The hangtag on the last one, the "Willis", is fake, the turnlock padding isn't quite right, the shape of the leather turnlock trim is very slightly "off, and the word "Leatherware" under the Coach logo is in the wrong place in the cartouche. There was never ANY genuine creed stamp with that placement, all the older "Leatherware" lozenges had almost exactly the same placement, see below:
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The hangtag on the last one, the "Willis", is fake, the turnlock padding isn't quite right, the shape of the leather turnlock trim is very slightly "off, and the word "Leatherware" under the Coach logo is in the wrong place in the cartouche. There was never ANY genuine creed stamp with that placement, all the older "Leatherware" lozenges had almost exactly the same placement, see below:
Yes, I wrote the Guides at Salearea's request. I hope they're useful to you, and feel free to ask if you have any questions.
I recommend reading all of them since they really were meant to be used together, and sometimes there will be information in one that probably should have been in several others too, but I didn't want to keep repeating myself. Also remember that they're almost 2 years old and some information may be slightly outdated.
Thanks for confirming that this listing from orange-yellow is another fake. (The others have poofed.)
Hi, is this purse authentic? I am new to this and I thought that usually the creed isn't spaced out. Just trying to learn so I know what to look for. Thanks!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=161247148499
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=161247148499
Hi, is this purse authentic? I am new to this and I thought that usually the creed isn't spaced out. Just trying to learn so I know what to look for. Thanks!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=161247148499
Actually, the creed isn't spaced out, the serial number is.
But depending on the bag and the plant and the year that may not be a problem. You have to understand that there are NO "One-Rule-Fits-all" rules about details on Coach bags. Every detail of the creeds, creed statements, hangtags, serial numbers, zippers, zipper pulls, fabric, EVERYTHING - changes almost every year and can even be different between different bags made at the same time or in the same plant. If you've read any of those worse-than-useless "authenticity guides" that claim that all Coaches have a certain detail and any one that doesn't have it is fake, ignore them completely. Most of them are just plain deceptive and even dangerous to depend on.
The only way to know if a detail is right for one specific style from a specific plant made in a specific month and year is to ask an expert. That one looks ok.
They apparently assigned a certain sequence to each plant. A lot of early Sheridans had numbers that were very close to each other. But that's just a guess.
Hello Ladies..Question: To the best of anybody's knowledge was there ever a catalogue/list from the Cashin era that listed the bags Bonnie Cashin actually DID design?
As many sellers use the term so freely I began to wonder just how one does determine this...Thanks as always!
As many sellers use the term so freely I began to wonder just how one does determine this...Thanks as always!
DemRam is much more knowledgeable of BC items than I am but I'll comment on what I do have experience with.Hello Ladies..Question: To the best of anybody's knowledge was there ever a catalogue/list from the Cashin era that listed the bags Bonnie Cashin actually DID design?
As many sellers use the term so freely I began to wonder just how one does determine this...Thanks as always!
I don't know whether there was a list or catalog.
Frankly, I'm leery of most listings described as "Bonnie Cashin," "Bonnie Cashin-era" and even "vintage." I think most sellers use those key words less for accuracy in describing the items and more for getting additional views for their listings.
Personally, I wouldn't use BC unless I was absolutely positive that the item was a BC item.
I've sold 2 Bonnie Cashin items, one which was "Bonnie Cashin for Meyers" with an imprint and the other a Bonnie Cashin bucket bag.
Had the bucket bag not been NWT, I wouldn't have known it was a BC because the only "hallmarks" were the black enamel Coach nameplate and the striped lining. (I've learned that the lining isn't necessarily BC and that leftover lining is said to have been used by Coach rather than be discarded.) But because there was a tag attached, I knew I could accurately describe it as "Bonnie Cashin" without being accused of KWS.
The first picture was the imprint from the BC for Meyers bag.
The other two pictures are of the bag without any other marking than "Coach" and the lining and the tag that told me it was a BC bag.
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Thank you so much for that information! I'm take pictures and post them tomorrow and let you experts give me the skinny on the bag!
I'm going to read the guide right now.
Yasmeen
Wow, you had a bucket! I remember one on ebay for $400 or more and it wasn't NWT! I hope you made a killing on it!
Hello Ladies..Question: To the best of anybody's knowledge was there ever a catalogue/list from the Cashin era that listed the bags Bonnie Cashin actually DID design?
As many sellers use the term so freely I began to wonder just how one does determine this...Thanks as always!
There may have been small "flyers" but AFAIK there wasn't any kind of full-line catalog. The only records of Bonnie Cashin's designs for Coach are at Coach's NYC archive and at the Bonnie Cashin Foundation. I've seen teaser pics of ads or flyers for Cashin styles in photos from the archive but just the front pages.
One thing for sure, it's an absolutely safe bet that since Cashin left Coach in 1974, no bags made after that date are "Cashin-era" bags. That means that most if not all bags with serial numbers, and absolutely NO bags with serial numbers that include any letter of the alphabet, were made during Cashin's time.
A tiny handful of her designs have made it through to the present, like the style 9085 Duffle Sac. But probably 80 to 90 percent of bags listed as Cashin Era or Bonnie Cashin bags have no connection at all to that designer.
Unfortunately, I didn't make a killing. After deducting ebay and PP fees plus my cost, I made about $50.
That would have made me sick. It's probably why I'm hanging on to more bags than I could possibly use. I just don't see the point of selling if there isn't a big profit, especially if I'll probably never find another one just like it again.
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