Dior RTW

Has anyone tried this dress on in person? Is it too short to wear to work?

 
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@chiaoapple, you look great!

I’m relatively new to dior RTW and to voluminous midi skirts for day, but I bought three pieces today. A double breasted top that Dior classified as a jacket (4K usd) and pants that reminded me of my grandmothers gauchos or culottes (1800 usd) . Both match. And, a palm print skirt (5K usd). They are size 40

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I did try on other pieces including three jackets, but the classic bar jacket that fits my shoulders is longer waisted and too slim :sad: I also loved two sweater tops, dress and blue skirt, but they kind of made me look too broad on top, or were too much fabric for my lifestyle. Except for the pants in the first pic below and the palm skirt, I passed on the rest.

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It was fun to try on, and the Dior tailor was excellent, patient, and and very nice. Also, it seemed like Dior team was faster or better equipped to pivot and explore other options than chanel, brunello or H. (I love my other SAs but it takes more time to round stuff up only to discover my size in the favored item is out of stock ) Though maybe I went to Dior on a particularly great, stock rich day). Cannot wait to go back. Dior tailor said the magic words which were that she has to open up the jacket to see if I might need an interim fitting. That’s much better than me being aggravated that something isn’t right after it’s delivered :biggrin:

apologies for the long post!
 
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I’m relatively new to door RTW, but I bought three pieces today. A double breasted sleeveless top that Dior classified as a jacket (4K usd) and pants that reminded me of my grandmothers gauchos or culottes (1800 usd) . And, a palm print skirt (5K usd)
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I did try on about ten other pieces, but I’m short and sadly thicker in the waist than is ideal. (I found out that the classic jacket isn’t really cut for my shape), and the sweaters are either too boxy or too high neck crew for me.
The items I got are a size 40. Skirt is comfy bc it’s an elastic waist band :biggrin:

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The Dior jacket and pants look great on you!
 
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@averagejoe thank you so much! it was so much fun!

@may3545, I love the look of the maxi on you (I think it makes you look model tall). Only issue, if it were me making the purchase, is that I’d trip on the maxi skirt length. I also agree with others that if you have the midi pattern in other items, it would be so easy and fun to mix and match. you look beautiful in both!

@Aelfaerie, the dress is beautiful ! I saw that it’s 85 cm in length or 33 inches which is mid thigh for me (I’m 5’2”) which I would imagine is on the short side for office wear even with an opaque tight? Maybe as a tunic with a trouser or legging underneath? But, I’m 53 years old and perhaps too conservative so YMMV. If you end up getting it, would love to see an action shot!

Dior palm skirt, elastic waistband, worn inside out with a 21p Chanel cardigan. This way the palms become tone on tone blue. Dior pants with 21p chanel tie cardigan and with a vintage from my closet Jay Kos jacket, issey miyake top, H CDC belt, Warren edwards moto boots, and 30B barenia, restored by @docride.
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@averagejoe thank you so much! it was so much fun!

@may3545, I love the look of the maxi on you (I think it makes you look model tall). Only issue, if it were me making the purchase, is that I’d trip on the maxi skirt length. I also agree with others that if you have the midi pattern in other items, it would be so easy and fun to mix and match. you look beautiful in both!

Thank you! I love your new Dior pieces, congrats! I'm also new to Dior RTW, and I may just get both skirts. I'm at the point in my life where if something is beautiful and flattering on me (since not everything is), I'm going to buy them!
 
Hello! I’m deciding between these 2 skirts.
Midi: easy to wear, tie waist, a great print, but I have this print in book tote, heels, sneakers, shawl, mitzvah. I also have lots of midi skirts.
Maxi: super flattering, new print I don’t have. Have less maxi’s.
Pardon non-matching shirt. I was rushed. I am leaning towards this maxi.
Which would you pick?
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I love the Maxi on you
Can see it with a simple body suit - tank / short sleeves / even long sleeves in colder climes- you can dress it up or down ! Very classic!
 
A bit OT, but I was wondering if anyone here thinks there should be some philosophical cohesion between mens and women’s in the same design house, or if there should be some crossover (almost like a gender neutral common zone of clothing). I also felt (just peering into the men’s window, that the men’s side is a lot more youthful than women’s . I say this bc there have been many times when I’ve wished some menswear items have been made in women’s sizes. (Mainly with respect to other designers like Jil Sander, Brunello Cuchinelli, dolce)

@SPBiaes educated me a bit about Dior collaborations over on the men’s side and Kim Jones as her son is a fan.

I didn’t know anything, so I googled him and found this quote from highsnobiety (I’m a latecomer to Dior, so don’t know if this has been hashed out on various threads already) :

Kim Jones is a lot of things, too. A rave kid. A weirdo. A Japanophile. A gallery fiend. Hype-aware. Kanye-adjacent. Oh yeah, and in case you forgot, the guy behind Louis Vuitton x Supreme.

Jones is a '90s cool kid who grew up to be one of the world’s premier designers, who is mixing and remixing the things he grew up on with the crew he grew up with – with all the resources in the world. Some call it “making cool ****.” Others call it “a revolution in luxury fashion.”


On the other hand, I do think the women’s side of the house is richer and more old world and I love that too.

apologies, I don’t mean to hijack the thread, and if this post should be moved elsewhere, pls do so @averagejoe
thanks in advance!
 
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A bit OT, but I was wondering if anyone here thinks there should be some philosophical cohesion between mens and women’s in the same design house, or if there should be some crossover (almost like a gender neutral common zone of clothing). I also felt (just peering into the men’s window, that the men’s side is a lot more youthful than women’s . I say this bc there have been many times when I’ve wished some menswear items have been made in women’s sizes. (Mainly with respect to other designers like Jil Sander, Brunello Cuchinelli, dolce)

@SPBiaes educated me a bit about Dior collaborations over on the men’s side and Kim Jones as her son is a fan.

I didn’t know anything, so I googled him and found this quote from highsnobiety (I’m a latecomer to Dior, so don’t know if this has been hashed out on various threads already) :

Kim Jones is a lot of things, too. A rave kid. A weirdo. A Japanophile. A gallery fiend. Hype-aware. Kanye-adjacent. Oh yeah, and in case you forgot, the guy behind Louis Vuitton x Supreme.

Jones is a '90s cool kid who grew up to be one of the world’s premier designers, who is mixing and remixing the things he grew up on with the crew he grew up with – with all the resources in the world. Some call it “making cool ****.” Others call it “a revolution in luxury fashion.”


On the other hand, I do think the women’s side of the house is richer and more old world and I love that too.

apologies, I don’t mean to hijack the thread, and if this post should be moved elsewhere, pls do so @averagejoe
thanks in advance!

Interesting discussion.

I think Dior Women's RTW draws from the rich history of Dior couture going all the way back to the New Look, tailored but 'feminine', romantic and cut to enhance a woman's ideal figure (hourglass) whereas the heyday/revolution for CD Men's heyday was probably in Hedi Slimane's silhouette, also tailored but long and lean and actually quite androgynous. Obviously, the women's and men'c collections have different CDs/designers that do their own thing, plus there's a nod to 2021 trends, but essentially, at the heart of Dior's DNA and core value is the tailored silhouette.

More recently, with Kim, I think the Men's has embraced a bit more of a muscular stature and is a little more 'arty' and 'street' too, but the HS legacy is still evident. Dior is centred around tailoring so that's an issue for gender-neutral. A suit jacket, if worn oversized (which is what it would be on most women - but they also do M2M) and worn undone, could pair easily with a mini or skinnies. The pants/trous worn with a simple close fitting tank or 'T' and with a belt and heels (very JG-era) would work too, perhaps just not together or the outline of most women would be lost. Even a 44C is going to be quite large on a reg Dior customer and would have to have major alteration.

Lots of women could wear CD Homme no problem, it depends which silhouette suits one's own body shape. For men, it seems harder to 'cross-over' but the 'gender-fluid', fashionable concessions are already there in the colours and prints IMO.

Altogether, Dior is currently catering to quite a conservative demographic that enjoy the high-fashion and edge reputation but want to invest in a wearable, buildable wardrobe. That's why Chiuri sells IMO. Why would I (a woman) want to buy 'street' for investment prices from Dior. I can get cooler for less elsewhere.
 
Interesting discussion.

I think Dior Women's RTW draws from the rich history of Dior couture going all the way back to the New Look, tailored but 'feminine', romantic and cut to enhance a woman's ideal figure (hourglass) whereas the heyday/revolution for CD Men's heyday was probably in Hedi Slimane's silhouette, also tailored but long and lean and actually quite androgynous. Obviously, the women's and men'c collections have different CDs/designers that do their own thing, plus there's a nod to 2021 trends, but essentially, at the heart of Dior's DNA and core value is the tailored silhouette.

More recently, with Kim, I think the Men's has embraced a bit more of a muscular stature and is a little more 'arty' and 'street' too, but the HS legacy is still evident. Dior is centred around tailoring so that's an issue for gender-neutral. A suit jacket, if worn oversized (which is what it would be on most women - but they also do M2M) and worn undone, could pair easily with a mini or skinnies. The pants/trous worn with a simple close fitting tank or 'T' and with a belt and heels (very JG-era) would work too, perhaps just not together or the outline of most women would be lost. Even a 44C is going to be quite large on a reg Dior customer and would have to have major alteration.

Lots of women could wear CD Homme no problem, it depends which silhouette suits one's own body shape. For men, it seems harder to 'cross-over' but the 'gender-fluid', fashionable concessions are already there in the colours and prints IMO.

Altogether, Dior is currently catering to quite a conservative demographic that enjoy the high-fashion and edge reputation but want to invest in a wearable, buildable wardrobe. That's why Chiuri sells IMO. Why would I (a woman) want to buy 'street' for investment prices from Dior. I can get cooler for less elsewhere.
I agree, MGC gets a lot of stick among the self-appointed fashion critics for being old-fashioned but she’s the one of the only designer who has managed to take clothing into profitable. A lot of people are nostalgic for Galliano and he’s great but as far as I’m concerned Dior is a conservative tailoring house and he’s better suited to Margiela. MGC is also much much better than Raf at incorporating the brand’s aesthetic into her work than he ever was IMHO.

I think in general designers need to realise that wanting to look youthful and wanting to look like ‘street’ like a hypebeast are not the same thing.
 
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A bit OT, but I was wondering if anyone here thinks there should be some philosophical cohesion between mens and women’s in the same design house, or if there should be some crossover (almost like a gender neutral common zone of clothing). I also felt (just peering into the men’s window, that the men’s side is a lot more youthful than women’s . I say this bc there have been many times when I’ve wished some menswear items have been made in women’s sizes. (Mainly with respect to other designers like Jil Sander, Brunello Cuchinelli, dolce)

@SPBiaes educated me a bit about Dior collaborations over on the men’s side and Kim Jones as her son is a fan.

I didn’t know anything, so I googled him and found this quote from highsnobiety (I’m a latecomer to Dior, so don’t know if this has been hashed out on various threads already) :

Kim Jones is a lot of things, too. A rave kid. A weirdo. A Japanophile. A gallery fiend. Hype-aware. Kanye-adjacent. Oh yeah, and in case you forgot, the guy behind Louis Vuitton x Supreme.

Jones is a '90s cool kid who grew up to be one of the world’s premier designers, who is mixing and remixing the things he grew up on with the crew he grew up with – with all the resources in the world. Some call it “making cool ****.” Others call it “a revolution in luxury fashion.”


On the other hand, I do think the women’s side of the house is richer and more old world and I love that too.

apologies, I don’t mean to hijack the thread, and if this post should be moved elsewhere, pls do so @averagejoe
thanks in advance!
I think this is on topic with this thread about Dior RTW!

I agree with @papertiger about how Maria Grazia Chiuri's clothes sell because her pieces can be used for wardrobe-building. She has been selling separates that still work together between seasons while maintaining a very consistent look. I think her separates are probably more flattering on different body types than Galliano and Raf's Dior RTW. After all, a T-shirt tucked into an elasticized-waist full tulle skirt, worn with an open-style Bar jacket can allow women to hide features that they may not like about themselves better than Raf's cigarette-pants and closed Bar jackets, or Galliano's closed Bar jackets with pencil skirts.

I think it is smart to keep the men's and women's lines separate while ensuring that they have consistent elements to prevent the two lines from looking like night and day. This allows the brand to double-dip, where there are women who buy men's pieces, and guys who buy women's pieces depending on what best appeals to them. For instance, Dior has hit both markets with its B23 and Walk'n Dior shoes, with women buying the B23s so often that they regularly make very small sizes for the B23, while some male customers have purchased the Oblique Walk'n Dior shoes in larger sizes, like my brother who loved the look of the shoes. The Dior Men Oblique pieces are popular with men and women, as I've seen women with the sheer T-shirts, woven shirts, and over-sized logo sweaters, while I have seen men in the women's hooded Anoraks and with the slogan T-shirts.

It gives the client more options.

Like most brands, Dior offers free alterations for their RTW if purchased from their boutiques, and their alterations specialists can really transform the pieces to a client's liking. One of the clients at the Bloor location even asked for a part of a DiorxStussy hoodie to be removed, and the Oblique fabric to be turned into a face mask, and they complied! This helps women who wish to buy their men's RTW but find even the smallest sizes too big. They can alter it with darts as well to make the pieces look more flattering on a women's body.
 
A bit OT, but I was wondering if anyone here thinks there should be some philosophical cohesion between mens and women’s in the same design house, or if there should be some crossover (almost like a gender neutral common zone of clothing). I also felt (just peering into the men’s window, that the men’s side is a lot more youthful than women’s . I say this bc there have been many times when I’ve wished some menswear items have been made in women’s sizes. (Mainly with respect to other designers like Jil Sander, Brunello Cuchinelli, dolce)

@SPBiaes educated me a bit about Dior collaborations over on the men’s side and Kim Jones as her son is a fan.

I didn’t know anything, so I googled him and found this quote from highsnobiety (I’m a latecomer to Dior, so don’t know if this has been hashed out on various threads already) :

Kim Jones is a lot of things, too. A rave kid. A weirdo. A Japanophile. A gallery fiend. Hype-aware. Kanye-adjacent. Oh yeah, and in case you forgot, the guy behind Louis Vuitton x Supreme.

Jones is a '90s cool kid who grew up to be one of the world’s premier designers, who is mixing and remixing the things he grew up on with the crew he grew up with – with all the resources in the world. Some call it “making cool ****.” Others call it “a revolution in luxury fashion.”


On the other hand, I do think the women’s side of the house is richer and more old world and I love that too.

apologies, I don’t mean to hijack the thread, and if this post should be moved elsewhere, pls do so @averagejoe
thanks in advance!
My kid’s obsession with Mr Jones started when he was still working with LV. Even though he brought street fashion to his designs, we liked how those creations still maintained that special fantasy of high fashion. Somehow we didn’t feel the same when it comes to Virgil’s curations. What got me taking a second look at Kim Jones’ designs was this piece from FW20/21 that was inspired by an Haute Couture dress from the Bohan era. For a RTW show piece to be so elegantly and delicately made (took 900 hours! and I’m sure if anyone request it, it will be made to order) , it really shows his passion for his work and appreciation for the brand.
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I think this is on topic with this thread about Dior RTW!

I agree with @papertiger about how Maria Grazia Chiuri's clothes sell because her pieces can be used for wardrobe-building. She has been selling separates that still work together between seasons while maintaining a very consistent look. I think her separates are probably more flattering on different body types than Galliano and Raf's Dior RTW. After all, a T-shirt tucked into an elasticized-waist full tulle skirt, worn with an open-style Bar jacket can allow women to hide features that they may not like about themselves better than Raf's cigarette-pants and closed Bar jackets, or Galliano's closed Bar jackets with pencil skirts.

I think it is smart to keep the men's and women's lines separate while ensuring that they have consistent elements to prevent the two lines from looking like night and day. This allows the brand to double-dip, where there are women who buy men's pieces, and guys who buy women's pieces depending on what best appeals to them. For instance, Dior has hit both markets with its B23 and Walk'n Dior shoes, with women buying the B23s so often that they regularly make very small sizes for the B23, while some male customers have purchased the Oblique Walk'n Dior shoes in larger sizes, like my brother who loved the look of the shoes. The Dior Men Oblique pieces are popular with men and women, as I've seen women with the sheer T-shirts, woven shirts, and over-sized logo sweaters, while I have seen men in the women's hooded Anoraks and with the slogan T-shirts.

It gives the client more options.

Like most brands, Dior offers free alterations for their RTW if purchased from their boutiques, and their alterations specialists can really transform the pieces to a client's liking. One of the clients at the Bloor location even asked for a part of a DiorxStussy hoodie to be removed, and the Oblique fabric to be turned into a face mask, and they complied! This helps women who wish to buy their men's RTW but find even the smallest sizes too big. They can alter it with darts as well to make the pieces look more flattering on a women's body.

Good to know. The men's suits are actually cost-effective and a great investment in comparison to other pieces (materials and work considered).