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Two.time.bags said:
Item: Waverly tote
Item no: 380836295689
Seller: ggerg23
Link: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AUTHENTI...689?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item58ab9cb409
Comment: has J8Y prefix
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Please wait for other opinions on this because I"m not authetnicating. I wanted to point out another post for a bag with the identical serial number and the description of the problems seem to match the listing that ggerg23 has:
http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-763164-69.html#post22601683
 
#62
Want Real Purse said:
Is this a picture of a good fake or a good Coach?

yes, that's exactly what I meant about under the flap. I think they changed it when they came out with the spectator version in 2001.
Here's an example of it: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Authen...item3f2f7cf6be
The back of the turnlock on the inside of the flap on the fake has grooves around the prongs. A Coach turnlock is smooth on the underside. On some of the better fakes, this is one of the few things they get wrong.
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The link is broken so we don't know the item number and can't see the listing.

Please refer to post #1 here for the information that helps us identify listings and avoid duplicate authentications:
http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-855067.html#post26197404
 
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#64
newbieshopper said:
Item #1: Classic City Bag (Style #: 9790)
Listing number: [FONT=&quot]161223326490[/FONT]
Seller: coachclassics
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-COACH-V...490?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item2589a8bb1a

Item #2: Crossbody Tote (Not sure of exact name/style #)
Listing number: [FONT=&quot]161220841489[/FONT]
Seller: coachclassics
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-Vinta...489?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item258982d011

Comments: I unfortunately already ordered a coach bag (a Court Bag which I will later post about here after I receive it) before finding this site, but would like to hear your thoughts on these bags, which arefrom the same seller.

I’m a little concerned because the bag I purchased did not show a clear picture of the creed and serial (both were partially obscured by shadow, though the photo itself was clear), which is something that the seller has done for item #1 as well. Several other Coach bags sold by this person also don’t provide a photo of the creed or serial, and those that do look a little funny to me; see item #2 (spaced kind of far?).

I didn’t have these doubts when I first looked into my own purchase from this seller, but after reading the posts on this forum I’ve gotten quite wary! Thanks for your help!
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They both seem genuine but neither is "vintage" based on that description being for bags 20 years old or older.

The City Bag was made in China, the date isn't visible but its no older than 2005 or 2006.

The Camel-colored one is a Legacy Zip made in 1999.

I'm not sure which bag you're describing as "item 2" since picture order changes as items sell and also will be different depending on how they're selected to be displayed (Ending soonest, best match, etc). Please use the 12-number Listing Number in each auction or the actual URL of the listing instead. And many serial numbers especially in older or vintage bags DID have unusual spacing. If you mean the style 9893, it's perfectly genuine.

The seller does need to clearly show the full serial number though, maybe she's trying to cover up the fact that most of her "vintage" bags aren't.
 
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#65
newbieshopper said:
Item #1: Classic City Bag (Style #: 9790)
Listing number: [FONT=&quot]161223326490[/FONT]
Seller: coachclassics
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-COACH-V...490?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item2589a8bb1a

Item #2: Crossbody Tote (Not sure of exact name/style #)
Listing number: [FONT=&quot]161220841489[/FONT]
Seller: coachclassics
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-Vinta...489?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item258982d011

Comments: I unfortunately already ordered a coach bag (a Court Bag which I will later post about here after I receive it) before finding this site, but would like to hear your thoughts on these bags, which arefrom the same seller.

I’m a little concerned because the bag I purchased did not show a clear picture of the creed and serial (both were partially obscured by shadow, though the photo itself was clear), which is something that the seller has done for item #1 as well. Several other Coach bags sold by this person also don’t provide a photo of the creed or serial, and those that do look a little funny to me; see item #2 (spaced kind of far?).

I didn’t have these doubts when I first looked into my own purchase from this seller, but after reading the posts on this forum I’ve gotten quite wary! Thanks for your help!
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Hyacinth said:
They both seem genuine but neither is "vintage" based on that description being for bags 20 years old or older.

The City Bag was made in China, the date isn't visible but its no older than 2005 or 2006.

The Camel-colored one is a Legacy Zip made in 1999.
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I have a comment on the seller, coachclassics.

For someone who sells as much Coach as she does, I found some of her listing habits odd. (Yup, I went through ALL current and completed!)

In some listings, she shows full, clear and legible pictures of creeds and serial numbers. In other listings, it appears that she (purposely?) hides parts of serial numbers by either showing shadows or with her finger, giving me the impression that she either thinks she's hiding something or doesn't know as much about Coach as she thinks she does.

Fingers hiding part of serial number:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NWT-COACH-Vintage-Red-Leather-Legacy-Lunch-Tote-Bag-Purse-Retail-278-9846-/161151687502?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item2585639b4e&nma=true&si=a7thJ71kA9cL9EDxt4hfDBghBww%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
or
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-COACH-V...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Shadow hiding part of serial number:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mint-COACH-...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Yet this listing (and others) show a clear and full creed:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LK-NU-COACH...978?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item2589b4ceda
 
#66
Two.time.bags said:
Item: Waverly tote
Item no: 380836295689
Seller: ggerg23
Link: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AUTHENTI...689?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item58ab9cb409
Comment: has J8Y prefix
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BeenBurned said:
Please wait for other opinions on this because I"m not authetnicating. I wanted to point out another post for a bag with the identical serial number and the description of the problems seem to match the listing that ggerg23 has:
http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-763164-69.html#post22601683
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Without ever seeing a proveably genuine one, I'm convinced that any J8Y- prefix is probably fake unless proven otherwise. This one has the too-rounded stitching at the handle bases and the strange leather zipper pull.

What is a big red flag is that the serial font by itself is EXACTLY the same and the serial has exactly the same details as the two pictures below of an absolutely positively 100 percent FAKE Signature bag with off-center Cs and a 1998 year code - compare the two to the red "Bleecker" - NOT Waverly! Satchel that two.time.bags asked about, shown as picture #3.

ETA - One tiny difference I noticed - the "8" in the probably fake red Bleecker SEEMS to be upside down - which tells me that these fake numbers were all individually hand-set into some kind of base that allowed them to be removed and switched around as needed, unlike the rotating serial number stamp that Coach used up until around 2000. All the digits in the J8Y- photos in my files are lined up and spaced EXACTLY the same which means a rotating stamp was NOT used to stamp them - they're too perfect.

However to me that's really not enough solid evidence for them to be reported unless there are screamingly obvious mistakes in addition to those small ones. That's the kind of fake that would fool 99.999 percent of the sellers on Ebay or anyplace else. I wouldn't report it but I wouldn't buy it either. JMO. (But if anyone knows the seller fairly well they might want to refer her or him to these posts and let them decide for themselves what action to take.)
 

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#70
Want Real Purse said:
Is this a picture of a good fake or a good Coach?

yes, that's exactly what I meant about under the flap. I think they changed it when they came out with the spectator version in 2001.
Here's an example of it: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Authen...item3f2f7cf6be
The back of the turnlock on the inside of the flap on the fake has grooves around the prongs. A Coach turnlock is smooth on the underside. On some of the better fakes, this is one of the few things they get wrong.
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I believe you were quoting me. The bag that I posted of the spectator version is authentic.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/271379658430?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
 
#71
Hyacinth said:
Without ever seeing a proveably genuine one, I'm convinced that any J8Y- prefix is probably fake unless proven otherwise. This one has the too-rounded stitching at the handle bases and the strange leather zipper pull.

What is a big red flag is that the serial font by itself is EXACTLY the same and the serial has exactly the same details as the two pictures below of an absolutely positively 100 percent FAKE Signature bag with off-center Cs and a 1998 year code - compare the two to the red "Bleecker" - NOT Waverly! Satchel that two.time.bags asked about, shown as picture #3.

ETA - One tiny difference I noticed - the "8" in the probably fake red Bleecker SEEMS to be upside down - which tells me that these fake numbers were all individually hand-set into some kind of base that allowed them to be removed and switched around as needed, unlike the rotating serial number stamp that Coach used up until around 2000. All the digits in the J8Y- photos in my files are lined up and spaced EXACTLY the same which means a rotating stamp was NOT used to stamp them - they're too perfect.

However to me that's really not enough solid evidence for them to be reported unless there are screamingly obvious mistakes in addition to those small ones. That's the kind of fake that would fool 99.999 percent of the sellers on Ebay or anyplace else. I wouldn't report it but I wouldn't buy it either. JMO. (But if anyone knows the seller fairly well they might want to refer her or him to these posts and let them decide for themselves what action to take.)
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Here's another J8Y to add to your collection. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Purse...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Note the horse and carriage imprint on the front of the bag.
 
#72
Thanks so much for the input Hyacinth and BeenBurned! I'll try to be more clear when I'm referencing the bags in my next post. :smile1:

Also, BeenBurned--I saw that this seller (coachclassics) obscured some of the creeds in her photos for other items as well. The bag I ordered from her had the photo of the creed partially obscured by shadow as well (though I could read the syle # at least). Did you notice that she also has more than one of the same item listed right now? Looking at her past sales, I also saw that she sold the same style of an item a few different times; I don't know if this is a cause for concern (the items were spaced apart by several months) but isn't it often a red flag if a seller sells multiples of the same item?
 
#73
Hello Ladies..One quick question. I know 'E' is for the Italy plant, but for some reason I seem to recall
seeing it written that there were a few bags made in the US with an 'E'. Or did I confuse that with some of the bags made in Italy were also made in the US?? Anyway, I would appreciate a definitive answer to get this straight in my head once & for all!
Thanks!
 
#74
TBL2 said:
Hello Ladies..One quick question. I know 'E' is for the Italy plant, but for some reason I seem to recall
seeing it written that there were a few bags made in the US with an 'E'. Or did I confuse that with some of the bags made in Italy were also made in the US?? Anyway, I would appreciate a definitive answer to get this straight in my head once & for all!
Thanks!
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Bags that say they were made in the US with E plant codes are fake. There's never been a provably authentic US bag with E.
 
#75
newbieshopper said:
Thanks so much for the input Hyacinth and BeenBurned! I'll try to be more clear when I'm referencing the bags in my next post. :smile1:

Also, BeenBurned--I saw that this seller (coachclassics) obscured some of the creeds in her photos for other items as well. The bag I ordered from her had the photo of the creed partially obscured by shadow as well (though I could read the syle # at least). Did you notice that she also has more than one of the same item listed right now? Looking at her past sales, I also saw that she sold the same style of an item a few different times; I don't know if this is a cause for concern (the items were spaced apart by several months) but isn't it often a red flag if a seller sells multiples of the same item?
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I'm not sure which ones you're referring to that were sold.

If you look at the completed, the prices in red are unsold. They were probably just relisted multiple times.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/coachclassi...dbags&hash=item2589a8bb1a&LH_Complete=1&rt=nc
 
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