Another authentication request.
Item: Sheridan Monticello
Serial Number: 4JM-4226
Here are the pictures:
Thanks again ladies
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Personally I'm not comfortable reporting it without more photos. There still isn't enough solid evidence that neither of those letters were EVER used for a US bag. I wouldn't recommend reporting it but I definitely wouldn't recommend buying it unless someone wants to risk the chance of a fake to get the other three bags.
This site is veritable cornucopia of information! Ive been looking for a brown/tan Stewardess from the 1990s thru early 2000s, and Im so glad I found my way here instead of buying the first bag that looked clean. Could you please look at the following alleged Stewardesses and tell me if they are authentic? (
or, at least, if the serials are authentic)? Thank you!
Item: Vintage COACH British Brown Stewardess Messenger Handbag-9525-EUC!
Listing number: 331217584710
Seller: thereddoorshop
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/331217584710?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
Comments: Serial E0P-9525/Costa Rica; Is that a Zero or letter O? Will have to ask for better photos; missing back right foot?
Item: COACH STEWARDESS HANDBAG BROWN 9525 VINTAGE GENTLY USED
Listing number: 360951222377
Seller: irisheyesxo
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/360951222377?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
Comments: Serial D0N-9525/Mexico; Is that a Zero or letter O? Needs photos of bottom, inside and out.
Item: Vintage Coach Chocolate Brown Handbag #J90-9525
Listing number: 231247889675
Seller: diamondpearl07
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/231247889675?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
Comments: Serial # in title is typo; Actual serial J9C-9525/USA; needs photos of total inside bag
Item: Dark Brown Classic Vintage Coach Flap Purse Shoulder Bag
Listing number: 191256655
Seller: ForeverCreative1
Link: https://www.etsy.com/listing/191256655/dark-brown-classic-vintage-coach-flap?ref=favs_view_3
Comments: Serial C9Z or C3Z -9525; cannot read creed. Is that a fake tag? Should I even ask for better photos? (Z should be Dominican Republic, right?)
Item: Vintage COACH British Brown Stewardess Messenger Handbag-9525-EUC!
Listing number: 331217584710
Seller: thereddoorshop
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/331217584710?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
Comments: Serial E0P-9525/Costa Rica; Is that a Zero or letter O? Will have to ask for better photos; missing back right foot?
Item: COACH STEWARDESS HANDBAG BROWN 9525 VINTAGE GENTLY USED
Listing number: 360951222377
Seller: irisheyesxo
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/360951222377?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
Comments: Serial D0N-9525/Mexico; Is that a Zero or letter O? Needs photos of bottom, inside and out.
Item: Vintage Coach Chocolate Brown Handbag #J90-9525
Listing number: 231247889675
Seller: diamondpearl07
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/231247889675?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
Comments: Serial # in title is typo; Actual serial J9C-9525/USA; needs photos of total inside bag
Item: Dark Brown Classic Vintage Coach Flap Purse Shoulder Bag
Listing number: 191256655
Seller: ForeverCreative1
Link: https://www.etsy.com/listing/191256655/dark-brown-classic-vintage-coach-flap?ref=favs_view_3
Comments: Serial C9Z or C3Z -9525; cannot read creed. Is that a fake tag? Should I even ask for better photos? (Z should be Dominican Republic, right?)
First, a quick comment - there's really no such thing as an "authentic serial number". A number by itself can never prove that a bag is genuine. It can be valid meaning it's in a format and has codes that might have been used by Coach, but there are thousands of fake styles with valid serial numbers since many of the numbers are copied right from genuine bags.
The only thing that can show a Coach is genuine is seeing the photos of the bag, creed and serial number. Just listing a number, without any photos, doesn't mean anything. I just want to clarify that since too many people seem to think a serial number is proof something's real. It gets incredibly frustrating when we try to authenticate at other websites and some asks "Is such-and-such a serial number real?" It doesn't work that way. I'm NOT giving you a hard time - Welcome to tPF, BTW! - just explaining that it's the details of the bag itself that are important. An INvalid number can often prove something's fake, but it doesn't work the other way.
Also I'll often refer a poster to the six Salearea Coach Guides posted on Ebay. Please read them ASAP and save the link, they'll answer a LOT of questions:
http://search.reviews.ebay.com/members/salearea?uqt=g
The purses you asked about:
1- genuine although the missing foot is a problem. You have to factor in the cost of replacing it (if you take it to a Coach store and ask them to send it to Coach for repair it will cost $20) and I'd definitely ask for pictures of the exact area where the brass foot was to be sure the leather isn't damaged.
2- genuine. Remember, every plant used a different serial number stamp and creed stamp and they're NOT going to all look the same.
3- I'm not convinced that one's genuine, there are small problems with both the serial number and the strap. And don't EVER depend that the serial number a seller types in their listing is correct.
4- looks ok but the creed photo needs to be larger and readable. It's C9Z, and hangtags are often replaced, you can never use them as authenticity proofs.
I'm going to add a bit more information about the seller THIRD listing you questioned from diamondpearl07.
Hyacinth commented that she's not comfortable with the seller's current listing.
My own records show that in April, I reported about 8 of diamondpearl07's listings as fake.
This is the creed from one of her fakes (since removed):
I wasn't successful in finding other caches, but this is a seller I don't recommend because she definitely mixes authentic and fakes.
Hi everybody! I've been wanting a court bag for a while, but am completely clueless in authenticating them. I was hoping I could get some help!
Item: Vintage COACH Legacy "Court" Black Leather Convertible Crossbody Bag Style 9870
Listing number:261489456211
Seller: sellsitall
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-COA...211?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item3ce1fc7453
Comments:
Item: Vintage Coach Black Classic Leather Willis Cross Body Shoulder Bag Purse
Listing number: 310971387068
Seller: velasqdromg
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Coa...068?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item486756ccbc
Comments: I think this bag style was just listed wrong?
Item: COACH COURT LEGACY NAVY BLUE COWHIDE LEATHER SHOULDER TOTE BAG #9870 MADE USA
Listing number: 201098456691
Seller: b8senne
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-COURT...691?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item2ed266ee73
Comments:
I really appreciate it.
Item: Vintage COACH Legacy "Court" Black Leather Convertible Crossbody Bag Style 9870
Listing number:261489456211
Seller: sellsitall
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-COA...211?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item3ce1fc7453
Comments:
Item: Vintage Coach Black Classic Leather Willis Cross Body Shoulder Bag Purse
Listing number: 310971387068
Seller: velasqdromg
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Coa...068?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item486756ccbc
Comments: I think this bag style was just listed wrong?
Item: COACH COURT LEGACY NAVY BLUE COWHIDE LEATHER SHOULDER TOTE BAG #9870 MADE USA
Listing number: 201098456691
Seller: b8senne
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-COURT...691?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item2ed266ee73
Comments:
I really appreciate it.
The first one seems ok
Second one's genuine. A LOT of sellers are clueless about the correct names of the bags they're selling
Third one also seems ok
I've never seen this one. Is it real?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Multi...953?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item3ce214d969
The same seller also has another one that looks fake.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Signa...470?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item3ce214db6e
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Multi...953?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item3ce214d969
The same seller also has another one that looks fake.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Signa...470?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item3ce214db6e
[FONT="]I really do appreciate all of the information. I think I got hung up on the serial numbers because the most concrete information I garnered are about creeds and serial numbers, and the rest had to do with more qualitative characteristics like stitching, zipper brands, pocket sizes, and elephant skin, which I knew I wasnt qualified enough to eyeball myself. After all, the reported fraudulent eBay auctions are usually removed within a week, so I didnt have great point of reference on what I should be looking for. So I mentally worked myself into a corner where I was convinced you would end up telling me that, for example, there are no American Stewardesses made in Sept 1999, so I wouldnt bother contacting the seller with photo questions. Silly me! :shame:
Next time Ill ask potential sellers for clearer photos before posting. And if things get too complicated, Ill just buy one from coachbagrehabs eBay shop. Have a great day![/FONT]
Next time Ill ask potential sellers for clearer photos before posting. And if things get too complicated, Ill just buy one from coachbagrehabs eBay shop. Have a great day![/FONT]
I'm going to add a bit more information about the seller THIRD listing you questioned from diamondpearl07.
Hyacinth commented that she's not comfortable with the seller's current listing.
My own records show that in April, I reported about 8 of diamondpearl07's listings as fake.
This is the creed from one of her fakes (since removed):
I wasn't successful in finding other caches, but this is a seller I don't recommend because she definitely mixes authentic and fakes.
Excellent point!
I agree that seller diamondpearl07 should be AVOIDED. I just took a quick look through her Completeds and found another fake from back in March, don't know if this is one of the ones BeenBurned reported. Style 9098 Tribeca Shopper that has the serial number in the wrong font, and also the wrong wording in the creed stamp AND the too-old "fat" font at the top of the creed in the Coach logo.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-GEN...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
The "COACH NEW YORK" stamp above the base also has stamping problems, and so does the hangtag. And that style wasn't even introduced until a full year after the date code in the fake Tribeca's serial number.
Here are genuine creeds and serials from the months after that fake with the third one showing that the creed wording wasn't changed until several months AFTER the month code in the fake, with the last 2 being a photo of the fake creed and fake hangtag both with the older "fat" fonts from diamondpearl07
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I've added a few more comments including photos and explanations of another fake from that seller, if you want to get an idea of what kind of evidence it often takes to prove a Coach is really a Foach, read the post following yours.
It used to be, 8 or 10 years ago, that the only way to spot a Coach fake was to look at the stitching quality. That doesn't work and never did - I've seen some fakes with better stitching than genuine Coaches, especially after production moved to China. I've been fighting to make people realize the importance of those two stamps in Coach bags for probably 7 or 8 yeears now. Not to mention trying to get people to use some common sense and figure out WHY the brand of zipper on a Coach doesn't mean diddly-squat.
The other things you listed can be important, but if someone can't tell when a creed stamp and serial number look exactly the way a bag with that style number made in that plant, month and year are supposed to look, they're going to let a LOT of fakes slip by.
The most important thing to do is ALWAYS ASK HERE BEFORE BUYING, even if the auction is ending in two minutes. If you feel you have to bid, then ask here before paying. There will always be another bag in the style you want, Coach has probably made at least a million handbags and not more than .0000005 of one percent of them are one-of-a-kind. It's a lot easier waiting a few months more for another one than fighting with Ebay and the seller to get your money back.
Here are some more pics of the red Daypack. I can only upload one at a time.
Item: Authentic Vintage Assorted Coach Purses
Item No:131199891670
Seller: gmcanyon
Link:http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/131199891670?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649[/QUOTE]
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There's absolutely no way to be sure the first one's real without clear photos of the inside and the creed patch if it has one. If it doesn't we need to at least see large clear photos of the lining and the strap hardware.
The second one is completely genuine. Why do you think it's fake? In fact here's Coach's photo from their website. Just because you haven't seen it before doesn't mean it's fake.
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