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Jessi319 said:
I did a follow up response (you may have found ti by now) and posted a photo of the "new" Legacy zip circa spring 1997. So a 1994 Legacy zip shouldn't have existed :nogood: I am curious about brass though, is it better if it DID say solid brass? or is the wording "solid" wrong for that period? I don't think mine said the words, but can't remember, (and bag is off in the "mad at you" pile right now.)
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No, it shouldn't say solid brass. Did you think it was solid brass? During that time, I think Coach was using brass plating, not solid brass.
Where is your follow-up response? I would like a photo of the spring 1997 Legacy zip ad for my files.
 
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Two.time.bags said:
Item:Vintage Coach Richie 9937
Item No:281174011618
Seller:venerinad
Link: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/28117401...X:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649#ht_4697wt_1428
Comment: I've done it again, gone and bid before authenticating! Hopefully I got it right this time? At least I haven't paid yet. Seller sent me a pic of the creed (before I bid). Your help much appreciated as always.

For some reason I couldn't upload creed pic so had to stick it in here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ji4zo3fiy9kbya6/Coach 9937.JPG
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It looks fine. The seller is wrong about the date. It was made in 1994.
 
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whateve said:
No, it shouldn't say solid brass. Did you think it was solid brass? During that time, I think Coach was using brass plating, not solid brass.
Where is your follow-up response? I would like a photo of the spring 1997 Legacy zip ad for my files.
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One Spring 1997 Legacy Zip ad, coming up ...

And the reason I think it's possible that it may have been released a few years earlier and then held back is because the style number is right in the middle of a string of several dozen different style numbers between 9948 and 9980 that were all introduced between Fall 1994 and Winter 1995. I know Coach didn't always assign style numbers in sequence but in this case I think it's a good possibility. Here's a copy of my style numbers list for that time period to prove that I'm not just pulling excuses out of thin air. Ignore the typos:

9948 - Nottingham Bag Spring 1995, flodover top w long tab & turnlock, 11x7x4, 48 adj strap
(Intro'd as Canterbury in Coach Fall 1994 and AMEX book)
see 1994 Fall Late Autumn cat. for Legacy bags info
9949 - Faith's Legacy, 9x11, top mag snap, hippie-style strap, Intro1994 Fall
9950 - Janice Legacy roundish bottom, top zip?, 9x10, 50 adj side-buckle str
9951 - Patricia's Legacy 11x10 50" strap- end buckles, Intro Fall 94
9952 - Lula's Legacy drawstring9x12x7, , 50 strap w low side buckles, Fall 1994
9953 - Helen's Legacy duffle 9x12 50 adj str, narrow& round
Base piping joined at center of side panel like Duffle sac)
9954 - Prairie Bag 9x7x3, round falp 7 bottom 55 adj str, intro Hol 94

9955 - Trail Bag, oval, 8x5x4, top handle, 48 strap Intro Holiday 1994
9956 - ?
9957 - Bellacourt Bag, 8x7, high handle. rounded bottom, shoulder strap, 1995 Spring
9958- Pelham Zip, satchel 13x9x5, Intro Fall1995
9959 - Petite Pelham Zip 10x7, Intro Fall 1995

9960 - Daypack 8x9
9961 - Marshall Pack, backpack w sm top flap & 2 fr tab pockets 1994 Hol Prev
9962 - Mail Pouch, 14x13, 55 hippie-style strap, 1994 Hol Prev
9963 - Bixby Bag, drawstring & 46 strap6x10x6, 1994 Holiday Preview
9964 - Cody Bag, 13x11, 42 adj strap, LIKE TAFT 1994 Hol Prev
9965 - Legacy Small Flap, 8x5, like small City Bag but w wide strap - possibly originally made in late 94 but then held back til Spr 1997
9966 - Legacy Zip 10x9 40" strap w tapered ends (not sure when officially released,
number sequence fits late 1994)

9968 - Mitchell Zip, 11x7x2, 48 remov strap + wrist strap, fall 1995

9971 - Mens Turnlock Clutch, 10x6x2, pocket under flap, outside back pocket, wrist strap
1995-Spring
9973 - Kit Bag 5x7x2 (like a camera bag) 48 adj str, Intro Holiday1995
9974 - Multi Zip 11x6 (1995, 1996 Preview)
9975 - Curtis Bag, 11x7, 23strap DROP, 48adj, underflap & back slip pockets Spr1996
9976 - Anderson zip 12x8, 48 adj str, curved top and front pocket Intro Holiday1995
9977 - Manor Bag 9x8, 48 str w top handle, Intro Hol95 p63
9978 - Small Sidepack 6x8, 48 adh str, replaced 9893 Scooter Bag, intro Fall-Hol1995
9979 - Sidepack 10x11, 48 adj str
9980 - Taft Bag 13x10x4 45" adj str, Intro Fall 1995 (NB - 1995 catalog lists "full inside
zipper pocket but '96 catalog lists OPEN inside pocket)
 

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whateve said:
No, it shouldn't say solid brass. Did you think it was solid brass? During that time, I think Coach was using brass plating, not solid brass.
Where is your follow-up response? I would like a photo of the spring 1997 Legacy zip ad for my files.
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I'll repost for ya. Spring of 97. (Just checked, and bag doesn't say "solid" anywhere). And it's one of the first fakes of this style I've found which has ALL brass grommets, feet, buckles zippers , all match up fine. which is of course why I chanced it after being fooled before. This was the best I've found yet! And of course it's all gorgeously rehabbed and minty .... for nothing LOL. I have a serious hatred for these fake makers now!!

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edit: oops just realized Hyacinth beat me to it LOL
 
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Hyacinth said:
One Spring 1997 Legacy Zip ad, coming up ...

And the reason I think it's possible that it may have been released a few years earlier and then held back is because the style number is right in the middle of a string of several dozen different style numbers between 9948 and 9980 that were all introduced between Fall 1994 and Winter 1995. I know Coach didn't always assign style numbers in sequence but in this case I think it's a good possibility. Here's a copy of my style numbers list for that time period to prove that I'm not just pulling excuses out of thin air. Ignore the typos:

9948 - Nottingham Bag Spring 1995, flodover top w long tab & turnlock, 11x7x4, 48 adj strap
(Intro'd as Canterbury in Coach Fall 1994 and AMEX book)
see 1994 Fall Late Autumn cat. for Legacy bags info
9949 - Faith's Legacy, 9x11, top mag snap, hippie-style strap, Intro1994 Fall
9950 - Janice Legacy roundish bottom, top zip?, 9x10, 50 adj side-buckle str
9951 - Patricia's Legacy 11x10 50" strap- end buckles, Intro Fall 94
9952 - Lula's Legacy drawstring9x12x7, , 50 strap w low side buckles, Fall 1994
9953 - Helen's Legacy duffle 9x12 50 adj str, narrow& round
Base piping joined at center of side panel like Duffle sac)
9954 - Prairie Bag 9x7x3, round falp 7 bottom 55 adj str, intro Hol 94

9955 - Trail Bag, oval, 8x5x4, top handle, 48 strap Intro Holiday 1994
9956 - ?
9957 - Bellacourt Bag, 8x7, high handle. rounded bottom, shoulder strap, 1995 Spring
9958- Pelham Zip, satchel 13x9x5, Intro Fall1995
9959 - Petite Pelham Zip 10x7, Intro Fall 1995

9960 - Daypack 8x9
9961 - Marshall Pack, backpack w sm top flap & 2 fr tab pockets 1994 Hol Prev
9962 - Mail Pouch, 14x13, 55 hippie-style strap, 1994 Hol Prev
9963 - Bixby Bag, drawstring & 46 strap6x10x6, 1994 Holiday Preview
9964 - Cody Bag, 13x11, 42 adj strap, LIKE TAFT 1994 Hol Prev
9965 - Legacy Small Flap, 8x5, like small City Bag but w wide strap - possibly originally made in late 94 but then held back til Spr 1997
9966 - Legacy Zip 10x9 40" strap w tapered ends (not sure when officially released,
number sequence fits late 1994)

9968 - Mitchell Zip, 11x7x2, 48 remov strap + wrist strap, fall 1995

9971 - Mens Turnlock Clutch, 10x6x2, pocket under flap, outside back pocket, wrist strap
1995-Spring
9973 - Kit Bag 5x7x2 (like a camera bag) 48 adj str, Intro Holiday1995
9974 - Multi Zip 11x6 (1995, 1996 Preview)
9975 - Curtis Bag, 11x7, 23strap DROP, 48adj, underflap & back slip pockets Spr1996
9976 - Anderson zip 12x8, 48 adj str, curved top and front pocket Intro Holiday1995
9977 - Manor Bag 9x8, 48 str w top handle, Intro Hol95 p63
9978 - Small Sidepack 6x8, 48 adh str, replaced 9893 Scooter Bag, intro Fall-Hol1995
9979 - Sidepack 10x11, 48 adj str
9980 - Taft Bag 13x10x4 45" adj str, Intro Fall 1995 (NB - 1995 catalog lists "full inside
zipper pocket but '96 catalog lists OPEN inside pocket)
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Thank you. This is super helpful!

Jessi319 said:
I'll repost for ya. Spring of 97. (Just checked, and bag doesn't say "solid" anywhere). And it's one of the first fakes of this style I've found which has ALL brass grommets, feet, buckles zippers , all match up fine. which is of course why I chanced it after being fooled before. This was the best I've found yet! And of course it's all gorgeously rehabbed and minty .... for nothing LOL. I have a serious hatred for these fake makers now!!

q6nt.jpg

edit: oops just realized Hyacinth beat me to it LOL
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Thanks! I'm sorry you did all that work on a fake. It is scary how close the fake makers get sometimes.
 
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TBL2 said:
Just to mention..eBay does have a group of people they recruit when they see repeated success in fakes being reported. They send a message inquiring whether this person has any other areas of expertise and if they would agree to be 'watchdogs'(my words:) they receive letters of appreciation and maybe a small gift from eBay from time to time. When these people report fakes eBay is more likely to take a hard look at the item in question and remove it.
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I'm just wondering how you'd know this. It certainly isn't something ebay advertises!
 
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Two.time.bags said:
Thanks Whateve. I did tell the seller that when she sent me the pic of the creed. So many sellers love to exaggerate! Like this one. I sent a message pointing out that the creed says it was made in China but it's still there!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Collectors-...s-/251338401829?ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:US:1123
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You're welcome! It's true lots of sellers really exaggerate! I'm even amazed at how many sellers say they don't know the country of manufacture when it says it right on the purse. My daughter believed her Zoe was made in the US until I pointed it out to her.
 
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Originally Posted by Two.time.bags Thanks Whateve. I did tell the seller that when she sent me the pic of the creed. So many sellers love to exaggerate! Like this one. I sent a message pointing out that the creed says it was made in China but it's still there!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Collectors-V...:X:AAQ:US:1123


whateve said:
You're welcome! It's true lots of sellers really exaggerate! I'm even amazed at how many sellers say they don't know the country of manufacture when it says it right on the purse. My daughter believed her Zoe was made in the US until I pointed it out to her.
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To the seller's credit, the "NYC" and "60s" have been edited from the title. I wonder whether she reads TPF.
 
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TBL2 said:
Just to mention..eBay does have a group of people they recruit when they see repeated success in fakes being reported. They send a message inquiring whether this person has any other areas of expertise and if they would agree to be 'watchdogs'(my words:) they receive letters of appreciation and maybe a small gift from eBay from time to time. When these people report fakes eBay is more likely to take a hard look at the item in question and remove it.
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Anniethecat said:
I am not TBL2 but I have seen posts on other sub-forums here on tpf where people have talked about being a part of this "watch dog" group on ebay.

BeenBurned said:
I'm just wondering how you'd know this. It certainly isn't something ebay advertises!
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And from what I've heard, it's also not something that the people who may be in the group are supposed to talk about either. It's my understanding that mentioning it can get members removed permanently. Someone who's bragging about being in it would seem to have their priorities a bit skewered, or are looking for attention since it sounds like they're missing the point of the program, whatever it is
 
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Hyacinth said:
Anniethecat said:
I am not TBL2 but I have seen posts on other sub-forums here on tpf where people have talked about being a part of this "watch dog" group on ebay.




And from what I've heard, it's also not something that the people who may be in the group are supposed to talk about either. It's my understanding that mentioning it can get members removed permanently. Someone who's bragging about being in it would seem to have their priorities a bit skewered, or are looking for attention since it sounds like they're missing the point of the program, whatever it is
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Oh, I'm sure it is not advertised but it seems former eBay sellers have openly discussed this. One in particular claims to have been sued by Coach for 2 or 3 hundred dollars.(over one bag) I never heard the outcome but she claims she had someone research the law firm she received the letter from & it was a genuine firm. I have never heard anymore about suits from Coach so don't know if this really happens or not. Anyway she was talking about eBays program... She also said eBay has Coach personnel on staff that looks at items reported . What I read here seems to refute that however.
There was a discussion on another forum about this very thing. And I believe several on TPF. Personally I think eBay has it's own agenda & everybody else can just speculate on it.
 
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