And those shared factories in Italy that make all brands of items in the same place - from Vince & Rag & Bone, to Gucci, Chanel, Ferragamo etc. Same leathers. Same workers. Just different brand stamps and prices.
Chanel’s Rise & STALL: Defects, Difficulties & Deflection (formerly the 19 tote saga thread)
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Yes that makes sense. I was looking at Karl Lagerfeld and assuming his products shared facilities but I don't know that for certain. His products seem pretty average quality wise. Im just not buying into the notion that we are getting more for our money these days. I did believe it 5 years ago but not any more.
After all, it’s meant to be fashion. Function, quality & durability are afterthoughts. Leather goods houses probably have a different approach, logically.
From what I’ve heard, Prada only sources yarn from ECONYL, the fabric production is made by Limonta, the final product is high-performance with a synthetic resin coating.
I think Aquafil ECONYL only makes the yarn, other factories make the fabric.
I think Aquafil ECONYL only makes the yarn, other factories make the fabric.
From the Karl Lagerfeld site. This bag retails at $248 and its shiny lambskin.
THE AGYNESS COLLECTION SPEAKS TO THE BRAND'S HERITAGE WITH TIMELESS DETAILS. LUXURIOUS, CLASSIC SHAPES EMBODY REFINED ELEGANCE WITH SIGNATURE LEATHER QUILTING, FLAP CLOSURES, TURN LOCKS, AND CHAIN DETAILS. A RESURGENCE OF BOUCLE IS A MODERN NOD TO THE BRAND'S PRESTIGIOUS PAST.
AS ONE OF THE WORLD’S MOST CELEBRATED FASHION DESIGNERS, KARL LAGERFELD IS RENOWNED FOR HIS ASPIRATIONAL AND CUTTING-EDGE APPROACH TO STYLE. THE ICONIC DESIGNER’S NAMESAKE FASHION HOUSE, HEADQUARTERED IN PARIS’ SAINT-GERMAIN-DES-PRÉS DISTRICT, REFLECTS HIS OWN SIGNATURE AESTHETIC THROUGH CREATIVE, COOL AND ACCESSIBLE-LUXE APPAREL AND ACCESSORIES. NOW, KARL LAGERFELD BRINGS HIS UNIQUE VISION OF PARISIAN CHIC TO AMERICA: KARL LAGERFELD PARIS, WITH COLLECTIONS INCLUDING READY-TO-WEAR FOR WOMEN, ACCESSORIES, SHOES AND BAGS. THE FASHION HOUSE KARL LAGERFELD ALSO OFFERS A RANGE OF WATCHES, EYEWEAR AND PREMIUM FRAGRANCES.
THE AGYNESS COLLECTION SPEAKS TO THE BRAND'S HERITAGE WITH TIMELESS DETAILS. LUXURIOUS, CLASSIC SHAPES EMBODY REFINED ELEGANCE WITH SIGNATURE LEATHER QUILTING, FLAP CLOSURES, TURN LOCKS, AND CHAIN DETAILS. A RESURGENCE OF BOUCLE IS A MODERN NOD TO THE BRAND'S PRESTIGIOUS PAST.
- LAMB LEATHER
- FLAP CLOSURE WITH TURN LOCK
- EXTERIOR: 1 BACK SLIP POCKET
- INTERIOR: 1 ZIPPER POCKET, 1 SLIP POCKET
- ADJUSTABLE AND CONVERTIBLE CHAIN STRAPS
- 11" - 19" STRAP DROP
- 10"W X 6"H X 3"D
- WIPE CLEAN
- IMPORTED
AS ONE OF THE WORLD’S MOST CELEBRATED FASHION DESIGNERS, KARL LAGERFELD IS RENOWNED FOR HIS ASPIRATIONAL AND CUTTING-EDGE APPROACH TO STYLE. THE ICONIC DESIGNER’S NAMESAKE FASHION HOUSE, HEADQUARTERED IN PARIS’ SAINT-GERMAIN-DES-PRÉS DISTRICT, REFLECTS HIS OWN SIGNATURE AESTHETIC THROUGH CREATIVE, COOL AND ACCESSIBLE-LUXE APPAREL AND ACCESSORIES. NOW, KARL LAGERFELD BRINGS HIS UNIQUE VISION OF PARISIAN CHIC TO AMERICA: KARL LAGERFELD PARIS, WITH COLLECTIONS INCLUDING READY-TO-WEAR FOR WOMEN, ACCESSORIES, SHOES AND BAGS. THE FASHION HOUSE KARL LAGERFELD ALSO OFFERS A RANGE OF WATCHES, EYEWEAR AND PREMIUM FRAGRANCES.
Its very nice and people seem to love it. Im curious to see what these other well known brands are doing with it.
Looks like it’s more involved than that? On the econyl site re: Prada re-nylon
Prada use Regenereted Nylon Econyl
Discover Prada one of the brands that uses regenerated nylon Econyl.
And on the Prada site directly :
They partnered with Prada and Nat Geo for PR about how sustainable the yarn is. Since Prada’s whole shtick is Nylon it was a big deal for them.Looks like it’s more involved than that? On the econyl site re: Prada re-nylon
Prada use Regenereted Nylon Econyl
Discover Prada one of the brands that uses regenerated nylon Econyl.www.econyl.com
And on the Prada site directly :
There was this whole initial launch with a mini capsule collection of navy re-nylon Prada bags w/ special patches. But ECONYL is very explicit that they produce yarn.
All really interesting. Just watched all the videos. At least there’s a stab at some transparency. It’s refreshing.
Someone pls buy one and compare
Omg. Great idea.Someone pls buy one and compare
So are the 19s made out of bonded leather or not? I see many people here saying “I can’t believe it’s made out of bonded leather…” has this been confirmed or everything is alleged? The reason I asked is because I’ve been babying my 19 thinking it’s delicate!!
Chanel will never address and never confirm, because that's just not what they do.
It appears some are, some aren't. (Maybe earlier versions were just coated leather, more recent versions are bonded per several leather experts who Chanel has sent items to for repair, that cannot be repaired). The totes I posted here were "something else" - I knew immediately when I got them. BUT, to your point, I don't think the 19 bags are delicate. Clearly the 19 totes are unusable...
Great thread! Thank you OP and everyone else that chimed in. No doubt Chanel’s quality has gone downhill. My first purchase was back in 2004. It wasn’t until 2016 that I began noticing certain things but no where near what it’s been the last two years. Thankfully I’ve been careful with what I buy and have been satisfied with all my purchases. I didn’t like the 19 bag when it first came out, but then it started to appeal to me. So I reached out my SA for one and for whatever reason I was still on the fence about it. I finally went to a boutique to check it out. My first impression was that it felt and looked cheap! It was an immediate no for me. I looked at both, the lambskin and goatskin. So glad I didn’t get one in either, BUT I did get one in pink tweed and I’ve been happy with it, although I hardly take it out .
So sorry to everyone that’s dealt with a bad piece.
So sorry to everyone that’s dealt with a bad piece.
I think they sell them at Saks Off 5th if anyone is headed over there.Someone pls buy one and compare