Chanel’s Rise & STALL: Defects, Difficulties & Deflection (formerly the 19 tote saga thread)

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There is so much info out there about luxury goods and why they are priced as they are. The psychology of it all is very interesting. So little is about quality. Its about the strength of the brand, the image they project and the image people want themselves to have. I have bought into quite a bit of it myself. But as I educate myself and look at some of the things out there now-actually most of it, its like fast fashion. Prices on past collections rising and falling quickly in about a 6 week time frame-I know because I tracked it. It is very seldom that an item retains its value after that.

I do not think most people would buy luxury goods for their quality if the brand name wasn't on it. If the bag or sweater was so well made and the design was great but it did not have a Hermes, Chanel etc name on it but it was one of those brands, it would not sell for half the price. These brands have gotten so rich because we are such good consumers and buy into it all.
Yes marketing definitely plays into it. It always does. As does perceived status and lifestyle. And you are correct if the same well made item as a Chanel sweater were sold without the label it wouldn’t sell for the same price.

I still digress on dismissing the quality aspect. And scoff at the fast fashion analogy.

These brands have gotten so rich because they established themselves as luxury brands a very long time ago, exclusively for the elite, very wealthy royals. These brands were introduced into the US when it’s wealth grew, and eventually people of lower classes started purchasing these items. Then other countries outside of Europe started amassing wealth, like Australia, Asia, Canada, etc. Insert marketing and global brand awareness. Fast forward decades later to a society obsessed with labels unlike we’ve ever seen, thanks to social media and the internet and everyone all over the world being privy to everything, and here we are.

You cannot compare a fast fashion brand to luxury brands who’ve been around longer than all of us.

If you enter a store like Bergdorf’s, Hirschleifer’s, Maxfield’s or Harrod’s (or insert a luxury label or store), all labels are removed and you enter (insert fast fashion label) and all labels are removed, you’d find you couldn’t be more wrong about your assessment. It’s an offensive and ignorant analogy imo.

We can all have our different views, but as someone with a fashion background I take offense to the dismissive comparisons.
 
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Chanel will never address and never confirm, because that's just not what they do.

It appears some are, some aren't. (Maybe earlier versions were just coated leather, more recent versions are bonded per several leather experts who Chanel has sent items to for repair, that cannot be repaired). The totes I posted here were "something else" - I knew immediately when I got them. BUT, to your point, I don't think the 19 bags are delicate. Clearly the 19 totes are unusable...
May I ask if your 19s are goatskin or lambskin? I really want one after seeing your pictures…
 
Yes marketing definitely plays into it. It always does. As does perceived status and lifestyle. And you are correct if the same well made item as a Chanel sweater were sold without the label it wouldn’t sell for the same price.

I still digress on dismissing the quality aspect. And scoff at the fast fashion analogy.

These brands have gotten so rich because they established themselves as luxury brands a very long time ago exclusively for the elite and very wealthy. Once these brands were introduced into the US and the country grew and money became more abundant, people of different classes started purchasing these items. Then other countries outside of Europe started amassing great wealth, in places like Australia, Asia, Canada, etc. Marketing, global brand awareness. Fast forward decades later to a society obsessed with labels unlike we’ve ever seen, thanks to social media and the internet and everyone all over the world being privy to everything, and her we are.

You cannot compare a fast fashion brand to a company who’s been around longer than all of us. To make that statement is ignorant imo.

If you enter a store like Bergdorf’s, Hirschleifer’s, Maxfield’s or Harrod’s (as en example), all labels are removed and you enter (insert fast fashion label) and all labels are removed, you’d find you couldn’t be more wrong about your assessment. It’s an offensive and ignorant analogy imo.

We can all have our different views, but as someone with a fashion background I take offense to the dismissive comparisons.
Well an interesting question for this, or quagmire rather, might be, is a luxury brand still a luxury brand when it's owned by a contemporary brand? I mean, if perception & heritage is everything, doesn't some of that abate after such an acquisition?
 
= why reissues are near worthless on the resale market.....
This is exactly right. Anything without a CC sells for far less. The reissues are known to be very well made too but people would prefer the classic flap because of the branding that goes with it. There are a few long time clients who prefer the history of that style etc.
 
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This is exactly right. Anything without a CC sells for far less. The reissues are known to be very well made too but people would prefer the classic flap because of the branding that goes with it. There are a few long time clients who prefer the history of that style etc.
And that's the glaring contradiction with it all. Reissues are some of the most well-made Chanel bags, but yet resell for maybe the least. So if I were running Chanel I would say, people don't care about quality, cuz see we have these amazing quality bags and no one wants them, we can't sell them, etc BUT here we have this plasticky piece of sh** that we make for $10, how about we just slap a big CC on it and everyone will buy it! And that's the truth. Why would they CARE about quality when they DON'T HAVE TO.
 
This is exactly right. Anything without a CC sells for far less. The reissues are known to be very well made too but people would prefer the classic flap because of the branding that goes with it. There are a few long time clients who prefer the history of that style etc.

Not me! I totally prefer Reissues! I don’t like the most obvious Classic Flaps, haven’t ever bought one.
 
And that's the glaring contradiction with it all. Reissues are some of the most well-made Chanel bags, but yet resell for maybe the least. So if I were running Chanel I would say, people don't care about quality, cuz see we have these amazing quality bags and no one wants them, we can't sell them, etc BUT here we have this plasticky piece of sh** that we make for $10, how about we just slap a big CC on it and everyone will buy it! And that's the truth. Why would they CARE about quality when they DON'T HAVE TO.
One of my friends passed on a piece of RTW because it was ill fitting and it was itchy. It had a big CC on it. Her SA was shocked she was passing on it, and my friend asked her "why would I buy this, it doesn't fit and it doesn't feel nice?" Her SA said "Because it has a big CC on it".. It turns out there was a woman in the next fitting room over so thrilled she could get it, she started crying. My friend was pretty shocked because she felt the sweater was terrible quality. I mean if having the logo on it is what denotes quality.....

Im only sharing what she told me, I didn't see the sweater but my friend is a pretty big RTW and bag buyer, so she knows her quality.
 
Yes I can see why but you are in the small group of people that love them for that reason. I am with you!
Reissues are amazing. I wish they still made the CC version on that bag. The CC actually looks better in my opinion, although I still love the reissue. For me the closure isn’t as easy on the reissue as a CC turn lock. And the hardware closure fades much more because of the larger size. It is incredibly well made and so carefree and classy.
 
One of my friends passed on a piece of RTW because it was ill fitting and it was itchy. It had a big CC on it. Her SA was shocked she was passing on it, and my friend asked her "why would I buy this, it doesn't fit and it doesn't feel nice?" Her SA said "Because it has a big CC on it".. It turns out there was a woman in the next fitting room over so thrilled she could get it, she started crying. My friend was pretty shocked because she felt the sweater was terrible quality. I mean if having the logo on it is what denotes quality.....

Im only sharing what she told me, I didn't see the sweater but my friend is a pretty big RTW and bag buyer, so she knows her quality.
about 10x harder to sell pieces w/ no identifiers than the ones with some ugly logo that's for sure.
 
And that's the glaring contradiction with it all. Reissues are some of the most well-made Chanel bags, but yet resell for maybe the least. So if I were running Chanel I would say, people don't care about quality, cuz see we have these amazing quality bags and no one wants them, we can't sell them, etc BUT here we have this plasticky piece of sh** that we make for $10, how about we just slap a big CC on it and everyone will buy it! And that's the truth. Why would they CARE about quality when they DON'T HAVE TO.
These bags are 80% flex, 20% fashion statement imo. While the quality may or may not be better than a-few-hundred-dollar bags, the difference is not that drastic to justify 10+x price tag.
A lot of people also conflate quality with durability. They want their "investment" bags to last forever and look brand new with daily abuse (hence the popularity and resell value of Chanel caviar and LV canvas). So yes, plasticky piece of sh** with a big CC is what consumers want. :lol:
 
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