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I just wanted to reassure members that they are very welcome to post their experiences here, good or bad. Members don't get offended in any of our other forums when members discuss their quality issues and I don't know of one brand that is flawless. But people here need to not visit this thread if it upsets them.

Just sayin'.
 
(edited)I was upset that you addressed your reply to bonnie and I, but your reply did not actually refer to the sentiment of the post you were referring to. I suppose I was offended by the fact you obviously didn't read my post before responding to it, which I posted for your benefit specifically. You post made me unsure whether you actually wanted an informative answer or just to rehash the complaint. That's what I'm talking about.
 
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Hey!
I just wanted to reassure members that they are very welcome to post their experiences here, good or bad. Members don't get offended in any of our other forums when members discuss their quality issues and I don't know of one brand that is flawless. But people here need to not visit this thread if it upsets them.

Just sayin'.

I wanted to add to this.

If anyone is being told that they should not be posting their experiences on our forum that is wrong. Our forum was made for people to give their honest opinions, share experiences, and be open and honest.

I find it disturbing if it is true that some members are being told not to post openly on tPF. If this is happening to you I would really like for you to tell myself, Vlad, and or Swanky.

Most sub forums have countless reveal threads and people congregating to share the joys of the bags they own or ask questions about the bags. It will not always be positive what you will read - and that is ok. If you have something to share, positive or negative, we want you to feel comfortable sharing it here.

If you do not feel comfortable to do so - then something is wrong and we need to address that :yes: .
 
I wanted to add to this.

If anyone is being told that they should not be posting their experiences on our forum that is wrong. Our forum was made for people to give their honest opinions, share experiences, and be open and honest.

I find it disturbing if it is true that some members are being told not to post openly on tPF. If this is happening to you I would really like for you to tell myself, Vlad, and or Swanky.

Most sub forums have countless reveal threads and people congregating to share the joys of the bags they own or ask questions about the bags. It will not always be positive what you will read - and that is ok. If you have something to share, positive or negative, we want you to feel comfortable sharing it here.

If you do not feel comfortable to do so - then something is wrong and we need to address that :yes: .

Dear Megs: I will be PMing you immediately. Thank you for this post.
 
(edited)I was upset that you addressed your reply to bonnie and I, but your reply did not actually refer to the sentiment of the post you were referring to. I suppose I was offended by the fact you obviously didn't read my post before responding to it, which I posted for your benefit specifically. You post made me unsure whether you actually wanted an informative answer or just to rehash the complaint. That's what I'm talking about.

I only addressed you because both of you addressed me in posts #493 and #494 in regards to my post #492, in which I expressed a general opinion about the QC/CS situation as presented so far in this thread. IMO it's good manners to acknowledge the posts of those who address me directly on a thread. (Just check out my HM and crystal threads in this s/f, for example.) And while there are exceptions kuz of the nature of the posts and threads, I do my best to not ignore those who talk to me. :yes:

That's it. That's why I addressed you guys in particular, kuz you were talking to me. I thought we were having a conversation. No hidden messages. No ulterior motives. Just people talking. Now I feel like I stepped into a mine of some kind.

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You say you're upset kuz I didn't read your post and kuz my reply didn't refer to the sentiment of some post...and something about rehashing a complaint. What post? What sentiment? Which complaint? I'm sorry, but you lost me again. I did read your post, and I still don't quite understand what I said to upset you. Either I'm the biggest dunce here or I'm totally missing something. :push:

I can't help but notice that you assumed I had bad/hidden intentions. Why would I? This is so far off from what I know is true that I can't help but wonder if it stems from previous problems on this thread and/or subforum. :thinkin:

Well...now, I'm upset. I'm so tired of TPF drama. I just left a s/f to reduce my exposure to it (long story) only to run into this. :nogood:

For the record: I came here kuz of my interest in BE--to learn about these beautiful bags and make new friends. I was very excited to be here. I had no idea that QC/CS issues polarized this s/f to such an extent. I'm truly sorry if I f-ed up.
 
Noone is arguing that censorship is good, Karmen. I posted the version of censorship that BE claimed it was requesting, and I kind of expected you to have at least referred to that rather than just saying - Bonnie and Sgreg, asking people not to talk about any of their QC issues is wrong! Clearly, my post indicated that BE claimed it was doing nothing of the sort. However, it is completely your prerogative to disregard my post, and I wouldn't have been so upset had my name not directly preceded it!

I posted that because I thought you were looking for that information, as in what BE had to say about asking people to modify what they were saying regarding QC issues, and I wasn't sure whether you were around this sf when this issue occurred before. I actually thought other people would bring this up, so I went looking for those posts and the posts leading up to them, couldn't find them, so posted the general gist as I remembered it thinking it would be helpful.
 
karmen..I have nowhere written anything about not posting..e.g.Gingey should absolutely post what's on her mind..and I'm sure she knows I mean this..lol..or anybody else.
But what I object to is if this thread turns into a hidden "we hate BE" thread instead of just relating to problems.

Look at the issues on this thread..some are only occuring a few times and is not a general theme in BE bags..now please compare it to all the good reveiws..

Do you seriously think I will buy this many bags from BE (and most of them are from BEC) as I have, if faults were a general theme?? Heck no, I don't have time for that!

But there are a few here, who jump out of the shadows as soon as a drama is going on just to add fuel to a little spark..and now I've decided to leave it be and have fun about it instead.

So please hang around ...also here, karmen, we are fun!! dammit!!...lol..
 
@ Megs: I would like to state clearly that I have never been asked by BE NOT to share my quality issue on the tpf

All I said was, that Jackie did not appreciate this (which from her point of view is understandable)

I do not want to be misunderstood in an important point like this, so this is just for the records

thanks
 
Ladies - I apologize I wasn't here that much in the last couple of days, but I had to put on Thanksgiving for a lot of guests which is not something that comes naturally to me and I really needed to stay focused so that everyone could have a good holiday. In addition, there is nothing I can do if people are not breaking the rules. Please keep that in mind.

I really am at a loss as to why our threads constantly have to include drama. Maybe this sub forum seems to attract those people that thrive on drama due to it's past history? I don't know, but we do seem to get a lot of input from people that normally do not frequent our boards for any other topic and have either never purchased a BE bag or haven't purchased one in a long time. *Karmen - I am not referring to you. You consistently contribute in all areas, and it would be a real loss if you go elsewhere.*

I'm not sure what the solution is, but if everyone can continue to keep one thing in mind I would appreciate it. People are allowed to discuss anything they wish in this thread with regards to CS/QC. If you find it offensive, please ignore the thread! The people that jump in here and nowhere else will go away if they can not engage in drama! Do not worry about BE's business. It is not up to you to sell their bags. Please try to not take things so personally. The best thing you can all do is carry on in other areas of the sub forum and enjoy your bags. It's the holidays. Let's have some fun!
 
Karmen, this forum is usually fun! Promise! :D Please don't feel that you can't engage with people here. I love seeing new people in the subforum, new blood is always good!

When things get too heated, I tootle off to Ignes and chill.
 
the thing is. . . . this thread is about CS/QC issues, there shouldn't be much of anything else on this thread. KWIM?
No room for misinterpretation if people aren't commenting/chatting too much.
It's always when we get off track that people get upset.

-Share your experiences - other's should NOT be questioning you here. :nogood:
 
Ladies - I apologize I wasn't here that much in the last couple of days, but I had to put on Thanksgiving for a lot of guests which is not something that comes naturally to me and I really needed to stay focused so that everyone could have a good holiday. In addition, there is nothing I can do if people are not breaking the rules. Please keep that in mind.



I really am at a loss as to why our threads constantly have to include drama. Maybe this sub forum seems to attract those people that thrive on drama due to it's past history? I don't know, but we do seem to get a lot of input from people that normally do not frequent our boards for any other topic and have either never purchased a BE bag or haven't purchased one in a long time. *Karmen - I am not referring to you. You consistently contribute in all areas, and it would be a real loss if you go elsewhere.*



I'm not sure what the solution is, but if everyone can continue to keep one thing in mind I would appreciate it. People are allowed to discuss anything they wish in this thread with regards to CS/QC. If you find it offensive, please ignore the thread! The people that jump in here and nowhere else will go away if they can not engage in drama! Do not worry about BE's business. It is not up to you to sell their bags. Please try to not take things so personally. The best thing you can all do is carry on in other areas of the sub forum and enjoy your bags. It's the holidays. Let's have some fun!





Suzi, when it comes to someone who normally doesn't frequent BE etc.. in my case, and in MY CASE ONLY, I left the BE forum for specific reasons. I have not purchased a BE in a long time DIRECTLY FROM BE, for many reasons as I have already discussed. I posted because I had purchased a bag directly from BE and the manner in which I was treated as a customer was not right and the proposed solution was something that was morally repugnant to me.


Let me state however, suzi, whether or not this reference was about me or anyone else, someone who is newbie who bought her first BE bag, infrequent BE flyer who buys one or two at most a year, or anyone who purchases a BE once a year, or one every other year, or fifteen a year, and feels that she needs to address a CS/QC matter in public here on TPF, she should be able to. That is a legitimate reason to post. There is a correct manner in which to do so, and I believe I am behaving appropriately.



I frequent other forums and there are many who are asking questions prior to purchasing, new purchasers and first time purchasers and infrequent purchasers who discuss their complaints or concerns about the brand, the CS, QC, delivery, very openly. Some of whom also buy BE bags who have not hesitated to air their complaints. That is all I have to say in response to this, suzi



To anyone else reading this post.



The matter at hand is about what should have been a simple return that evolved into this particular situation. Had I simply been told by BE you can return it for a full refund here's how to do it, none of this would have been posted. Not the QC issues for sure although perhaps that would have been remiss. Then it became a matter of CS and not just QC.



I tried to quietly and privately resolve a return of a purse, which as I made clear was purchased at a discount during a sale. Many of you purchased from the same sale and some of you were thrilled and others were not. While I no longer posted on the BE forum, I did read through many of the threads.



I know that those of you who were not pleased, posted about your displeasure, and the manner in which it was resolved, is none of my business or concern, regardless of whether you posted the resolution or not.



This is about my situation with QC/CS. This is an open forum, and I am posting on the appropriate thread.



The discount was on the website and it was clearly stated that the bags were either from a business that went under, or unused samples and were perfect unless noted otherwise. Nothing about imperfections was listed on the description of the purse I purchased. Others clearly states, dry leather, contrasting zippers and the like. There was no photo on the site so I contacted BE for a bit more information.



In fact, although it did not bother me, even the fact that the purse had contrasting zippers was not mentioned in the description or in the email responses BE sent to me before I ordered.Upon inspection, I saw that it was not made in a manner that was acceptible to me. I am the customer.



Quite frankly, what I do not understand is that if the purse I want to return is perfect, as BE claims it is, that they can see nothing wrong with it, and was not sold as final sale, why I simply could not return it? Why did I have to keep sending photos, and then receive specific emails laying out conditions for the return? Again, should I be permitted to post the emails this matter would be out in the open. If you believe that I am bending the truth, that is your opinion, air it on any social network of your choice.



If I am being cryptic and vague, it is not because I am lying and misrepresenting and anyone believes it is because I am not telling the truth and a BS meter is raised, or if its getting on your nerves, tweet away.



I am doing so because I have been adhering to TPF rules, as well as acting within certain legal constraints. I promise you that once this matter is resolved and if I am given permission by TPF, I will be more than happy to offer up concrete proof. I am a professional too, and am not acting in a childish or disingenious manner. There is a great deal more I would like to say, but I've said more than enough already.

I want to return the bag in a manner that will ensure and insure that it arrives at BE without damage. It is in the process of happening but has not yet been resolved completely.

I hope you enjoyed your holiday or vacation. Indeed I hope the rest of you have some fun. Thank you, SWANKY ITA. Just the facts.
 
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Gingey - my post was directed towards people who are commenting on QC problems that are not their own and are not frequent contributors to the forum. I am not talking about people who are posting their QC problems. The thread was created for people to post their QC issues, yes? I apologize if my post was misinterpreted.


Good point Swanky.
 
I have to say once again Gingey, I have never EVER had a company ask me not to purchase their products again. I am appalled that BE would ask this of you, and perplexed as to their reasoning - they would only give you a replacement bag if you wouldn't purchase their product again - doesn't make sense at all, what on earth were they thinking?
 
hi jenny, re: Jackies post to you in the other thread, i would be very grateful if you could post pictures of your hardware so I can see how different gold and brass are. I am not sure about the explanation about the silver being different also. It sounds like this is more marked in the gold, and since i am a gold girl I would like to see the difference

Hi pinkdiamond!! Sorry for the long delay; please forgive me!!! Okay, here are the (shiny) gold loops (1st two pics), and the brushed or satin-y " brass loops and studs (2nd two pics). (The lighter of the pics are with flash, and the darker are without flash.)
 

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