Scarves Chiffon (mousseline) scarves

[Julide]

I spoke to my SA today....we're in different cities...she and the SM pulled all their mousselines and found that all but one had at least one flaw. All of the defected were pulled. I suspect this is going to happen at several boutiques, not just in the US. Will be interesting to see what happens. Another shout-out to calexandre for bringing this to our attention.

Thank you for pointing this out to your SA. I wish more would so as not have people unknowingly get damaged scarves.

 

[textilegirl]

Add another item to the list of things that prove tPFers may know more about H than its own employees. I think we should get a discount; after all we're apparently doing quite a few of their jobs, in this case, quality control. I'm joking of course, but I would have thought the production process included someone standing at the end of the line in Lyon casting an eagle eye over the results

 

[Luvbolide]

I spoke to my SA today....we're in different cities...she and the SM pulled all their mousselines and found that all but one had at least one flaw. All of the defected were pulled. I suspect this is going to happen at several boutiques, not just in the US. Will be interesting to see what happens. Another shout-out to calexandre for bringing this to our attention.

This breaks my moussie loving heart...I am debating what to do - I have a new ZP moussie that I bought recently. Not even sure if the return period is closed. I waited so long for it that I am thinking of just going for it and keeping it.

The percentage of flaws is truly shocking. Surely it will dwarf the "complaints" re the moussie being too warm. I hope that H will return to thicker threads rather than continuing to mess this up. The general scarcity is an issue, adding on a serious quality control problem is a major issue.

Thank you @calexandre for calling this to our attention.

 

[calexandre]

Ho ho ho, seriously LOL and also a "yer, right?"

I've always been paranoid about the moussies recently (that's why I ask you to check before I buy, you have such a good eye) but did I tell you I found a hole in my AW17 140 silk? To my judgement = Huge. Those are not even Plume weight.

Perhaps Hermes need written feedback of a different kind. Et en masse.

I had forgotten about THE HOLE! Honestly! What is going on??

Agreed on feedback. I'm definitely writing a letter to the central customer service in France, expressing both heartfelt appreciation for H's legacy of craftsmanship + the mousseline in particular... and heartfelt disappointment at this turn of events.

I spoke to my SA today....we're in different cities...she and the SM pulled all their mousselines and found that all but one had at least one flaw. All of the defected were pulled. I suspect this is going to happen at several boutiques, not just in the US. Will be interesting to see what happens. Another shout-out to calexandre for bringing this to our attention.

Werner, thank YOU for calling this to your SA's attention... and it heartens me to hear your boutique is holding to a high standard.

I'm keeping an eye on the Europe web store and hoping I don't see the Savana I just returned reappear to be sold to some other unsuspecting customer.

 

[calexandre]

Oh dear. This new moussie development is not good. Thanks for the PSA. I will check any new ones thoroughly. I must admit, I had a hard time concentrating on what you wrote after I read you had 32 moussies in ur drawer. Can we see them as a family pic? Pretty please!

Oh MYH, you may have unleashed a monster by giving me an excuse to pull out all my mousselines! I could probably write a dissertation on each of them. I'll spare us all the dissertation, but will totally take your request as an opportunity to post some color-themed collections of my moussies-- I know this thread has been invaluable to me in finding pics of these elusive silks-- and also to do some self-evaluation. I recently went through the task of sifting through my 90s to decide what is working for me and what needs to get the boot, but am less regular (and less strict with myself) about mousselines.

I'm starting with the orange/coral family, a tone I really love in chiffon.



Left to right we have:
Soiree de Gala by Clerc, 90cm, issued 2006
Aloha by Toutsy, 90cm, issued 2001
Splendeurs des Maharajas by Catherine Baschet, 90cm, prob 2001 but could be mid-1990s
Aux Portes du Palais, 140cm, lipstick corail colorway, 2012
Aux Portes du Palais, 140cm, blanc/corail colorway, 2012
Indian Dust, 140cm, 2008

In the photos (one in electric light, one in overcast natural light), Indian Dust looks like I should have put it in the red/pink category rather than coral. But it has a gorgeous yellow changeant that turns it a flame-coral in person. You can see a bit of the changeant dancing on it in this pic, even though it still looks hot pink overall in the photo.



The Soiree is the one of these that I simply never wear (in fact, I've never worn it), but it is certainly a piece of art. The ice blue and pale pink against the vibrant H orange is so unexpected and so Hermes.



More color families coming as and when....

 

[frou frou]

Oh MYH, you may have unleashed a monster by giving me an excuse to pull out all my mousselines! I could probably write a dissertation on each of them. I'll spare us all the dissertation, but will totally take your request as an opportunity to post some color-themed collections of my moussies-- I know this thread has been invaluable to me in finding pics of these elusive silks-- and also to do some self-evaluation. I recently went through the task of sifting through my 90s to decide what is working for me and what needs to get the boot, but am less regular (and less strict with myself) about mousselines.

I'm starting with the orange/coral family, a tone I really love in chiffon.

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Left to right we have:
Soiree de Gala by Clerc, 90cm, issued 2006
Aloha by Toutsy, 90cm, issued 2001
Splendeurs des Maharajas by Catherine Baschet, 90cm, prob 2001 but could be mid-1990s
Aux Portes du Palais, 140cm, lipstick corail colorway, 2012
Aux Portes du Palais, 140cm, blanc/corail colorway, 2012
Indian Dust, 140cm, 2008

In the photos (one in electric light, one in overcast natural light), Indian Dust looks like I should have put it in the red/pink category rather than coral. But it has a gorgeous yellow changeant that turns it a flame-coral in person. You can see a bit of the changeant dancing on it in this pic, even though it still looks hot pink overall in the photo.

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The Soiree is the one of these that I simply never wear (in fact, I've never worn it), but it is certainly a piece of art. The ice blue and pale pink against the vibrant H orange is so unexpected and so Hermes.

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More color families coming as and when....

At last a peep inside your chiffon wardrobe, I had a feeling this was going to be good !
Do keep up the momentum and show us more ,I live vicariously as far as mousseline wearing goes but seeing this makes me wonder why??????

 

[papertiger]

Oh MYH, you may have unleashed a monster by giving me an excuse to pull out all my mousselines! I could probably write a dissertation on each of them. I'll spare us all the dissertation, but will totally take your request as an opportunity to post some color-themed collections of my moussies-- I know this thread has been invaluable to me in finding pics of these elusive silks-- and also to do some self-evaluation. I recently went through the task of sifting through my 90s to decide what is working for me and what needs to get the boot, but am less regular (and less strict with myself) about mousselines.

I'm starting with the orange/coral family, a tone I really love in chiffon.

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Left to right we have:
Soiree de Gala by Clerc, 90cm, issued 2006
Aloha by Toutsy, 90cm, issued 2001
Splendeurs des Maharajas by Catherine Baschet, 90cm, prob 2001 but could be mid-1990s
Aux Portes du Palais, 140cm, lipstick corail colorway, 2012
Aux Portes du Palais, 140cm, blanc/corail colorway, 2012
Indian Dust, 140cm, 2008

In the photos (one in electric light, one in overcast natural light), Indian Dust looks like I should have put it in the red/pink category rather than coral. But it has a gorgeous yellow changeant that turns it a flame-coral in person. You can see a bit of the changeant dancing on it in this pic, even though it still looks hot pink overall in the photo.

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The Soiree is the one of these that I simply never wear (in fact, I've never worn it), but it is certainly a piece of art. The ice blue and pale pink against the vibrant H orange is so unexpected and so Hermes.

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More color families coming as and when....

Ha ha, you kill me. I would gladly read and treasure each dissertation.

Each one a precious silk gem. And side by side, tone on tone, they look like an artwork all together.

The Soiree twin added to my list. It's too amazing to eulogise in mere words.

 

[orchard]

Add another item to the list of things that prove tPFers may know more about H than its own employees. I think we should get a discount; after all we're apparently doing quite a few of their jobs, in this case, quality control. I'm joking of course, but I would have thought the production process included someone standing at the end of the line in Lyon casting an eagle eye over the results

On a tour of Hermes Pantin in 2006 I was informed the company policy is to unceremoniously burn all rejected prints. I saw the quality control they had in place for the twills at that time. However, my instinct is many changes have taken place across the board since then.

The diminished mousseline quality has been a concern of mine for some time and, as a result, I no longer purchase them. The mousseline has felt very thin with a looser thread the past couple of seasons. I pointed this out to my store manager in the hope she would pass the information on.

 

[orchard]

Oh MYH, you may have unleashed a monster by giving me an excuse to pull out all my mousselines! I could probably write a dissertation on each of them. I'll spare us all the dissertation, but will totally take your request as an opportunity to post some color-themed collections of my moussies-- I know this thread has been invaluable to me in finding pics of these elusive silks-- and also to do some self-evaluation. I recently went through the task of sifting through my 90s to decide what is working for me and what needs to get the boot, but am less regular (and less strict with myself) about mousselines.

I'm starting with the orange/coral family, a tone I really love in chiffon.

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Left to right we have:
Soiree de Gala by Clerc, 90cm, issued 2006
Aloha by Toutsy, 90cm, issued 2001
Splendeurs des Maharajas by Catherine Baschet, 90cm, prob 2001 but could be mid-1990s
Aux Portes du Palais, 140cm, lipstick corail colorway, 2012
Aux Portes du Palais, 140cm, blanc/corail colorway, 2012
Indian Dust, 140cm, 2008

In the photos (one in electric light, one in overcast natural light), Indian Dust looks like I should have put it in the red/pink category rather than coral. But it has a gorgeous yellow changeant that turns it a flame-coral in person. You can see a bit of the changeant dancing on it in this pic, even though it still looks hot pink overall in the photo. -

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The Soiree is the one of these that I simply never wear (in fact, I've never worn it), but it is certainly a piece of art. The ice blue and pale pink against the vibrant H orange is so unexpected and so Hermes.

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More color families coming as and when....

Stunning colllection Oh my, I so regret passing on the beautiful Indian Dust. Your Soiree is a treasure, H no longer produce PM mouss.

 

[Julide]

Oh MYH, you may have unleashed a monster by giving me an excuse to pull out all my mousselines! I could probably write a dissertation on each of them. I'll spare us all the dissertation, but will totally take your request as an opportunity to post some color-themed collections of my moussies-- I know this thread has been invaluable to me in finding pics of these elusive silks-- and also to do some self-evaluation. I recently went through the task of sifting through my 90s to decide what is working for me and what needs to get the boot, but am less regular (and less strict with myself) about mousselines.

I'm starting with the orange/coral family, a tone I really love in chiffon.

View attachment 3985157 View attachment 3985159

Left to right we have:
Soiree de Gala by Clerc, 90cm, issued 2006
Aloha by Toutsy, 90cm, issued 2001
Splendeurs des Maharajas by Catherine Baschet, 90cm, prob 2001 but could be mid-1990s
Aux Portes du Palais, 140cm, lipstick corail colorway, 2012
Aux Portes du Palais, 140cm, blanc/corail colorway, 2012
Indian Dust, 140cm, 2008

In the photos (one in electric light, one in overcast natural light), Indian Dust looks like I should have put it in the red/pink category rather than coral. But it has a gorgeous yellow changeant that turns it a flame-coral in person. You can see a bit of the changeant dancing on it in this pic, even though it still looks hot pink overall in the photo.

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The Soiree is the one of these that I simply never wear (in fact, I've never worn it), but it is certainly a piece of art. The ice blue and pale pink against the vibrant H orange is so unexpected and so Hermes.

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More color families coming as and when....

How beautiful!! I would love to read any academic article where the subject is mousselines! Or purses!I would happily get another degree for that!!!

 

[Notorious Pink]

Yes!!! Keep going!!! I am still kicking myself for rehoming this one....I forgot that I once had it... Paddock, GM size...

 

[frou frou]

Yes!!! Keep going!!! I am still kicking myself for rehoming this one....I forgot that I once had it... Paddock, GM size...

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A white Paddock ….so beautiful.
Regret for rehoming, no! You must have decided it wasn't one you wore nor ever would at the time. I've released some stunning mousselines which make me gasp when I see them posted, but they were an effort for me to wear.

 

[mimi 123]

Oh MYH, you may have unleashed a monster by giving me an excuse to pull out all my mousselines! I could probably write a dissertation on each of them. I'll spare us all the dissertation, but will totally take your request as an opportunity to post some color-themed collections of my moussies-- I know this thread has been invaluable to me in finding pics of these elusive silks-- and also to do some self-evaluation. I recently went through the task of sifting through my 90s to decide what is working for me and what needs to get the boot, but am less regular (and less strict with myself) about mousselines.

I'm starting with the orange/coral family, a tone I really love in chiffon.

View attachment 3985157 View attachment 3985159

Left to right we have:
Soiree de Gala by Clerc, 90cm, issued 2006
Aloha by Toutsy, 90cm, issued 2001
Splendeurs des Maharajas by Catherine Baschet, 90cm, prob 2001 but could be mid-1990s
Aux Portes du Palais, 140cm, lipstick corail colorway, 2012
Aux Portes du Palais, 140cm, blanc/corail colorway, 2012
Indian Dust, 140cm, 2008

In the photos (one in electric light, one in overcast natural light), Indian Dust looks like I should have put it in the red/pink category rather than coral. But it has a gorgeous yellow changeant that turns it a flame-coral in person. You can see a bit of the changeant dancing on it in this pic, even though it still looks hot pink overall in the photo.

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The Soiree is the one of these that I simply never wear (in fact, I've never worn it), but it is certainly a piece of art. The ice blue and pale pink against the vibrant H orange is so unexpected and so Hermes.

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More color families coming as and when....

What a great collection! Twin with your corail APdP, the blanc one is just gorgeous! Looking forward to next batch. Thank you for sharing.

 

[Sickgrl13]

Mousseline friends, many of you who have been following this thread for years have heard me blather on endlessly about how much I love mousselines. They are my favorite, favorite thing Hermes makes. Even the ones I've had the longest still make my heart pitter-patter when I pull them out. So I'm not thrilled to need to post a rant/lament/PSA here regarding the quality of current mousselines.

Everyone, please please please, if you are buying mousselines from this season or 2017, CHECK YOUR MOUSSELINES THOROUGHLY in the boutique, held up in a decently-lit area, before taking them home.

Yesterday I received a stole I was very excited about, the Savana Dance in a fabulous absinthe green with peach accents. It was sent brand-new from the web shop and shipped to store. Having had negative experiences with the quality of last summer's mousselines, I asked the SA to unfurl it for my inspection. I was horrified to see around a dozen pulls and fractures in the fabric. We unfurled a different colorway that the boutique had. Same thing, albeit slightly less pervasive. See the pics for a couple of examples of what I mean.

These would be easy enough to miss if you weren't looking carefully, but they should NOT be present in a brand-new mousseline. Frankly, my oldest mousselines wouldn't even show these types of problems even if you ran over them with a mack truck. Post-2007, sure, some of them will eventually show little slubs in the fabric, which look a bit like the textured areas of shantung silk. But nothing like this, and pulls don't occur in any of them up to summer 2017 without something actually snagging on them.

What changed in summer 2017? According to a lovely SA who is the scarf buyer for her boutique, Hermes has decided to produce the mousselines using thinner threads. Supposedly people complained that they were "too hot." I have my suspicions about the corporate rationale for this change, but whether or not they really changed thing at customers' insistence, I can't see it as anything but a change for the worse. Mousselines I saw last summer without pulls, even brand-new from the cellophane, were the exception, not the rule. My Iris mousseline is fragile in the extreme, and has to be babied to survive being knotted. When packed, it emerges with creases and crinkles looking sad and squashed.

Do I freak out when one of my mousselines gets a slub or a pull because I've worn it many many times, or when I've done something to cause a problem with my own carelessness? Certainly not. Do I think it's unacceptable for Hermes to sell mousselines that are so inherently frail that they couldn't even survive packing and transit to the customer without showing damage? Oh most certainly I do. And my tolerance for declining quality varies inversely with the ever-steeper prices that H is charging. If I didn't know they could do better, I wouldn't be stomping my foot over this-- but I have 34 pre-2017 mousselines in my drawers that say otherwise.

Check your moussies, everyone! No judgement here if you find a bunch of pulls and decide to buy one anyway. If anyone understands being overcome by the beauty of the mousselines, it's me. I myself am asking H to send me a pristine replacement for the Savana stole, even though I know that seeing so many new mousselines with these problems means they will not wear with the hardiness of the older mousselines. But I absolutely won't buy one that is damaged from the get-go, and if customer comments are what drive H's changes to the mousselines, this customer has a lot to tell them! If you've experienced this same issue, do let your SA and H customer service know. I would hate to see the mousseline format (which has dwindled from two seasons and four formats to one season and two formats) die out entirely, and I do believe that if people have bad experiences with their durability, they'll cease to sell and H will kill them completely.

Okay, rant/advisory notice over! I promise I'll make up for this grouchy post with pretty pics of some new-to-me (but older issue!) additions soon.

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Wowza!!! I can’t wait to see more.

 

[mimi 123]

Here is my Paddock (GM) in green.