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Bought a tech thing. Arrived quick, but I didn't feel it lived up to the description. Requested Return. Granted. Prepaid label supplied. Packed, shipped, watched tracking.

This is where it gets fun. Gets to destination city, sits for a day or two. Tracking shows red 'Alert - awaiting delivery scan'. Stays like that for a couple of days, then changes to 'moved, no address'. Seller not responding to any messages.

Searched through the help pages and found a way to email CS. Must be new as I don't recall seeing that before. Sent them a message, included the tracking number and some other information not knowing how long before I'd hear from them. Within a little over 12 hours, I get a reply that they've issued a full refund.
 
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I purchased a branded jewelry item from a Los Angeles-based seller for $3250 on April 26, $96.56 of which was from ebay bucks. She was also selling the item on poshmark and seemed to have good reviews, so I thought it was likely to be authentic. I received the item, it was obviously counterfeit visually, and I obtained online authentication to back up my return claim. I submitted for the return through ebay due to "doesn't seem authentic" with the photo showing it was deemed counterfeit and the seller approved my return by the next morning and I shipped it back that day with the return label.
The seller received my return 2 days ago, and the next day sent me a message which says:
"We hope this message finds you in great spirit. Thank you for your patience. We have inspected the return, and we would like to keep you informed on the next steps.
Our apologies on failing to full-fill your satisfaction with our products. Shortly, a partial refund will be issued to you. eBay will issue the remainder after that.
Thank you again for giving us an opportunity to serve you. Have a stellar week, and take good care!"

The next day I received a partial refund for $3040 with no explanation of the price difference in what I paid vs the return amount. I assumed that it might be due to paypal fees, and that they may not know that paypal was not refunding seller fees and it was a mistake, so I contacted ebay to see about getting the full amount refunded. Ebay was very cagey and just gave very vague answers. They eventually told me that the seller had made a claim that they had received the item back "damaged or with missing pieces". Of course I did not damage it or not return part of the item, and I only had it for one day waiting for the seller to send me the return label. I asked ebay if the seller has to provide documentation or photos showing the damage/missing parts and the representative said yes. I was shocked, because frankly I am used to hearing on this forum about ebay siding with the buyer unfairly without need for sufficient proof, and this is why I have always felt safe buying on ebay and also why I would never sell an expensive item there. Suddenly things are flipped and they are allowing sellers to only provide partial refunds based on whatever claim they decide to concoct. I asked ebay if there is any appeal process and how this is determined and the representative said that it was based on "a number of factors, and I cannot tell you specifically what happened in your situation, which may include your account activity history if you have a history of returns or claims against you". It was like pulling out teeth, but my best guess is that it is because I have had other return claims in the past (all returns due to being counterfeit with authentication proof provided) and maybe a computer algorithm showed this as an anomaly. In the past, I have used ebay to find rare or discontinued items because I figured that if it was counterfeit I would be approved to return it and get a refund, and I would only be out the money I paid for a few weeks until the refund came. Now it seems that it is much more risky to buy on ebay. I asked if there was a cap to the amount a seller can withhold from the refund when there is documentation that it is counterfeit and the representative said the seller can withhold up to 50%! So now I certainly will not buy on ebay other than from huge sellers who are virtually guaranteed to be authentic or who have enough at stake in their business to issue a refund if there is a legitimate issue. On one hand I feel very lucky that the seller did not withhold 50% of what I paid!
Now I wonder what to do next. I paid with paypal, so do I dispute the original ebay purchase to try to get the full amount back? Or would that put into dispute the $3040 refund that I already received? I know that paypal cases can take weeks to resolve and are much more complicated, but I don't really have experience with paypal chargeback ins and outs. I have the impression that they weigh out both sides, so if the seller did damage the item, maybe they would win the case and my entire payment would be gone including the $3040 that I already was refunded by ebay? Do I just accept that I am out a bit of money, take it as a lesson learned and leave bad feedback for the seller to warn others? Since there was a return case involved, how would I word the feedback to warn others of the counterfeit item without the feedback being removed?
Of course I have tried to reach out to the seller, but while they were very responsive before the purchase, they have ignored my messages over the past 2 days.
Thanks.
 
:wave: Ladies I could really use your perspective here. I won an auction last Sunday for 2 vintage Dooney bags. Here is the link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/LOT-OF-2-VTG-DOONEY-BOURKE-LEATHER-SHOULDER-BAGS-SATCHEL-CROSSBODY-COGNAC-LEA/362984726258?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
I paid for them later on Sunday. And got them Thursday morning, which, props to the USPS, from OR to NJ.
Catbird9 kindly authenticated. Here are my pics :
Authenticate This DOONEY & BOURKE
I was attracted to the color of the bags as seen in the pics of the listing! I could tell the pics were taken in bright light and would not be quite that bright in real life. But I was expecting a somewhat dark orange and a softer yellow bag. I noticed the listing said lighter and darker cognac, but it never occurred to me to ask the seller to clarify if the the photos were accurate. I just thought potato, potato!
So you ladies sell. A lot. Since I would not have bid on this lot if I had known the Equestrian bag was a light caramel tan as opposed to something in the yellow, doI have a right to ask for return of the yellow bag or the sienna, as I call it? As the color is way off from the pics? I bid on these bags because of their color. Well and of course, I was interested in Dooneys.
Side note - the seller added a third small bag that was not included in the listing. The box came crammed with the three bags, no wrapping, no invoice, no note, no anything. So I have no idea if it is a mistake or a bonus. In a dialogue I will bring this up with seller up front. If they supply a label I will return it.
I respect your opinions and would like to hear them. TIA
 
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I purchased a branded jewelry item from a Los Angeles-based seller for $3250 on April 26, $96.56 of which was from ebay bucks. She was also selling the item on poshmark and seemed to have good reviews, so I thought it was likely to be authentic. I received the item, it was obviously counterfeit visually, and I obtained online authentication to back up my return claim. I submitted for the return through ebay due to "doesn't seem authentic" with the photo showing it was deemed counterfeit and the seller approved my return by the next morning and I shipped it back that day with the return label.
The seller received my return 2 days ago, and the next day sent me a message which says:
"We hope this message finds you in great spirit. Thank you for your patience. We have inspected the return, and we would like to keep you informed on the next steps.
Our apologies on failing to full-fill your satisfaction with our products. Shortly, a partial refund will be issued to you. eBay will issue the remainder after that.
Thank you again for giving us an opportunity to serve you. Have a stellar week, and take good care!"
The next day I received a partial refund for $3040 with no explanation of the price difference in what I paid vs the return amount. I assumed that it might be due to paypal fees, and that they may not know that paypal was not refunding seller fees and it was a mistake, so I contacted ebay to see about getting the full amount refunded. Ebay was very cagey and just gave very vague answers. They eventually told me that the seller had made a claim that they had received the item back "damaged or with missing pieces". Of course I did not damage it or not return part of the item, and I only had it for one day waiting for the seller to send me the return label. I asked ebay if the seller has to provide documentation or photos showing the damage/missing parts and the representative said yes. I was shocked, because frankly I am used to hearing on this forum about ebay siding with the buyer unfairly without need for sufficient proof, and this is why I have always felt safe buying on ebay and also why I would never sell an expensive item there. Suddenly things are flipped and they are allowing sellers to only provide partial refunds based on whatever claim they decide to concoct. I asked ebay if there is any appeal process and how this is determined and the representative said that it was based on "a number of factors, and I cannot tell you specifically what happened in your situation, which may include your account activity history if you have a history of returns or claims against you". It was like pulling out teeth, but my best guess is that it is because I have had other return claims in the past (all returns due to being counterfeit with authentication proof provided) and maybe a computer algorithm showed this as an anomaly. In the past, I have used ebay to find rare or discontinued items because I figured that if it was counterfeit I would be approved to return it and get a refund, and I would only be out the money I paid for a few weeks until the refund came. Now it seems that it is much more risky to buy on ebay. I asked if there was a cap to the amount a seller can withhold from the refund when there is documentation that it is counterfeit and the representative said the seller can withhold up to 50%! So now I certainly will not buy on ebay other than from huge sellers who are virtually guaranteed to be authentic or who have enough at stake in their business to issue a refund if there is a legitimate issue. On one hand I feel very lucky that the seller did not withhold 50% of what I paid!
Now I wonder what to do next. I paid with paypal, so do I dispute the original ebay purchase to try to get the full amount back? Or would that put into dispute the $3040 refund that I already received? I know that paypal cases can take weeks to resolve and are much more complicated, but I don't really have experience with paypal chargeback ins and outs. I have the impression that they weigh out both sides, so if the seller did damage the item, maybe they would win the case and my entire payment would be gone including the $3040 that I already was refunded by ebay? Do I just accept that I am out a bit of money, take it as a lesson learned and leave bad feedback for the seller to warn others? Since there was a return case involved, how would I word the feedback to warn others of the counterfeit item without the feedback being removed?
Of course I have tried to reach out to the seller, but while they were very responsive before the purchase, they have ignored my messages over the past 2 days.
Thanks.
That stinks! It is my understanding that the only sellers that can give partial refunds due to damage are those that offer free returns. So I think you would be safer buying from other sellers that don't. I have no idea how paypal would handle it. I assume they kept your ebay bucks are part of the damage? You might not be able to get that back no matter what. I'm not even sure you could open a credit card dispute when you aren't disputing the entire transaction.
 
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:wave: Ladies I could really use your perspective here. I won an auction last Sunday for 2 vintage Dooney bags. Here is the link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/LOT-OF-2-VTG-DOONEY-BOURKE-LEATHER-SHOULDER-BAGS-SATCHEL-CROSSBODY-COGNAC-LEA/362984726258?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
I paid for them later on Sunday. And got them Thursday morning, which, props to the USPS, from OR to NJ.
Catbird9 kindly authenticated. Here are my pics :
Authenticate This DOONEY & BOURKE
I was attracted to the color of the bags as seen in the pics of the listing! I could tell the pics were taken in bright light and would not be quite that bright in real life. But I was expecting a somewhat dark orange and a softer yellow bag. I noticed the listing said lighter and darker cognac, but it never occurred to me to ask the seller to clarify if the the photos were accurate. I just thought potato, potato!
So you ladies sell. A lot. Since I would not have bid on this lot if I had known the Equestrian bag was a light caramel tan as opposed to something in the yellow, doI have a right to ask for return of the yellow bag or the sienna, as I call it? As the color is way off from the pics? I bid on these bags because of their color. Well and of course, I was interested in Dooneys.
Side note - the seller added a third small bag that was not included in the listing. The box came crammed with the three bags, no wrapping, no invoice, no note, no anything. So I have no idea if it is a mistake or a bonus. In a dialogue I will bring this up with seller up front. If they supply a label I will return it.
I respect your opinions and would like to hear them.
These days ebay doesn't get involved in disputes. If you claim the color wasn't as described, the seller has to accept the return. If she doesn't and you escalate, I would be very surprised if you didn't win the dispute. I don't believe you can only return part of the purchase, unless this is something you and the seller agree to on the side without involving ebay. Keep in mind that no matter what, the seller will be out money. Paypal keeps their fees when things are refunded. The money the seller paid to ship is also gone. If you claim not as described, the seller also loses the money for you to ship it back. I imagine that the total lost will be at least $30.
 
That stinks! It is my understanding that the only sellers that can give partial refunds due to damage are those that offer free returns. So I think you would be safer buying from other sellers that don't. I have no idea how paypal would handle it. I assume they kept your ebay bucks are part of the damage? You might not be able to get that back no matter what. I'm not even sure you could open a credit card dispute when you are disputing the entire transaction.

Thank you! That is a very helpful tip. With rounding error, I paid about $3250 including $50 shipping, about $100 Ebay bucks and about $100 on top of the ebay bucks not refunded. So the seller withheld about $200 from what I paid. They would have made about $3150 after PayPal fees, and shipping was listed as $50, so maybe they refunded me what they got after PayPal fees -$50 for shipping and $50 for return shipping. That would make the $$ work out to the amount refunded. It sounds like the best and safest plan is to just accept the $100 ebay bucks loss and $100 additional loss and only buy from very well-vetted sellers in the future. I thought the seller was a store, but now I am second guessing that, since I can find an IG page but not a physical store when I search for it.
 
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I purchased a branded jewelry item from a Los Angeles-based seller for $3250 on April 26, $96.56 of which was from ebay bucks. She was also selling the item on poshmark and seemed to have good reviews, so I thought it was likely to be authentic. I received the item, it was obviously counterfeit visually, and I obtained online authentication to back up my return claim. I submitted for the return through ebay due to "doesn't seem authentic" with the photo showing it was deemed counterfeit and the seller approved my return by the next morning and I shipped it back that day with the return label.
The seller received my return 2 days ago, and the next day sent me a message which says:
"We hope this message finds you in great spirit. Thank you for your patience. We have inspected the return, and we would like to keep you informed on the next steps.
Our apologies on failing to full-fill your satisfaction with our products. Shortly, a partial refund will be issued to you. eBay will issue the remainder after that.
Thank you again for giving us an opportunity to serve you. Have a stellar week, and take good care!"
The next day I received a partial refund for $3040 with no explanation of the price difference in what I paid vs the return amount. I assumed that it might be due to paypal fees, and that they may not know that paypal was not refunding seller fees and it was a mistake, so I contacted ebay to see about getting the full amount refunded. Ebay was very cagey and just gave very vague answers. They eventually told me that the seller had made a claim that they had received the item back "damaged or with missing pieces". Of course I did not damage it or not return part of the item, and I only had it for one day waiting for the seller to send me the return label. I asked ebay if the seller has to provide documentation or photos showing the damage/missing parts and the representative said yes. I was shocked, because frankly I am used to hearing on this forum about ebay siding with the buyer unfairly without need for sufficient proof, and this is why I have always felt safe buying on ebay and also why I would never sell an expensive item there. Suddenly things are flipped and they are allowing sellers to only provide partial refunds based on whatever claim they decide to concoct. I asked ebay if there is any appeal process and how this is determined and the representative said that it was based on "a number of factors, and I cannot tell you specifically what happened in your situation, which may include your account activity history if you have a history of returns or claims against you". It was like pulling out teeth, but my best guess is that it is because I have had other return claims in the past (all returns due to being counterfeit with authentication proof provided) and maybe a computer algorithm showed this as an anomaly. In the past, I have used ebay to find rare or discontinued items because I figured that if it was counterfeit I would be approved to return it and get a refund, and I would only be out the money I paid for a few weeks until the refund came. Now it seems that it is much more risky to buy on ebay. I asked if there was a cap to the amount a seller can withhold from the refund when there is documentation that it is counterfeit and the representative said the seller can withhold up to 50%! So now I certainly will not buy on ebay other than from huge sellers who are virtually guaranteed to be authentic or who have enough at stake in their business to issue a refund if there is a legitimate issue. On one hand I feel very lucky that the seller did not withhold 50% of what I paid!
Now I wonder what to do next. I paid with paypal, so do I dispute the original ebay purchase to try to get the full amount back? Or would that put into dispute the $3040 refund that I already received? I know that paypal cases can take weeks to resolve and are much more complicated, but I don't really have experience with paypal chargeback ins and outs. I have the impression that they weigh out both sides, so if the seller did damage the item, maybe they would win the case and my entire payment would be gone including the $3040 that I already was refunded by ebay? Do I just accept that I am out a bit of money, take it as a lesson learned and leave bad feedback for the seller to warn others? Since there was a return case involved, how would I word the feedback to warn others of the counterfeit item without the feedback being removed?
Of course I have tried to reach out to the seller, but while they were very responsive before the purchase, they have ignored my messages over the past 2 days.
Thanks.
Wow, that's convoluted -- and shocking.

I wonder if they misunderstood that the return is for counterfeit and not for remorse. You shouldn't be out anything (except possibly the cost of a pro doc stating inauthenticity) in the case of a counterfeit dispute!

I know that TRS plus sellers can get reimbursed (but I thought it was by ebay and not the buyer) if items aren't returned in their same condition, but again, that wouldn't (IMO) apply in this case.

I'd try to keep calling until you get someone who understands that you received a fake and not that you sent back a return for remorse reasons.

(The only other possibility I can think of is that you may not have received a refund of the ebay bucks and the seller expects ebay to give you the equivalent of a merchandise credit for that.)
 
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Wow, that's convoluted -- and shocking.

I wonder if they misunderstood that the return is for counterfeit and not for remorse. You shouldn't be out anything (except possibly the cost of a pro doc stating inauthenticity) in the case of a counterfeit dispute!

I know that TRS plus sellers can get reimbursed (but I thought it was by ebay and not the buyer) if items aren't returned in their same condition, but again, that wouldn't (IMO) apply in this case.

I'd try to keep calling until you get someone who understands that you received a fake and not that you sent back a return for remorse reasons.

(The only other possibility I can think of is that you may not have received a refund of the ebay bucks and the seller expects ebay to give you the equivalent of a merchandise credit for that.)

Thank you BB! I will try to call ebay again, that is a good idea. As we know, each representative has their own take on things! I will make sure to be as explicit as possible that it was a counterfeit claim, and see if drilling in that point makes a difference. I explained that previously, but the rep may not have understood. What the rep told me on the phone was that the seller can withhold up to 50% of the return and that “in some cases ebay can make up the difference, but in this case we cannot due to backend factors”. When I asked if she knew what the backend factor was in my case she said no, and that is when she said it was based on possible factors such as account history, return requests, or claims against the buyer, but that she could not say what it was in my case and that it could not be appealed. Pretty wild.
 
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Wow, that's convoluted -- and shocking.

I wonder if they misunderstood that the return is for counterfeit and not for remorse. You shouldn't be out anything (except possibly the cost of a pro doc stating inauthenticity) in the case of a counterfeit dispute!

I know that TRS plus sellers can get reimbursed (but I thought it was by ebay and not the buyer) if items aren't returned in their same condition, but again, that wouldn't (IMO) apply in this case.

I'd try to keep calling until you get someone who understands that you received a fake and not that you sent back a return for remorse reasons.

(The only other possibility I can think of is that you may not have received a refund of the ebay bucks and the seller expects ebay to give you the equivalent of a merchandise credit for that.)
I'm pretty sure that when a buyer pays with ebay bucks, the seller has no knowledge of that and it doesn't show on her paypal. It used to be that if someone paid with ebay bucks, you couldn't do a partial paypal refund. The only option was to do a complete refund. I remember not being able to give a buyer a partial for this reason, but not knowing they had paid with bucks until ebay told me.

I don't believe the damage claim that is allowed for TRS plus sellers is paid by ebay.

I agree, that for a not as described claim, there shouldn't be a damage allowance. Once you claim not as described, it doesn't matter what condition it is when the seller gets it back.
 
I'm pretty sure that when a buyer pays with ebay bucks, the seller has no knowledge of that and it doesn't show on her paypal. It used to be that if someone paid with ebay bucks, you couldn't do a partial paypal refund. The only option was to do a complete refund. I remember not being able to give a buyer a partial for this reason, but not knowing they had paid with bucks until ebay told me.

I don't believe the damage claim that is allowed for TRS plus sellers is paid by ebay.

I agree, that for a not as described claim, there shouldn't be a damage allowance. Once you claim not as described, it doesn't matter what condition it is when the seller gets it back.

I requested a callback from eBay customer service, so I’ll update when I hear from them again. Thanks whateve and BB for your help as always!
There is a little over $100 withheld on top of what I paid with eBay bucks, so there is something going on beyond that.
 
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These days ebay doesn't get involved in disputes. If you claim the color wasn't as described, the seller has to accept the return. If she doesn't and you escalate, I would be very surprised if you didn't win the dispute. I don't believe you can only return part of the purchase, unless this is something you and the seller agree to on the side without involving ebay. Keep in mind that no matter what, the seller will be out money. Paypal keeps their fees when things are refunded. The money the seller paid to ship is also gone. If you claim not as described, the seller also loses the money for you to ship it back. I imagine that the total lost will be at least $30.
I can appreciate she will be out money. What I have a hard time understanding is how some one with that many sales and deals with hand bags would not indicate that the pics do not accurately reflect the actual color of the bags being sold. This is not someone who is selling a few extra items around the house.
 
I can appreciate she will be out money. What I have a hard time understanding is how some one with that many sales and deals with hand bags would not indicate that the pics do not accurately reflect the actual color of the bags being sold. This is not someone who is selling a few extra items around the house.
I don't know. It may look completely different on her device or in her home.
 
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:wave: Ladies I could really use your perspective here. I won an auction last Sunday for 2 vintage Dooney bags. Here is the link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/LOT-OF-2-VTG-DOONEY-BOURKE-LEATHER-SHOULDER-BAGS-SATCHEL-CROSSBODY-COGNAC-LEA/362984726258?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
I paid for them later on Sunday. And got them Thursday morning, which, props to the USPS, from OR to NJ.
Catbird9 kindly authenticated. Here are my pics :
Authenticate This DOONEY & BOURKE
I was attracted to the color of the bags as seen in the pics of the listing! I could tell the pics were taken in bright light and would not be quite that bright in real life. But I was expecting a somewhat dark orange and a softer yellow bag. I noticed the listing said lighter and darker cognac, but it never occurred to me to ask the seller to clarify if the the photos were accurate. I just thought potato, potato!
So you ladies sell. A lot. Since I would not have bid on this lot if I had known the Equestrian bag was a light caramel tan as opposed to something in the yellow, doI have a right to ask for return of the yellow bag or the sienna, as I call it? As the color is way off from the pics? I bid on these bags because of their color. Well and of course, I was interested in Dooneys.
Side note - the seller added a third small bag that was not included in the listing. The box came crammed with the three bags, no wrapping, no invoice, no note, no anything. So I have no idea if it is a mistake or a bonus. In a dialogue I will bring this up with seller up front. If they supply a label I will return it.
I respect your opinions and would like to hear them. TIA

These days ebay doesn't get involved in disputes. If you claim the color wasn't as described, the seller has to accept the return. If she doesn't and you escalate, I would be very surprised if you didn't win the dispute. I don't believe you can only return part of the purchase, unless this is something you and the seller agree to on the side without involving ebay. Keep in mind that no matter what, the seller will be out money. Paypal keeps their fees when things are refunded. The money the seller paid to ship is also gone. If you claim not as described, the seller also loses the money for you to ship it back. I imagine that the total lost will be at least $30.

I can appreciate she will be out money. What I have a hard time understanding is how some one with that many sales and deals with hand bags would not indicate that the pics do not accurately reflect the actual color of the bags being sold. This is not someone who is selling a few extra items around the house.

I don't know. It may look completely different on her device or in her home.

I do appreciate your replies, thank you.
I'm a little late in responding but this is a case and seller where I would definitely open SNAD based on color.

In fact, over the years, I've privately wondered whether this seller is somehow connected to another huge volume seller (also from Oregon) who has a reputation and feedback showing it for not honestly photographing her items and condition being worse than described.

Just in the last 12 months, your seller has 3 neutral feedbacks for items not being in the condition described. You'd think she'd have learned how important honest disclosure of condition/color/etc. would be!

Because of that, I think a dispute is in order, assuming you are willing to return the bags. The lighter color bag looks like palomino in her pictures and if those pictures were considerably lighter than IRL, she should have disclosed it.

You will definitely get to return the bags, either with or without the seller voluntarily going along with it.
 
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I requested a callback from eBay customer service, so I’ll update when I hear from them again. Thanks whateve and BB for your help as always!
There is a little over $100 withheld on top of what I paid with eBay bucks, so there is something going on beyond that.

Here is the update from eBay CS. Whateve, you were correct, they said it was because the seller offers free returns that they are allowed to withhold part of the refund (up to 50%, though that sounds uncommon). I stayed that I was under the impression that for a return for the reason of being counterfeit/SNAD the seller could not withhold part of the refund (per your insights to mention this). The rep, a claims specialist, stated this was not a limitation in allowing a partial refund. I’m not sure if their policies have changed or if the representative was misinformed, she did seem knowledgeable and was a claims specialist that I waited on hold to talk to. I guess it may be best to just accept this loss, but if it can go up to 50% of a refund withheld I will be very hesitant to purchase on eBay again. I expressed this to the CS rep, and she said the best way to avoid this concern is to not buy from sellers who offer free returns and have this option of partial refunds! I am still too uneasy now to consider another big purchase anytime soon though.
 
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