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anniethecat said:
I am not TBL2 ;) but I have seen posts on other sub-forums here on tpf where people have talked about being a part of this "watch dog" group on ebay.
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TBL2 said:
Oh, I'm sure it is not advertised but it seems former eBay sellers have openly discussed this. One in particular claims to have been sued by Coach for 2 or 3 hundred dollars.(over one bag) I never heard the outcome but she claims she had someone research the law firm she received the letter from & it was a genuine firm. I have never heard anymore about suits from Coach so don't know if this really happens or not. Anyway she was talking about eBays program... She also said eBay has Coach personnel on staff that looks at items reported . What I read here seems to refute that however.
There was a discussion on another forum about this very thing. And I believe several on TPF. Personally I think eBay has it's own agenda & everybody else can just speculate on it.
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Coach DOES have a "watchdog" law firm that works for ather major companies too (Gibney, Anthony & Flaherty, LLP), but their methods are more on the order of Vito and Vinnie from the "old neighborhood" than a first-rate firm, but apparently that's what Coach wants. The Tabberone site has more information including a copy of one version of the shakedown letter, and some comments about what she calls Ebay's Snitch Program - obviously the site owner has strong opinions so read accordingly:
http://www.tabberone.com/Trademarks/trademarks.shtml

http://www.tabberone.com/Trademarks/HallOfShame/Designers/Coach/docs/CoachDemandLetter.shtml

http://www.tabberone.com/Trademarks/HallOfShame/Designers/Coach/Coach.shtml

As for the Ebay seller (also a former Coach employee), she was wrongfully accused of selling a fake bag, I think by the same law firm already mentioned. Hopefully she's won her case by now although I haven't read any updated information. Several of us looked at the "fake" bag and of course it was completely genuine. Google "Gina Kim Coach" for more information:
http://thedailyrecord.com/generatio...ist-letter-fits-nicely-in-that-coach-handbag/

http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-sh...ons-against-resellers-ban-letters-765548.html

I should also add that there doesn't seem to be ANY connection between Coach and its law-degreed pit bulls and the Ebay "watchdogs" who report fake bags. In fact thinking back to posts from Ebay's old forums and other sites on the internet, a lot of the Ebay sellers who got the shakedown letters from Coach and other major clothing, accessory and jewelry manufacturers were probably selling questionable merchandise. Most of them seemed to be buying in bulk and not too concerned about where their stuff was coming from or how they were buying brands like Ralph Lauren, Adidas, Rolex, MLB, NFL, and others well under retail prices. So while the attorneys probably scared off some fakes sellers, they also didn't bother to verify that all the targets of their letters actually WERE selling fakes.

ETA- There are 38 pages of complaints in this online forum from Ebay sellers who got the letter, going back 5 years, and there aren't too many sellers posting who I'd be comfortable buying a name-brand item from:
http://www.worldlawdirect.com/forum...5-cease-desist-letter-adidas-america-inc.html
 
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So this probably isn't the right forum for this but I am seriously pi**ed right now. I won an auction that no one bid on. I had it on an automated bidding site and won in the last few seconds. Ebay and the bidding site show me as the only bidder and the winner so I pay through PayPal and everything is hunky-dory.

I come home tonite and get an email from the seller saying there was a glitch in eBay and someone had entered a BIN (which BTW was 30 bucks more than what I paid) and she is so sorry blah blah blah and she's refunded my money and God Bless, only saw the outcome after church and God Bless, etc. If someone else won it why wouldn't they show as the winner and why would my bidding site say "Won!" The last time I got seriously screwed over with a purchase there were a lot of God Blesses in those emails too. :thinkin:
 
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fuzzymummy said:
So this probably isn't the right forum for this but I am seriously pi**ed right now. I won an auction that no one bid on. I had it on an automated bidding site and won in the last few seconds. Ebay and the bidding site show me as the only bidder and the winner so I pay through PayPal and everything is hunky-dory.

I come home tonite and get an email from the seller saying there was a glitch in eBay and someone had entered a BIN (which BTW was 30 bucks more than what I paid) and she is so sorry blah blah blah and she's refunded my money and God Bless, only saw the outcome after church and God Bless, etc. If someone else won it why wouldn't they show as the winner and why would my bidding site say "Won!" The last time I got seriously screwed over with a purchase there were a lot of God Blesses in those emails too. :thinkin:
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I would be mad too. I would call ebay and ask them if this is true. I don't see how it would have been possible for you to pay if there was another winner. See if you can still give her negative feedback.
 
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fuzzymummy said:
So this probably isn't the right forum for this but I am seriously pi**ed right now. I won an auction that no one bid on. I had it on an automated bidding site and won in the last few seconds. Ebay and the bidding site show me as the only bidder and the winner so I pay through PayPal and everything is hunky-dory.

I come home tonite and get an email from the seller saying there was a glitch in eBay and someone had entered a BIN (which BTW was 30 bucks more than what I paid) and she is so sorry blah blah blah and she's refunded my money and God Bless, only saw the outcome after church and God Bless, etc. If someone else won it why wouldn't they show as the winner and why would my bidding site say "Won!" The last time I got seriously screwed over with a purchase there were a lot of God Blesses in those emails too. :thinkin:
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Keep an eye open for the "God Blessed" item to be relisted, and at a higher price than you paid.
 
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whateve said:
I would be mad too. I would call ebay and ask them if this is true. I don't see how it would have been possible for you to pay if there was another winner. See if you can still give her negative feedback.
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Hyacinth said:
Keep an eye open for the "God Blessed" item to be relisted, and at a higher price than you paid.
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If you want a certain amount for an item, list it as a BIN only not a Combo BIN/auction. She obviously hasn't read the bidding rules, God Bless her.
 
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fuzzymummy said:
So this probably isn't the right forum for this but I am seriously pi**ed right now. I won an auction that no one bid on. I had it on an automated bidding site and won in the last few seconds. Ebay and the bidding site show me as the only bidder and the winner so I pay through PayPal and everything is hunky-dory.

I come home tonite and get an email from the seller saying there was a glitch in eBay and someone had entered a BIN (which BTW was 30 bucks more than what I paid) and she is so sorry blah blah blah and she's refunded my money and God Bless, only saw the outcome after church and God Bless, etc. If someone else won it why wouldn't they show as the winner and why would my bidding site say "Won!" The last time I got seriously screwed over with a purchase there were a lot of God Blesses in those emails too. :thinkin:
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whateve said:
I would be mad too. I would call ebay and ask them if this is true. I don't see how it would have been possible for you to pay if there was another winner. See if you can still give her negative feedback.
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Hyacinth said:
Keep an eye open for the "God Blessed" item to be relisted, and at a higher price than you paid.
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I believe that ebay recently made some changes and until an item is paid for, that person hasn't "won" or "bought" it. Until it's been paid for by the first person who wins (auction) or buys (BIN), the listing remains up and active.

In this case, it's possible that the other person did a BIN but if she hadn't paid for it, the item isn't considered to be sold and the listing remains up and active. Obviously, the seller didn't have her BIN listings set with IPR (immediate payment required) or the BIN sale wouldn't have even registered.

And you won it fair and square and once you paid, it should have been yours.

And I don't believe the seller for a second.
 
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BeenBurned said:
I believe that ebay recently made some changes and until an item is paid for, that person hasn't "won" or "bought" it. Until it's been paid for by the first person who wins (auction) or buys (BIN), the listing remains up and active.

In this case, it's possible that the other person did a BIN but if she hadn't paid for it, the item isn't considered to be sold and the listing remains up and active. Obviously, the seller didn't have her BIN listings set with IPR (immediate payment required) or the BIN sale wouldn't have even registered.

And you won it fair and square and once you paid, it should have been yours.

And I don't believe the seller for a second.
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Thanks BB. What you say makes sense for a BIN purchase since you have to pay immediately but even with an auction I always pay very quickly; I am Ms. Rapido with the payment so I know I won. I have a feedback handle Speedy Gonzales my paying skills are so immediate. I've been stewing about this so I called eBay (thanks Whateve) and lodged a complaint, binding contract and all, etc.
 
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fuzzymummy said:
Thanks BB. What you say makes sense for a BIN purchase since you have to pay immediately but even with an auction I always pay very quickly; I am Ms. Rapido with the payment so I know I won. I have a feedback handle Speedy Gonzales my paying skills are so immediate. I've been stewing about this so I called eBay (thanks Whateve) and lodged a complaint, binding contract and all, etc.
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Let us know what happens. I don't foresee ebay forcing her to sell to you.

I had a weird one. Someone had an auction that didn't get bid up to the reserve so she relisted as a BIN. I thought it was weird that the BIN was only about $10 more than what the auction had ended at. I did the BIN and paid immediately. One minute later, I got a message from ebay stating that the listing had been removed! So I was a little worried, but it was for a lot of items and I was pretty sure that the things I wanted the most were probably okay. The next day the seller refunded my money, stating that the price was supposed to be $160, not $60. I thought it was pretty weird since obviously there must have been a reason the listing was removed. The seller never relisted it, or any of the items in the lot. I can't leave negative feedback since the listing was removed.
 
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Originally Posted by BeenBurned I believe that ebay recently made some changes and until an item is paid for, that person hasn't "won" or "bought" it. Until it's been paid for by the first person who wins (auction) or buys (BIN), the listing remains up and active.

In this case, it's possible that the other person did a BIN but if she hadn't paid for it, the item isn't considered to be sold and the listing remains up and active. Obviously, the seller didn't have her BIN listings set with IPR (immediate payment required) or the BIN sale wouldn't have even registered.

And you won it fair and square and once you paid, it should have been yours.

And I don't believe the seller for a second.

fuzzymummy said:
Thanks BB. What you say makes sense for a BIN purchase since you have to pay immediately but even with an auction I always pay very quickly; I am Ms. Rapido with the payment so I know I won. I have a feedback handle Speedy Gonzales my paying skills are so immediate. I've been stewing about this so I called eBay (thanks Whateve) and lodged a complaint, binding contract and all, etc.
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^^^ In red, that's not necessarily correct. In the case you described (with the item you won), the seller didn't have IPR. (When seller has a BIN listing, she has the choice of requiring immediate payment or not requiring it. Many sellers like IPR because it cuts down on non-payers. If someone does the BIN, they must pay or the item remains unsold. Or if they don't have the IPR requirement, the person BINs it but the item remains available to the first/next person who wins and completes payment. I think that's what happened in this case.
whateve said:
Let us know what happens. I don't foresee ebay forcing her to sell to you.
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That's correct. Ebay can't force the seller to complete a sale but as the winner, you are able to leave appropriate feedback for that seller.
 
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Originally Posted by BeenBurned The bag ^^ is authentic but was made in 2003 and NOT in the 60s and not in NYC!

Two.time.bags said:
So should these type of listings be reported? Obviously the seller is trying to attract interest from people who are searching for vintage Coach bags made in NYC so is deliberately mis-representing the item.
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What would you report it for? It's not fake.

Yes, it's misleading and if the winner bought it expecting a 60's bag that was made in NYC, she'd have a legitimate SNAD dispute when she receives a 2003 bag that was made in China.

But otherwise, there's nothing against ebay policy to report. It's authentic and legal.
 
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