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#6,991
lightpinkdaisy said:
I am really confused: I keep comparing it to my ring and I think my engraving is a bit smaller, more subtle and placed a little higher. But without the pictures of hallmarks and serial numbers, I can't be certain. And please ask the seller if the picture of engraving is a mirror image. I wish I could be more help :)

An update: I just found the original listing of the ring and the pictures are more clear there and I am afraid the Chopard hallmark inside the ring does not look right at all.
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That's what I thought as well. I think I'd pass on this one. Too bad it's a good deal if it's genuine. LOL. Thank you so much for your help! :) :)
 
#6,994
baggadelic said:
Hello tPF members,

URGENT! I received word that these Cartier Love Cuff might be available still, but before I buy, can some one please help me authenticate them?
Here is the 2 items, thank you ver y much, I really appreciate whoever can help me :)

1) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140931078877

2) http://www.ebay.com/itm/CARTIER-LOV...Gq7UhJ%2FzR%2Ft4PScCQ%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
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I compared them to my Love cuff and they both look authentic :)
 
#6,996
xxsparklexx said:
Hi again,

my obsession with hearts continues :D...

could someone take a look at these pictures for me? The first set are of an open heart pendant, the smaller medium size, things that make me unsure of this one are the hallmarks on the heart, it has Tiffany & Co. Elsa Peretti 925 - but no 'spain'- is that always part of the hallmark? Also the tag next to the clasp, there is only one tag and it says Tiffany & Co. on one side and Peretti on the other.
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This is authentic. Not all of the older vintage Peretti hearts are stamped Spain. This is seen on the vintage necklaces mostly.
 
#6,997
xxsparklexx said:
Second set of pictures are of a 3 heart necklace and bracelet set -

The 3 pics here are the bracelet - things I am unsure about on these are - there are no markings on any of the hearts (I don't know if there should be), there is one tag next to the clasp (my Open heart pendant has 2), which has Peretti on one side and Tiffany & Co. on the other, the edge of the tag is flat and not a smooth tapered edge like my Open heart pendant chain.

Can anyone tell me if these really are Elsa Peretti? :smile1:
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I see some red flags with this bracelet. The tag next to the spring clasp should be smooth and taper smoothly from one side to the next. There is also a red flag in the shape of the hearts, imo.
 
#6,998
xxsparklexx said:
Finally, these pictures are of the necklace -

this also has no markings on the hearts and is the same as the bracelet as far as the tag next to the clasp etc.

BTW both items have 925 on the side of the clasp :smile1:

Thank you for taking the time to look
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The tag next to the spring clasp concerns me, I have never seen a piece of Tiffany with a tag like that. I see some red flags with this necklace and question its authenticity.
 
#6,999
sadiesthegirl said:
The tag next to the spring clasp concerns me, I have never seen a piece of Tiffany with a tag like that. I see some red flags with this necklace and question its authenticity.
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Hi again,
same here, I have seen a few different tags, but none like this, also the part of the clasp (that attaches to the chain) isn't soldered on the necklace or bracelet. I had a bad feeling about these :nogood:
I emailed the seller and she is 'astonished' that I am suggesting they are not real. Are there any other red flags you can see with either piece? I may end up having to keep them if I can't prove whether or not they are genuine...
I have looked on Ebay and other similar items seem to have 2 tags next to the clasp, not just the one.
TIA for your help :smile1:
 
#7,000
xxsparklexx said:
Hi again,
same here, I have seen a few different tags, but none like this, also the part of the clasp (that attaches to the chain) isn't soldered on the necklace or bracelet. I had a bad feeling about these :nogood:
I emailed the seller and she is 'astonished' that I am suggesting they are not real. Are there any other red flags you can see with either piece? I may end up having to keep them if I can't prove whether or not they are genuine...
I have looked on Ebay and other similar items seem to have 2 tags next to the clasp, not just the one.
TIA for your help :smile1:
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There is no question to me, the bracelet and necklace are not authentic. They are not consistent with Tiffany quality. The tag next to the spring clasp on each piece is incorrect in shape. The font on the tags are also incorrect. The shape and how the hearts lie flat also raise a red flag to me. There are multiple rings (possibly to lengthen the bracelet for length) that are not Tiffany.

You would be amazed at how many ebay sellers are 'amazed' and 'shocked' when you bring an inauthentic piece to their attention. Many sellers on ebay buy from estates, were given jewelry as gifts and are selling because they don't want it, etc...but they don't know what to look for and assume that because its marked 'Tiffany & Co that its real.

If this is a ebay transaction- message the seller your concerns (sounds like you have) and ask for a return with full refund. It doesn't matter if they accept returns or not- this is a SNAD and for this reason, ebay and paypal should back you up. If the seller refuses to take the return, open a case through ebay. As far as I know, ebay doesn't require the buyer to get authentication on Tiffany items at this point. When speaking to the seller, stick to the facts and keep asking for a return. Keep your 45 day time frame in mind and definitely open a case if you aren't getting anywhere with the seller.

edited to add- for the issue of two tags next to the spring clasp vs one tag- it depends on the piece. Some Peretti pieces have one tag only, some have two. It depends on the jewelry item. The fact that a Tiffany Peretti piece only has one tag is not a red flag to me. The issue with the necklace and bracelet are the shape of the tag and the fact that Tiffany never made a tag like that and also the craftsmanship of the hearts.
 
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sadiesthegirl said:
There is no question to me, the bracelet and necklace are not authentic. They are not consistent with Tiffany quality. The tag next to the spring clasp on each piece is incorrect in shape. The font on the tags are also incorrect. The shape and how the hearts lie flat also raise a red flag to me. There are multiple rings (possibly to lengthen the bracelet for length) that are not Tiffany.

You would be amazed at how many ebay sellers are 'amazed' and 'shocked' when you bring an inauthentic piece to their attention. Many sellers on ebay buy from estates, were given jewelry as gifts and are selling because they don't want it, etc...but they don't know what to look for and assume that because its marked 'Tiffany & Co that its real.

If this is a ebay transaction- message the seller your concerns (sounds like you have) and ask for a return with full refund. It doesn't matter if they accept returns or not- this is a SNAD and for this reason, ebay and paypal should back you up. If the seller refuses to take the return, open a case through ebay. As far as I know, ebay doesn't require the buyer to get authentication on Tiffany items at this point. When speaking to the seller, stick to the facts and keep asking for a return. Keep your 45 day time frame in mind and definitely open a case if you aren't getting anywhere with the seller.

edited to add- for the issue of two tags next to the spring clasp vs one tag- it depends on the piece. Some Peretti pieces have one tag only, some have two. It depends on the jewelry item. The fact that a Tiffany Peretti piece only has one tag is not a red flag to me. The issue with the necklace and bracelet are the shape of the tag and the fact that Tiffany never made a tag like that and also the craftsmanship of the hearts.
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Thank you :smile1:

The transaction wasn't through Ebay, but was via Paypal.

I have emailed the seller via the Paypal resolution centre (as she ignored my earlier emails). The seller keeps coming back to me saying 'who told you it isn't real' etc, my reply each time is to re-iterate the issues with the necklace and bracelet and ask for a full refund. I have escalated it to a Paypal claim now, but this is were I think I may need to provide proof? I have never opened a Paypal claim for fake items, only Ebay ones (who, credit to Ebay have always found in my favour), so I'm not sure what to expect now.

Thank you so much for your help with this
 
#7,002
sadiesthegirl said:
There is no question to me, the bracelet and necklace are not authentic. They are not consistent with Tiffany quality. The tag next to the spring clasp on each piece is incorrect in shape. The font on the tags are also incorrect. The shape and how the hearts lie flat also raise a red flag to me. There are multiple rings (possibly to lengthen the bracelet for length) that are not Tiffany.

You would be amazed at how many ebay sellers are 'amazed' and 'shocked' when you bring an inauthentic piece to their attention. Many sellers on ebay buy from estates, were given jewelry as gifts and are selling because they don't want it, etc...but they don't know what to look for and assume that because its marked 'Tiffany & Co that its real.

If this is a ebay transaction- message the seller your concerns (sounds like you have) and ask for a return with full refund. It doesn't matter if they accept returns or not- this is a SNAD and for this reason, ebay and paypal should back you up. If the seller refuses to take the return, open a case through ebay. As far as I know, ebay doesn't require the buyer to get authentication on Tiffany items at this point. When speaking to the seller, stick to the facts and keep asking for a return. Keep your 45 day time frame in mind and definitely open a case if you aren't getting anywhere with the seller.

edited to add- for the issue of two tags next to the spring clasp vs one tag- it depends on the piece. Some Peretti pieces have one tag only, some have two. It depends on the jewelry item. The fact that a Tiffany Peretti piece only has one tag is not a red flag to me. The issue with the necklace and bracelet are the shape of the tag and the fact that Tiffany never made a tag like that and also the craftsmanship of the hearts.
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Me again....

If a Peretti piece only has one tag, should it have Peretti on there? I know on other pieces of mine one of the hearts has the Elsa Peretti signature when there is no tag.
The tags on both the necklace and bracelet have just 'Tiffany & Co.' and '925' and there is no 'Peretti' anywhere, is this another red flag??

I think I have lost my money :sick:
 
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#7,004
xxsparklexx said:
Me again....

If a Peretti piece only has one tag, should it have Peretti on there? I know on other pieces of mine one of the hearts has the Elsa Peretti signature when there is no tag.
The tags on both the necklace and bracelet have just 'Tiffany & Co.' and '925' and there is no 'Peretti' anywhere, is this another red flag??

I think I have lost my money :sick:
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I would also call paypal and explain the situation. Ask them if there is anything else you need to do or provide for your case. I have never heard of paypal asking for proof in writing for fake Tiffany, I don't think they will ask for it. I hope there is not a lot of money involved here. If paypal doesn't force a refund, you could fall back on a credit card chargeback if you used one to fund the sale.

When it comes to the tags on Elsa Peretti- yes, even if the item has only one tag next to the clasp, Elsa Peretti or Peretti should be one of the markings.
 
#7,005
sadiesthegirl said:
I would also call paypal and explain the situation. Ask them if there is anything else you need to do or provide for your case. I have never heard of paypal asking for proof in writing for fake Tiffany, I don't think they will ask for it. I hope there is not a lot of money involved here. If paypal doesn't force a refund, you could fall back on a credit card chargeback if you used one to fund the sale.

When it comes to the tags on Elsa Peretti- yes, even if the item has only one tag next to the clasp, Elsa Peretti or Peretti should be one of the markings.
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Thanks again,

I didn't use a credit card to fund the sale unfortunately, it was funded completely by cleared Paypal funds from Ebay sales.

Also, thanks for clarifying about the Peretti markings as this is an issue the seller can't dispute - there are no Peretti markings anywhere on the items.

I''l let you know how it pans out...
 
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