Chanel’s Rise & STALL: Defects, Difficulties & Deflection (formerly the 19 tote saga thread)

[cerulean blue]

Omg is this Chanel RTW !? Omg and costs 3500$?

It's from the Métiers d'Arts 2020/21 collection (21A)

 

[zaraha]

Speaking of RTW, @TraceySH, you're going to love this:

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I don't know about you, but I flat out refuse buying a sweater with holes like this for 3,500 dollars. With 47% polyamide. H&M Premium Selection does better quality than this.

I reckon the markup on this is at least 100x, as in, it cost $35 to make something like this, labour and raw materials included. Chanel is fast fashion for the rich.

Yup those sweaters with holes looks very sustainable 3% wool is from expensive sheep that lives on Mars.
On second thought I think it’s the design “fashion” they are not holes

 

[TraceySH]

Speaking of RTW, @TraceySH, you're going to love this:

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I don't know about you, but I flat out refuse buying a sweater with holes like this for 3,500 dollars. With 47% polyamide. H&M Premium Selection does better quality than this.

I reckon the markup on this is at least 100x, as in, it cost $35 to make something like this, labour and raw materials included. Chanel is fast fashion for the rich.

Nooooooooo this is atrocious.....pathetic. All cost cutting. ALL cost cutting. And Chanel's RTW has gone up in price so much in the last 3 years. I've bought entirely too much of it, and I too, regret those purchases.

 

[PurseCloset]

The designs are what draw us in yes, but I have to disagree with the careful design. It's not only Chanel who seems to miss here, but this is the thread we are in. I think of all the tiny bags that are really unusable. Are they cute-yes. Are they functional -no. So many bags could benefit from another inch to fit a phone.

Crossbody bags are what most people seem to be looking for and most of these styles have very short drops. The bags like the clothing are geared mostly toward another market with shorter clientele. Most of the front or back pockets are not functional. If you were to gather a group of customers together and do a focus group on bag design, I think they would ask for different features.

It depends what you are looking for.

Ya some bags r really tiny n rather unfunctional. Could qualify as accessories.

For all u know, they may have conducted a focus group to come up with these micro bags

Hence the large repertoire of Chanel to cater to everyone's taste: small bag big bag, good taste bad taste, functional non functional, multidimensional.
Could be losing focus with so many runaway bags n production lines cost that will surely drive up cost

 

[periogirl28]

@JamaisAssez This is the kind of thing I was referring to in my earlier post. There is no reason to use such a high percentage of polyamide and in a collection which should be celebrating the highest level of craftsmanship and materials possible, short of couture.

 

[TPFer2015]

Why did you repair your 19? Hardware issues?

Why did you repair your 19? Hardware issues?

There's a stitch on the leather bit on the long handle that came loose.

Btw, I am so sad to read that the 22A caramel C19s are deemed so much worse quality than the previous ones, because till now I was simply ecstatic to finally get my hands on it in this colourway. Mine seems fine, except for the loose stitch, but reading all your comments made me upset and feeling disappointed that I paid more (there's been some price increase since 21P) for a lesser bag.

 

[Swanky]

There's a stitch on the leather bit on the long handle that came loose.

Btw, I am so sad to read that the 22A caramel C19s are deemed so much worse quality than the previous ones, because till now I was simply ecstatic to finally get my hands on it in this colourway. Mine seems fine, except for the loose stitch, but reading all your comments made me upset and feeling disappointed that I paid more (there's been some price increase since 21P) for a lesser bag.

Aww, please don’t feel sad. Just because someone online “deems it lesser quality” doesn’t make it so. Enjoy your bag!
I’ve purchased 5 bags in the last 3 months and I read a handful of people telling me the quality is bad and the service stinks, but it is just not my personal experience. Enjoy your bag

 

[ntntgo]

There's a stitch on the leather bit on the long handle that came loose.

Btw, I am so sad to read that the 22A caramel C19s are deemed so much worse quality than the previous ones, because till now I was simply ecstatic to finally get my hands on it in this colourway. Mine seems fine, except for the loose stitch, but reading all your comments made me upset and feeling disappointed that I paid more (there's been some price increase since 21P) for a lesser bag.

I don’t think it’s anyone’s intention to make anyone else feel badly about their purchases. At least I hope not.

This thread has become more about all of us learning from each other & making educated purchases. When people spend their hard earned money on anything, they have a right to know what they’re getting for it.

Regardless of the factual dissection of the brand, it’s holding company, the quality, etc; what matters is if you’re happy with your bag. If so then that’s all that matters. So enjoy it and don’t spend another thought on the quality of this season vs that season.

For me, I don’t want the information in this thread to make anyone feel badly about a purchase that they were previously happy with. That doesn’t mean that the information shouldn’t be shared just the same.

Enjoy your bag!

 

[TPFer2015]

Aww, please don’t feel sad. Just because someone online “deems it lesser quality” doesn’t make it so. Enjoy your bag!
I’ve purchased 5 bags in the last 3 months and I read a handful of people telling me the quality is bad and the service stinks, but it is just not my personal experience. Enjoy your bag

Thanks hon for the cheering up and passing on a bit of self-backing & focus. I am first to put my hand up that I am probably easily affected, esp when it comes to a long-sought-after purchase. I am going to attribute it to self-hype more than anything else. Trying to balance between being objective with my own experience vs other ladies' views on here. Taking your lovely advice to enjoy my bag and have deeply fabulous days out with her!

I don’t think it’s anyone’s intention to make anyone else feel badly about their purchases. At least I hope not.

This thread has become more about all of us learning from each other & making educated purchases. When people spend their hard earned money on anything, they have a right to know what they’re getting for it.

Regardless of the factual dissection of the brand, it’s holding company, the quality, etc; what matters is if you’re happy with your bag. If so then that’s all that matters. So enjoy it and don’t spend another thought on the quality of this season vs that season.

For me, I don’t want the information in this thread to make anyone feel badly about a purchase that they were previously happy with. That doesn’t mean that the information shouldn’t be shared just the same.

Enjoy your bag!

Oh completely, I dont think anyone was being malicious at all, and I think it was actually a number of ladies (so not just one person) who has commented so as I think I saw repeated comments over a variety of threads on the dismal quality of the 22A caramel C19s. I saw number of ppl comment that the 22A caramel shade is uglier or not as nice as the one before and then to see ppl also saying that quality is lesser too, really upset me. And some of these ladies actually own both the 21P and 22A versions, so I respect their views as they are best placed to compare.
Luxury purchases are after all more of an emotional purchase than a rationale one, and so, whilst I know in my head its only me who matters at the end of the day when it comes to my own bag, I guess the heart takes a different direction sometimes.
Thanks for the love & support both, back to enjoying my bag!!

 

[starrysky7]

So far I haven't experienced quality issues with Chanel, I actually find everything I have pretty well made. However what I am seeing in some cases does concern me and I believe is an issue for the image of the brand. And I do believe that the more prices go up, the more nitpicky people will become about quality.

 

[katlina]

Not meaning to hijack this thread( this is kind of relevant) but I’m having this same exact issue Tracey is having, but it is NOT just isolated to Chanel. This is my Lady Dior Diamond Motif in the all black leather, and it too has this strange peeling on the handle and I’ve only worn this a few times. I’m just posting this as a warning to everyone to just be careful what you buy, even outside of Chanel, as this issue isn’t solely isolated to this one company and it can affect all brands. I think this topic, as a whole, deserves awareness because nobody wants to make thousand(s) dollar mistakesView attachment 5593652

thanks for this! I hope u still love ur bag, it’s gorgeous. i assume it’s the attempt to make leather durable by coating it. Happens to luxury and non luxury brands.

 

[pinky7]

thanks for this! I hope u still love ur bag, it’s gorgeous. i assume it’s the attempt to make leather durable by coating it. Happens to luxury and non luxury brands.

I do still love it, but am contemplating bringing it back because of all the scary things I keep hearing about that model in particular. The prices we pay for this are ridiculous and out of this world

 

[Liberté]

Not meaning to hijack this thread( this is kind of relevant) but I’m having this same exact issue Tracey is having, but it is NOT just isolated to Chanel. This is my Lady Dior Diamond Motif in the all black leather, and it too has this strange peeling on the handle and I’ve only worn this a few times. I’m just posting this as a warning to everyone to just be careful what you buy, even outside of Chanel, as this issue isn’t solely isolated to this one company and it can affect all brands. I think this topic, as a whole, deserves awareness because nobody wants to make thousand(s) dollar mistakesView attachment 5593652

The handles are made with a plastic or some other similar material in the centre and the leather is wrapped around it. You can see it briefly in this video.



There's nothing wrong IMHO with using some support in the centre of rolled handles or thicker handles, if they were filled with leather they would've been heavy and too flexible losing the shape most likely. If the leather is too thin or the leather coating is too thin or can't take moisture / heat / abrasion from being hand carried, the problem that you are highlighting may happen. And that is definitely reason to take it back, I would count it as a design flaw. I have a realyl beaten up LV bag where there's plastic inside the piping that is peeking out. I don't think plastic support inside the piping is ok or necessary, the leather should be thick enough to support piping, but for handles like this I can kind of understand it.

 

[gere]

My 19 family. I got them in lamb, haven’t had any issue so far. At first I have doubt choosing between 22 and 19 tote but after try them both. 19 tote give me feeling of luxurious than 22.

 

[LVoe121]

I literally went to the Chanel boutique few weeks ago to see the grey business affinity flap. The bag had colour transfer all over especially the corner. I pointed it out to the sales associate and she took a bag for a wiping and literally rubbed off the treated leather on the edges. The bag was so flimsy and i left the store in shock.

The quality definitely went down. All my other Chanel bag leather were never thus thin.