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Here is a beautiful bag---but is it authentic? I stumbled upon it while looking for a totally different type bag. I love the red! Thanks. (Still watching the two Helen's Legacies)
COACH VINTAGE SHERIDAN ROSWELL DOMED SATCHEL HANDBAG PURSE EUC RARE EARLY 90'S
seller:b-bar-c_ranch
item number: 251346229900
http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-VINTA...900?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item3a85671a8c
COACH VINTAGE SHERIDAN ROSWELL DOMED SATCHEL HANDBAG PURSE EUC RARE EARLY 90'S
seller:b-bar-c_ranch
item number: 251346229900
http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-VINTA...900?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item3a85671a8c
Yes, it's authentic. It is one of the Sheridans where the plant made a mistake on the creed. It is a gorgeous bag.
Originally Posted by thecollector629 View Post
I'm going to report it. Is there anything special you should say,
in the past my reported bags remained listed
I hope nobody minds if I add a bit of info here. For eBay, it actually DOES matter what you say when you report counterfeits. The problem is that the regular reporting form doesn't give you much space to say anything.
My suggestion is to get as much into the space as you can. I've "made up" a few examples here (mostly imaginary numbers):
Ex: J8D-1234
J8D = made in 1998. Style 1234 introduced 2004. Not made yet in 1998. Fake.
Ex: C7E-2345
C7E = made 1997 Italy. Creed says made in US. Style 2345 introduced 2000. US + date wrong. Fake.
Ex: G0769-12345
Name stamp on dog leash clip wrong. Patches wrong fabric. Known fake lining. Fantasy style. Fake.
Ex: 101-10
Serial number format invalid. Coach never manufactured purses in Korea. Fake.
Ex: 7H-7456
Known fake serial number. 7H prefix invalid. Coach has no style 7456 bag. Fake.
From there, if you then post in the COACH HALL OF SHAME, other TPFers can also report. Since not everyone may know WHY a particular bag is counterfeit, it is very helpful if you give even a little hint - nothing blatant necessary (no need to give away any secrets!) but just something to point to the most grievous "error." Even something as simple as "1994?" or "Korea?" can be enough. Just a style number, if you know it & it's not in the listing, can allow others to look up a "correct" version & note the differences.
As whateve mentioned, the more people who report a fake, the more likely it is that the listing will be removed, but if you can't say WHY it's counterfeit, eBay isn't going to touch it. Their "experts" are NOT really "experts on Coach" and they have to have a solid reason to remove a listing.
Just my 2¢...
I'm going to report it. Is there anything special you should say,
in the past my reported bags remained listed
I hope nobody minds if I add a bit of info here. For eBay, it actually DOES matter what you say when you report counterfeits. The problem is that the regular reporting form doesn't give you much space to say anything.
My suggestion is to get as much into the space as you can. I've "made up" a few examples here (mostly imaginary numbers):
Ex: J8D-1234
J8D = made in 1998. Style 1234 introduced 2004. Not made yet in 1998. Fake.
Ex: C7E-2345
C7E = made 1997 Italy. Creed says made in US. Style 2345 introduced 2000. US + date wrong. Fake.
Ex: G0769-12345
Name stamp on dog leash clip wrong. Patches wrong fabric. Known fake lining. Fantasy style. Fake.
Ex: 101-10
Serial number format invalid. Coach never manufactured purses in Korea. Fake.
Ex: 7H-7456
Known fake serial number. 7H prefix invalid. Coach has no style 7456 bag. Fake.
From there, if you then post in the COACH HALL OF SHAME, other TPFers can also report. Since not everyone may know WHY a particular bag is counterfeit, it is very helpful if you give even a little hint - nothing blatant necessary (no need to give away any secrets!) but just something to point to the most grievous "error." Even something as simple as "1994?" or "Korea?" can be enough. Just a style number, if you know it & it's not in the listing, can allow others to look up a "correct" version & note the differences.
As whateve mentioned, the more people who report a fake, the more likely it is that the listing will be removed, but if you can't say WHY it's counterfeit, eBay isn't going to touch it. Their "experts" are NOT really "experts on Coach" and they have to have a solid reason to remove a listing.
Just my 2¢...
Good evening!
I am thinking of bidding on this auction and had concerns about the serial numbers
on two of the bags, the black ones. The seller sent me close up photos of both.
The one she described as serial no.122-983 is actually 122-9834 (the four was very light) so that is okay.
The other one has an 8-number string. She sent me a photo of the creed patch which I tried to copy but it is not working. No. 08898838 It has those dashes on the top of most of the numbers and they slightly uneven, looks very authentic. It is for the City bag. I think this might be an example of the "9" replacing the "hyphen", sloppy setting. Is the bag okay do you think?
Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290987384232&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123
Auction # 290987384232
seller: nancy2kids
I am thinking of bidding on this auction and had concerns about the serial numbers
on two of the bags, the black ones. The seller sent me close up photos of both.
The one she described as serial no.122-983 is actually 122-9834 (the four was very light) so that is okay.
The other one has an 8-number string. She sent me a photo of the creed patch which I tried to copy but it is not working. No. 08898838 It has those dashes on the top of most of the numbers and they slightly uneven, looks very authentic. It is for the City bag. I think this might be an example of the "9" replacing the "hyphen", sloppy setting. Is the bag okay do you think?
Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290987384232&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123
Auction # 290987384232
seller: nancy2kids
Thanks Tenny - that is EXTREMELY helpful. Now I know why they just ignored
my reports. It would help if they actually asked you for the reason you think it is fake.
I thought it was just sufficient to say "obvious fake"..lol.
It would be helpful if you posted the photos she sent you. None of these purses is a city bag. The two black ones are a convertible clutch and classic pouch. I can't see the creed well enough on the one without a hyphen in order to say if it is authentic.
This is helpful, thanks! Do you think it helps or hurts to say it was determined by the authenticators at tpf to be fake?
Coach doesn't have any "spotters", their attitude is that if you didn't buy it directly from Coach, you deserve to get cheated and stuck with a fake bag. The only spotters are the members who give up their own personal time searching for and reporting fakes.
So who is ebay referring to when they say the "vero-rights owners" or something like that? That is the reason they give when they remove a listing.
Also, Just out of curiousity, don't you think that the Ebay venue is partially responsible for keeping interest AND demand alive for vintage Coach items? Hence their re-issue of the old classics.
Open the photo, right click and "save as" to your computer. Then you can upload the picture using the paper clip.
Hi, whateve -
To tell you the truth, the way I understand it, it makes no more difference than saying that your "Aunt Sally" told you it was fake. If pushed, they would tell you to have those "so-called experts" report it themselves.
In short, removed items mean less revenue for eBay. Not only do they lose out on the selling fees, but they also have to pay people to remove the items and send those MC-xxx reports to the sellers - then pay their other CSRs to "explain", argue, etc., when disgruntled sellers call to complain.
At the same time, they've been sued enough times that they know they have to be careful and take some kind of action (even "token" removals, one by one) when counterfeit sales get too obvious. After all, counterfeits ARE illegal, whether the manufacturer is looking over your shoulder or not. It's a very fine balance, and they don't always handle it terribly well.
As Hyacinth mentioned, COACH itself isn't about to do much about it, especially on the single, listing-to-listing level. They have the upper hand and can always go after eBay (or any other vendor) if they so choose, and they will always be in the right, since it's their product. It's all about money. At what point is it worth it for either a manufacturer OR a "vendor" to take definitive action?
In short, it would cost far more for eBay to monitor all the gazillions of single listings than to continue letting volunteers (whatever their motivation) help get rid of the obvious stuff. If one of those huge, expensive lawsuits comes of it, they can always try falling back on their "we're just a venue" philosophy and the reporting program they have in place. "Look at all these counterfeit that were reported! We removed them all!" (yeah, right...)
It's disheartening, at best, but for those with a mission to deter counterfeit sales, those angry enough to report, or those with simply a bit too much time on their hands, it can be worth it.
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