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Item: New Coach Handbag-Madison Sabrina
Listing number: 290768237196
Seller: vintage9931
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/290768237196?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
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I purchased this bag earlier this week and it doesnt quite look right; however, Im relatively new to Coach bags. From the listings measurements it should have been a larger bag but it ended up being the smaller one (12937). Also, the creed is suspect. It seems the spacing is off. The figure on it doesnt seem to be fully formed on the tag either.
Listing number: 290768237196
Seller: vintage9931
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/290768237196?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
Comments:
I purchased this bag earlier this week and it doesnt quite look right; however, Im relatively new to Coach bags. From the listings measurements it should have been a larger bag but it ended up being the smaller one (12937). Also, the creed is suspect. It seems the spacing is off. The figure on it doesnt seem to be fully formed on the tag either.
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Item: NWT COACH MADISON PATENT LEATHER CRIMSON RED AUDREY SATCHEL SHOULDER BAG NEW
Listing number:300773153334
Seller: rdrd1111
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NWT-COACH-M...334?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item46077a1a36
Comments: Kindly authenticate. Thank you so much.
Listing number:300773153334
Seller: rdrd1111
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NWT-COACH-M...334?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item46077a1a36
Comments: Kindly authenticate. Thank you so much.
Item: Vintage Coach Patricia's Legacy 9951, British Tan, United States
Listing number: ebay Item # 140845726500
Seller: billybblue
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/140845726500
Comments: I have done some research on the credo, and I believe the serial number should start with a letter and then 2 numbers, but this one appears to be G5D-9951.
http://tinyurl.com/8owmfaa
Listing number: ebay Item # 140845726500
Seller: billybblue
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/140845726500
Comments: I have done some research on the credo, and I believe the serial number should start with a letter and then 2 numbers, but this one appears to be G5D-9951.
http://tinyurl.com/8owmfaa
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Oh, I forgot to mention in my previous post that when I investigated the seller's feedback, there was a LOT (and I mean a LOT, as in over 80 transactions) of feed back from the same person in the last 6 months. According to the feedback dates, this buyer (smdenike) bought from billybblue almost exclusively, with just a few other feedback from other sellers here and there, quite rarely and randomly.
It just seems odd to me that this buyer, smdenike, bought 2 or 3 bags per week for the last 6 months and didn't buy much of anything else from any other sellers on ebay. Sometimes, I wonder if people don't buy and sell to themselves using 2 different ebay accounts to rack up fake positive feedback for sales that never actually happened. Have you ever heard of such a thing?
It just seems odd to me that this buyer, smdenike, bought 2 or 3 bags per week for the last 6 months and didn't buy much of anything else from any other sellers on ebay. Sometimes, I wonder if people don't buy and sell to themselves using 2 different ebay accounts to rack up fake positive feedback for sales that never actually happened. Have you ever heard of such a thing?
The creed does say G5D-9951 which means it was made in July of 1995 in the D Coach factory.
I see no problems with that bag.
Check out the guides linked below for information about Coach.
http://search.reviews.ebay.com/members/salearea?uaid=41262657&uan=salearea&uqt=g
I don't know why you feel the creed should have 2 numbers in the prefix. The MAJORITY of classic Coaches with 3-digit prefixes have 2 letters. Please read the Salearea Guide that DemRam posted a link to. Wherever you're doing your research isn't giving you the right answers, or you're not looking hard enough.
As for the bidding, apparently the buyer buys multiple items using Best Offer and the seller is ok with that - any time a seller can move 5 or 6 items at once to a known and trusted buyer, I wouldn't blame them for doing it. The buyer probably re-sells under another iD and has found a dependable source of sellable bags AND a seller who'll ship to Canada. With sales across Ebay as slow as they are, I don't blame a seller for cultivating a buyer like that. There are other signs we look for in shill bidding cases and I don't see any of those signs here - and there's NO indication that the buyer is artificially trying to increase the final price - the buyer is actually BUYING the items. So where's the problem? Why would a seller try to build false positives instead of actual sales and MONEY in their pocket? It's just not logical.
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I'm NOT an expert in newer styles, so I'd suggest asking at Ebay's Shoes & Purses forum if no other experienced authenticators answer. But I'm worried about the year code - the one you have shows a 2010 year code but all the others I found on Ebay all are from 2008 except 2 from January 2009 and another black one like the one you bought. I don't know if Coach brought back that style 2 years after they originally made it, you'd have to ask an expert in recent bags about that. And it wasn't brought back as an outlet item since there's no F in front of the style number.
Like I said, I'm not an expert on this style and that's what you need.
As for the feedback...that's what I couldn't figure out...I just thought it was a little odd since I hadn't seen a transaction record like that before. It didn't appear to be artificially raising the price, but it just seemed a little peculiar to me that someone would move so many bags like that. I don't have a lot of experience as a seller on ebay so I could have easily "missed the memo" on something like that. LOL
In my authentication research, I have found a lot of information that is contradictory and a lot of misinformation that is completely false and useless. (Welcome to the internet! LOL) Many sources state that the serial number will have a letter at the beginning that will not go higher than L (the 12th lettter of the alphabet) and each letter corresponds with the month of the year (A=1 or January, B=2 or February, C=3 or March, etc) and then the next to characters will be the last 2 digits of the year the bag was manufactured. The dash would follow the year and the last four characters would be the style number. So, (as an example) C95-1234 would by bag style 1234 that was made in March, 1995.
I also found several sources that give information about bags with an F in the serial number that meant the bag had been manufactured specifically for sale at a factory outlet store or a circle (or bullseye) near the creed that meant the bag had been purchased at outlet store but was not specifically made for it, such as discontinued styles and overstock.
I'm still learning. Additionally, since these bags have such a long life (I have seen bags that are 40-50 years old) and there have been many changes over the decades that it's hard to follow sometimes.
I have a D&B that is (unfortunately) a fake. It was a gift from someone (very thoughtful!) who was not experienced and (thankfully) did not pay too much for it. It's a cute purse and although not authentic, it's very well made. I am buying this bag as a gift and I didn't want to make the same mistake. I don't have many older Coach bags, so I wasn't sure what to look for in a bag like this one.
Thanks again for all of your help!
As for the feedback...that's what I couldn't figure out...I just thought it was a little odd since I hadn't seen a transaction record like that before. It didn't appear to be artificially raising the price, but it just seemed a little peculiar to me that someone would move so many bags like that. I don't have a lot of experience as a seller on ebay so I could have easily "missed the memo" on something like that. LOL
In my authentication research, I have found a lot of information that is contradictory and a lot of misinformation that is completely false and useless. (Welcome to the internet! LOL) Many sources state that the serial number will have a letter at the beginning that will not go higher than L (the 12th lettter of the alphabet) and each letter corresponds with the month of the year (A=1 or January, B=2 or February, C=3 or March, etc) and then the next to characters will be the last 2 digits of the year the bag was manufactured. The dash would follow the year and the last four characters would be the style number. So, (as an example) C95-1234 would by bag style 1234 that was made in March, 1995.
I also found several sources that give information about bags with an F in the serial number that meant the bag had been manufactured specifically for sale at a factory outlet store or a circle (or bullseye) near the creed that meant the bag had been purchased at outlet store but was not specifically made for it, such as discontinued styles and overstock.
I'm still learning. Additionally, since these bags have such a long life (I have seen bags that are 40-50 years old) and there have been many changes over the decades that it's hard to follow sometimes.
I have a D&B that is (unfortunately) a fake. It was a gift from someone (very thoughtful!) who was not experienced and (thankfully) did not pay too much for it. It's a cute purse and although not authentic, it's very well made. I am buying this bag as a gift and I didn't want to make the same mistake. I don't have many older Coach bags, so I wasn't sure what to look for in a bag like this one.
Thanks again for all of your help!
The only accurate "Authenticity Guides" I have ever seen are the ones I linked in Post #2091 and again below. All others guides I've seen are laughable and dangerously WRONG.
http://search.reviews.ebay.com/members/salearea?uaid=41262657&uan=salearea&uqt=g
If you read and bookmark them you will find that the information you posted above is incorrect. Coach uses the letters A through M (excluding the letter I) to indicate the month. (There are exceptions to the "I" rule, but those need to be looked at by someone familiar with those "mistakes").
And, from 1994 through 2003 they only used the last number of the year on the creed. They didn't start using 2 numbers until 2004, when they used "04", and they continue to use the last 2 numbers of the year to indicate the year of manufacture.
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As for the feedback...that's what I couldn't figure out...I just thought it was a little odd since I hadn't seen a transaction record like that before. It didn't appear to be artificially raising the price, but it just seemed a little peculiar to me that someone would move so many bags like that. I don't have a lot of experience as a seller on ebay so I could have easily "missed the memo" on something like that. LOL
In my authentication research, I have found a lot of information that is contradictory and a lot of misinformation that is completely false and useless. (Welcome to the internet! LOL) Many sources state that the serial number will have a letter at the beginning that will not go higher than L (the 12th lettter of the alphabet) and each letter corresponds with the month of the year (A=1 or January, B=2 or February, C=3 or March, etc) and then the next to characters will be the last 2 digits of the year the bag was manufactured. The dash would follow the year and the last four characters would be the style number. So, (as an example) C95-1234 would by bag style 1234 that was made in March, 1995.
I also found several sources that give information about bags with an F in the serial number that meant the bag had been manufactured specifically for sale at a factory outlet store or a circle (or bullseye) near the creed that meant the bag had been purchased at outlet store but was not specifically made for it, such as discontinued styles and overstock.
I'm still learning. Additionally, since these bags have such a long life (I have seen bags that are 40-50 years old) and there have been many changes over the decades that it's hard to follow sometimes.
I have a D&B that is (unfortunately) a fake. It was a gift from someone (very thoughtful!) who was not experienced and (thankfully) did not pay too much for it. It's a cute purse and although not authentic, it's very well made. I am buying this bag as a gift and I didn't want to make the same mistake. I don't have many older Coach bags, so I wasn't sure what to look for in a bag like this one.
Thanks again for all of your help!
Again, PLEASE read the Salearea Guides posted previously and ignore other Guides that state hard and fast "rules" because there are very few real rules that cover 100 percent of cases. The Salearea Guides state that the standard month codes - the first digit in bags made from 1994 to the present - go up to M, not L, and sometimes a plant could make a mistake and go up to N. If anything you're reading says that L was the highest letter, that's complete nonsense and you should ignore ANYTHING from that writer. The letter "i" normally wasn't used as the month code but sometimes slipped through, but it also shows up in fakes.
An F in the serial number ONLY means a Made For Factory bag when it's in front of the style number.
Ninety-five percent of those so-called guides are just Copied & Pasted fromn some other damn-fool's guide and the same stupid and ridiculous mistakes keep getting passed on, that why 95 percent of online Coach guides are useless and worse. The Salearea Guides are researched a to z and nothing previously posted in any other guide is accepted or repeated as fact without confirmation. Ignore the copiers and stick to the Guides that are based on facts and research, not internet-based nonsense and plagarism.
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Hello ladies! One authentication request please:
Red NYC Basic Bag?
~10.g" x 6.5" x 1.75"
Thrift store, ~$15 after coupon.
Talon zipper, seemingly redyed with lord-knows-what...
A lady was watching me as I looked at it, and kept saying, "That ain't real. Put it back."
It felt and looked good so I went ahead and got it... Crossing my fingers now.
Also, apologies for the crappy cell pics.. It really is red!
Red NYC Basic Bag?
~10.g" x 6.5" x 1.75"
Thrift store, ~$15 after coupon.
Talon zipper, seemingly redyed with lord-knows-what...
A lady was watching me as I looked at it, and kept saying, "That ain't real. Put it back."
It felt and looked good so I went ahead and got it... Crossing my fingers now.
Also, apologies for the crappy cell pics.. It really is red!
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