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So who is ebay referring to when they say the "vero-rights owners" or something like that? That is the reason they give when they remove a listing.
Also, Just out of curiousity, don't you think that the Ebay venue is partially responsible for keeping interest AND demand alive for vintage Coach items? Hence their re-issue of the old classics.
Many, many MC-xxx reports do NOT give VERO as a reason - just a more vague "It has been reported that...."

VERO certainly CAN come into play, and some companies are absolutely meticulous about checking eBay listings themselves and reporting items. COACH is not generally one of them.

It is possible, however, for an individual to report direct to COACH or any other VERO member. Some of those companies will take action based on such a report and tell eBay to remove the listing. Many won't bother unless it's a big enough issue to make it worth their while to check into it. A single seller listing a counterfeit purse isn't likely to get the attention that a seller with 100 fakes listed is going to get. Again, it's the cost v. the benefit.
 
It would be helpful if you posted the photos she sent you. None of these purses is a city bag. The two black ones are a convertible clutch and classic pouch. I can't see the creed well enough on the one without a hyphen in order to say if it is authentic.

Thanks WHATEVE - I was able to copy it here ya go HyaCINTH~
 

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Could someone please authenticate this Coach Bag?
Bought at Goodwill today.
Approx. 10”w x 6.5”h x 2.5”d Strap drop 9”
Is it a Soho Leather Small Flap Hobo? or something like that?
Any info is much appreciated...Thanks in advance, as always!
I love the Gulf Coast. Can I come live with you for a week and we can spend all our time at the local Goodwill? I am astounded at the treasures you pick up!
 
Hi, whateve -

To tell you the truth, the way I understand it, it makes no more difference than saying that your "Aunt Sally" told you it was fake. If pushed, they would tell you to have those "so-called experts" report it themselves.

In short, removed items mean less revenue for eBay. Not only do they lose out on the selling fees, but they also have to pay people to remove the items and send those MC-xxx reports to the sellers - then pay their other CSRs to "explain", argue, etc., when disgruntled sellers call to complain.

At the same time, they've been sued enough times that they know they have to be careful and take some kind of action (even "token" removals, one by one) when counterfeit sales get too obvious. After all, counterfeits ARE illegal, whether the manufacturer is looking over your shoulder or not. It's a very fine balance, and they don't always handle it terribly well.

As Hyacinth mentioned, COACH itself isn't about to do much about it, especially on the single, listing-to-listing level. They have the upper hand and can always go after eBay (or any other vendor) if they so choose, and they will always be in the right, since it's their product. It's all about money. At what point is it worth it for either a manufacturer OR a "vendor" to take definitive action?

In short, it would cost far more for eBay to monitor all the gazillions of single listings than to continue letting volunteers (whatever their motivation) help get rid of the obvious stuff. If one of those huge, expensive lawsuits comes of it, they can always try falling back on their "we're just a venue" philosophy and the reporting program they have in place. "Look at all these counterfeit that were reported! We removed them all!" (yeah, right...)

It's disheartening, at best, but for those with a mission to deter counterfeit sales, those angry enough to report, or those with simply a bit too much time on their hands, it can be worth it.
This is discouraging. DH always asks me why I bother. Sometimes I wonder why I am doing it if Coach themselves doesn't care. But I guess the main reason is that I've been stuck with a fake more than once. If someone had reported those listings, it would have spared me a lot of grief.
 
So who is ebay referring to when they say the "vero-rights owners" or something like that? That is the reason they give when they remove a listing.
Also, Just out of curiousity, don't you think that the Ebay venue is partially responsible for keeping interest AND demand alive for vintage Coach items? Hence their re-issue of the old classics.

The VeRO rep is just a Coach employee who verifies - or tries to verify - that a reported item is actually counterfeit. Coach's VeRO rep shows no signs of going out of his or her way to actually look for fakes, and Ebay can either avoid reporting a fake to VeRO or override a VeRO removal order by referring the report to their "Policy Team" that I believe is run or controlled by a VERY high-up member of Ebay management - high-volume sellers are allowed to continue listing fakes and even to re-list them after they've been removed, no matter how many reports of fake items are filed or how valid the reports are or how experienced the reporters are. The "Policy Team", not VeRO, has the final say over what's removed and what isn't, regardless of what Ebay claims or what Coach and other rights holders are told. That's why some fakes NEVER get removed.

And NO, Ebay isn't what I'd consider even partly responsible for the renewed interest in vintage items. "Responsibility" implies an actual effort to make a desired result happen. They're merely the unwitting (or witless) beneficiaries. It's members of forums like tPF that created the vintage "boom", Ebay is just sitting back and collecting the fees. I doubt if many or any Ebay Powers That Be would recognise a vintage Coach if it flew up their noses (or any other parts of their anatomies).
 
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This is discouraging. DH always asks me why I bother. Sometimes I wonder why I am doing it if Coach themselves doesn't care. But I guess the main reason is that I've been stuck with a fake more than once. If someone had reported those listings, it would have spared me a lot of grief.
My husband asks the same thing.

Like you, I don't report to help ebay nor do I report to help Coach (and whatever other companies' fakes I report). I report in the hopes that a listing takedown will prevent an unwitting buyer from purchasing/receiving a fake.
 
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This is discouraging. DH always asks me why I bother. Sometimes I wonder why I am doing it if Coach themselves doesn't care. But I guess the main reason is that I've been stuck with a fake more than once. If someone had reported those listings, it would have spared me a lot of grief.

My husband asks the same thing.

Like you, I don't report to help ebay nor do I report to help Coach (and whatever other companies' fakes I report). I report in the hopes that a listing takedown will prevent an unwitting buyer from purchasing/receiving a fake.

Make that 3 - my DH asks the same. You're both absolutely right, though - it's NOT to help COACH or eBay - if it were, who among us would even bother? I do hate everything that counterfeiting stands for, but I also hate to see the little guy get snookered. It's just not right. Every "deleted" fake (however many times it might get re-listed... and re-reported) is one fewer chance for an unsuspecting someone to lose by default. If I can prevent someone from losing out or being hurt, I will.
 
Item: Vintage legacy

Item no: 171137703421

Seller: bataurus

Link: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/COACH-VI...US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item27d89a1dfd&_uhb=1

Comment: Am I correct that this is fake? Creed says made in US with P in serial no?

Also interested in this one from same seller which I'm hoping is authentic

Item: Vintage Court

Item no: 161116533380

Link: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/COACH-VI...US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item25834b3284&_uhb=1

So far every "J8P-" prefix we've found in a "Made in the United States" seems to be either a proveable or a possible fake. In that time period the P code was being used for Costa Rica, below is what I believe to be a genuine creed and serial number with that prefix showing a Costa Rica creed. The silver strap grommets on a bag with brass hardware is also a problem, and so is the extra-thick font used in the serial number.

The Court Bag seems to be authentic.
 

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So far every "J8P-" prefix we've found in a "Made in the United States" seems to be either a proveable or a possible fake. In that time period the P code was being used for Costa Rica, below is what I believe to be a genuine creed and serial number with that prefix showing a Costa Rica creed. The silver strap grommets on a bag with brass hardware is also a problem, and so is the extra-thick font used in the serial number.

The Court Bag seems to be authentic.
Thanks Hyacinth
 
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