Wait for togo. I have an Epsom and a Togo Birkin and I think Togo feels more luxurious. You need to wait for what you want.
B25 Togo vs Epsom
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Likewise - I wouldn’t get an Epsom B (though would happily buy an Epsom Constance).
I can tolerant an Epsom B down to size 30, I have 1 B30 as Epsom is the only leather available in that colour. But I think B25 would be awkawd in Epsom. Togo is much better. I would wait.
Can you please explain why most of you don't like epsom? I want to buy a b35 GHW (don't know the colour, probably beige/grey) and i like very structured bags. I do not want to lose its shape. I want it to look stiff. I know that epsom is the best leather for that, but everybody says that togo is better. Why? Togo holds its shape?
I'm not an expert, but for me, epsom is kind of dry and has a coating that I don't like. I have heard it takes color very well. Togo feels more luxurious and soft as a leather. I don't think I would mind epsom in SLGs or a Kelly Sellier. I tend to prefer supple leathers and I don't mind something losing its shape or getting scratched, etc.
I think for some it's quite simply because they don't like the feel / look of Epsom. It's more plastic-y and less leathery / luxurious. People can also be fine with Epsom in SLGs or certain bags (for example, Constances - where the scratch-resistant nature of Epsom is really useful because of the bag closure design) but prefer to have a more pleasing leather in other cases. It can also depend on bag sizes. There's also this problem with Epsom becoming "wavy" or wrinkled as a flip side of its rigidness, see here: https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/gold-epsom-birkin-wavy-leather.1016985/. Also Epsom bag corners can wear faster. Finally I believe many say that Epsom spas less well - not that it can't be spa'ed at all, but maybe there are cases where it's more difficult due to Epsom being an embossed leather. I'm actually not super certain on how true that since I've got no first-hand experience on spa-ing Epsom & we've got some reports of people managing to get their Epsom scratches fixed!
The whole debate on Epsom is a quite commonly brought up topic, check this thread for some more opinions, specifically on Togo vs Epsom: https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/hermes-epsom-or-togo-leather.1017565/
Here's an old thread that should still be useful with some information: https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/calling-all-epsom-birkin-owners.369362/
Probably there are even more if you search the forum
But honestly I think for most of us it's just how it looks lol
HTH. I would like to remind you though to not let what others like affect what you like. I do think we here on tPF tend to dislike Epsom more than general too. If this leather isn't liked by many, H would not be using it this much!
If you like how Epsom looks / its properties (many of which are very useful), go for it!
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Many people love Epsom - it's actually very popular here, and if you love it, don't let anyone dissuade you.
I personally don't like it because it's an embossed leather, meaning instead of the natural grain there is a grain printed into the leather. For me, this feels plasticky. I also don't like the way it wears. It is one of my deal-breakers in a bag. But....as with any leather its a plus if some don't like it...more bags for you!
If you like a bag with structure Epsom is ideal for a B35, which is a large bag. Togo is not a stiff leather and will relax in a large size bag with use, especially if it is an everyday bag. Epsom will retain its shape. Don’t let people put you off the leather by saying it does not feel like leather or is plasticy. It is light, stiff, takes color brilliantly and does well in water. All leathers are different, some slouch, some leathers scratch, some leathers don’t do water. Buy what you like in a bag and you have less chance of regretting your purchase. Don’t be talked out of this leather if you are drawn to it.
my friend has a chocolate courchevel (first edition of epsom). It still looks amazing and had absolutely no problem. It is probably more than 20 yo. I think people have preferences on how they want their leather to look and I would not be swayed if you like epsom. I personally have a b30 in epsom and have no problem thus far after owning it for 2 years+ now.
I don’t like epsom the most but I have a B30 in epsom and I really like it because the color is saturated and because it’s lightweight and sturdy. I probably won’t buy another epsom birkin (Togo is my favorite because it feels more like leather) but I do like this one a lot. B30 in epsom does have slightly wavy leather after a while, but it’s not floppy. I don’t notice a huge difference in the sangles coming loose between the togo and epsom. It might be good to have a variety of leathers. See if you like it in person maybe.
I prefer different bags in different leathers. Epsom is great for a B35 because it won’t get slouchy and it will be as light as possible. It’s also great for small, structured Kellys (which are only offered in Epsom unless you manage to get an SO in chevre or Togo). Once you learn the pros and cons of each leather, it’s just a matter of personal preference.
I just bought a Birkin 30 gold togo with PHW and although I think it's also very pretty with GHW, I prefer the more casual and modern look of gold togo with PHW. Many here regard the gold togo GHW as a HG combination, but it wasn't what I love. After reading pros and cons to specific leathers, buy what you love.
