized I hope to be back there. It's hard to be on Ban Island.

Great advice . I applaud you for being so direct!
 
May I ask a dumb question about returns at H? I purchased one scarf in a design that I wanted, but not my favorite colorway, then found it in the cw I wanted. The scarf is new, I have the receipt, but I took the tag off. Will that be a problem? I have to stop in to pick up an online order and will probably spend an equal amount or more on other things.

I don't have an SA and the one time I was in my local store the service was not particularly friendly, well, until I said I'd take the mousseline, which I also want to return because as stunning as it is, I like one color in it and hate the others. At that point the champagne came out, but the SA still didn't give me a card.
If you spend a chunk of change, a new SA may well take 1-2 of your rejects back bc that person will want to accommodate a new person (you) who obviously has brand love.
 
nicole, excellent post. The fact that Hermes SAs can act as your first one did never fails to blow my mind, but it is absolutely true. I work with an out-of-state boutique because my SA is an absolute doll. Not long ago I e-mailed her because I just cannot justify buying at the rate I used to, and I wanted her to know it's me, not her. She actually called me to say "Never worry about how much you're buying. You will always be one of my favorite customers because you enjoy the brand. I'll be here for you, whenever!" THAT is the kind of mutually appreciative relationship one wants with a luxury brand salesperson. If all Hermes customers vow to settle for nothing less, maybe the nasty SAs will gradually become extinct!
 
This! I totally agree.
I tend to get...not really intimidated, but feel shy or ashamed anticipating how I might be treated, when my request is totally reasonable and it is only the store atmosphere created by some SA that makes me feel ashamed sometimes. I admit that I mostly shop at H.com or resellers for B or K because I spent a long time dreading going into the store.

Fizzywater, just go in and ask for an exchange as if you are at any other "luxury" store. You have a reasonable request and don't let prior bad experience make you feel otherwise. If they say no, you can decide if you want to sell/give away your current CW to buy the preferred one or not.
I used to hate going into my store because my SA always made me feel bad and her response to any inquiry or problem was to say "no" and pressure me into making a new purchase to solve the problem. I switched to a new SA (which is also awkward due to hovering and long looks from SA#1 when I come in to the store), but now my problems are solved with grace and the experience is fun again as long as I avoid SA#1.
Examples: wanting to exchange NWT silk item with a run in it. SA#1--> skeptical, "it's ok, no one can see it, you have to exchange for the exact same one and we don't have any more, you need to buy this scarf ring so you can't see the run..." to SA#2-->"I'm so sorry that happened! I have reserved it for you with another new CW that just came in that I think you might like, I know it's hard for you to make it in to the store so no rush!" Another example: wanting to spa an item: SA#1- "I don't think you want to do that....It would take too much time...It would be too expensive...Just keep using it...Buy this twilly to cover the mark..." SA#2- "That is so beautiful (shows other SAs). It will have to go to Paris but I definitely think it is worth it, it is so special, you want to make sure it lasts forever."
Fizzywater, when you go in, if your unkind SA asks to help you, just say "I'm just looking around right now, thank you." Walk around until you find a newer SA who seems friendly and doesn't know you/your relationship with unkind SA, and when they offer to help you say Yes! That's what I did :smile:
Anyone who wants you to keep substandard mdse and is totally pushy to boot is someone you have done well to bypass.
 
nicole, excellent post. The fact that Hermes SAs can act as your first one did never fails to blow my mind, but it is absolutely true. I work with an out-of-state boutique because my SA is an absolute doll. Not long ago I e-mailed her because I just cannot justify buying at the rate I used to, and I wanted her to know it's me, not her. She actually called me to say "Never worry about how much you're buying. You will always be one of my favorite customers because you enjoy the brand. I'll be here for you, whenever!" THAT is the kind of mutually appreciative relationship one wants with a luxury brand salesperson. If all Hermes customers vow to settle for nothing less, maybe the nasty SAs will gradually become extinct!
Wow. How fabulous. What a great story. I go thru cycles, feast or famine, with purchases. It's instructive how you handled that situation.
 
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nicole, excellent post. The fact that Hermes SAs can act as your first one did never fails to blow my mind, but it is absolutely true. I work with an out-of-state boutique because my SA is an absolute doll. Not long ago I e-mailed her because I just cannot justify buying at the rate I used to, and I wanted her to know it's me, not her. She actually called me to say "Never worry about how much you're buying. You will always be one of my favorite customers because you enjoy the brand. I'll be here for you, whenever!" THAT is the kind of mutually appreciative relationship one wants with a luxury brand salesperson. If all Hermes customers vow to settle for nothing less, maybe the nasty SAs will gradually become extinct!

Thank you Mindi! Your SA is definitely a keeper, though it's a shame you had to look across state lines to find her :) that is exactly how nice people treat each other! You were really thoughtful to check in with her the way that you did, and her response back is just what you would hope for! I completely agree that we should not settle for less. The system is set up in a really ludicrous manner, sometimes it feels like the dynamics of an unhealthy romantic/family/friend relationship. I realized that if the same games, lies and pressure were put on me in a relationship I would walk away and happily say good riddance.
When I was in elementary school I wanted to be a part of the popular clique, but they had a series of feats and tests required to join. It was kind of funny looking back. There was a footrace with their fastest member, there was a twirling requirement of a certain number of revolutions on the bars on the playground, there was a requirement to wear a certain color on a certain day, about 15 feats to achieve in total. It was a grueling process and took about 2 months to join with "tests" every day where the bar for passing kept changing arbitrarily. Finally I got in! I was in the popular clique! But then once I was in the mind games continued and other than always looking cute, it really wasn't that fun. Shopping at H can sometimes feel exactly like this! [emoji28]
 
This! I totally agree.
I tend to get...not really intimidated, but feel shy or ashamed anticipating how I might be treated, when my request is totally reasonable and it is only the store atmosphere created by some SA that makes me feel ashamed sometimes. I admit that I mostly shop at H.com or resellers for B or K because I spent a long time dreading going into the store.

Fizzywater, just go in and ask for an exchange as if you are at any other "luxury" store. You have a reasonable request and don't let prior bad experience make you feel otherwise. If they say no, you can decide if you want to sell/give away your current CW to buy the preferred one or not.
I used to hate going into my store because my SA always made me feel bad and her response to any inquiry or problem was to say "no" and pressure me into making a new purchase to solve the problem. I switched to a new SA (which is also awkward due to hovering and long looks from SA#1 when I come in to the store), but now my problems are solved with grace and the experience is fun again as long as I avoid SA#1.
Examples: wanting to exchange NWT silk item with a run in it. SA#1--> skeptical, "it's ok, no one can see it, you have to exchange for the exact same one and we don't have any more, you need to buy this scarf ring so you can't see the run..." to SA#2-->"I'm so sorry that happened! I have reserved it for you with another new CW that just came in that I think you might like, I know it's hard for you to make it in to the store so no rush!" Another example: wanting to spa an item: SA#1- "I don't think you want to do that....It would take too much time...It would be too expensive...Just keep using it...Buy this twilly to cover the mark..." SA#2- "That is so beautiful (shows other SAs). It will have to go to Paris but I definitely think it is worth it, it is so special, you want to make sure it lasts forever."
Fizzywater, when you go in, if your unkind SA asks to help you, just say "I'm just looking around right now, thank you." Walk around until you find a newer SA who seems friendly and doesn't know you/your relationship with unkind SA, and when they offer to help you say Yes! That's what I did :smile:

nicole, I'm so glad you persevered and found a better fit! I just think the whole experience should be joyful, not stressful. Thankfully I've never encountered bad customer service at my store. My SA relocated last year, and is now at an east coast store. I actually felt a bit badly at the time having to choose between those remaining, as they're all so great.
 
nicole, excellent post. The fact that Hermes SAs can act as your first one did never fails to blow my mind, but it is absolutely true. I work with an out-of-state boutique because my SA is an absolute doll. Not long ago I e-mailed her because I just cannot justify buying at the rate I used to, and I wanted her to know it's me, not her. She actually called me to say "Never worry about how much you're buying. You will always be one of my favorite customers because you enjoy the brand. I'll be here for you, whenever!" THAT is the kind of mutually appreciative relationship one wants with a luxury brand salesperson. If all Hermes customers vow to settle for nothing less, maybe the nasty SAs will gradually become extinct!

She really is a lovely woman, eagle, and I genuinely felt bad that I was pulling back, buying-wise. I wanted to be sure I didn't expect too much from her relative to the amount I was spending. She could not have been more gracious.

That was so thoughtful of you, Mindi!
 
She really is a lovely woman, eagle, and I genuinely felt bad that I was pulling back, buying-wise. I wanted to be sure I didn't expect too much from her relative to the amount I was spending. She could not have been more gracious.

That's the way things should work. Mutual respect. You might not buy today but you might tomorrow. These high end brands play on our feelings of obligation or not wanting to be embarrassed by not keeping up with our spending. When we talk about relationships with our SAs there are of course positive aspects but the negative aspects are these feelings on our part.

I feel terrible that I took two hours of my SA's time at Chanel yesterday and ended up not buying anything. I have to remind myself that I drove two hours each way and paid $50 in parking as well as gave up my precious time to give her the opportunity to show me her merchandise with the full intention of buying something if it appealed to me. But I didn't feel obligated to buy an expensive item just for the sake of buying something.

It's very difficult to avoid falling into the trap of feeling obligated or not wanting to offend a SA under these circumstances. I have felt myself slipping down that path briefly several times over the past few years. Fortunately I nipped it in the bud and didn't purchase expensive things that I regretted. No matter what we call them I still have to remember that these are salespeople trying to sell us expensive things and take money from our pockets. I like Nicole and eagle"s no nonsense approach. It takes two to tango. Don't tango. Just find a SA who treats you with respect. I think particularly at Hermes there are some long term SAs with bad attitudes who really should move on. We shouldn't support them with our dollars.
 
Thank you Mindi! Your SA is definitely a keeper, though it's a shame you had to look across state lines to find her :) that is exactly how nice people treat each other! You were really thoughtful to check in with her the way that you did, and her response back is just what you would hope for! I completely agree that we should not settle for less. The system is set up in a really ludicrous manner, sometimes it feels like the dynamics of an unhealthy romantic/family/friend relationship. I realized that if the same games, lies and pressure were put on me in a relationship I would walk away and happily say good riddance.
When I was in elementary school I wanted to be a part of the popular clique, but they had a series of feats and tests required to join. It was kind of funny looking back. There was a footrace with their fastest member, there was a twirling requirement of a certain number of revolutions on the bars on the playground, there was a requirement to wear a certain color on a certain day, about 15 feats to achieve in total. It was a grueling process and took about 2 months to join with "tests" every day where the bar for passing kept changing arbitrarily. Finally I got in! I was in the popular clique! But then once I was in the mind games continued and other than always looking cute, it really wasn't that fun. Shopping at H can sometimes feel exactly like this! [emoji28]

Haha! Absolutely. It's like a dysfunctional family or a bad relationship.
 
nicole, I'm so glad you persevered and found a better fit! I just think the whole experience should be joyful, not stressful. Thankfully I've never encountered bad customer service at my store. My SA relocated last year, and is now at an east coast store. I actually felt a bit badly at the time having to choose between those remaining, as they're all so great.

That is wonderful!
Yes, the goal should be a joyful experience!
In all things :) but especially those that are voluntary.
 
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