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BeenBurned said:
Please post a picture of the full front of the bag also.

And if there's an ebay listing from which you purchased, please post that.

This post gives the requested posting format. It's helpful in searches for seller IDs and items: http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-694619.html#post19464109
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Hi, here is the front of the bag as well as the creed. I have never seen the "P" on a bag before, Coach told me it meant "pilot." Thanks for looking at it.
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#5,748
I do not believe it is authentic. I do not believe the bag came in that color. The zipper pull inside is wrong. I do not like the looks of that creed. I believe the creed should be scripted out. It should not have come with a registration card.


supah2011 said:
Hi,
Ms BeenBurned.
Its me again..
Can you help me authenticate this coach bag.

Item: AUTHENTIC COACH BAG
Listing number:270887845450
Seller:cheely38 ( 14)
Link: http://www.ebay.ph/itm/AUTHENTIC-CO...=017&category=1063&cmd=ViewItem#ht_1557wt_934
Comments:thanks in advance..
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#5,749
superpsych1 said:
Hi, here is the front of the bag as well as the creed. I have never seen the "P" on a bag before, Coach told me it meant "pilot." Thanks for looking at it.
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It looks good to me but wait for BeenBurned.

The "P" does mean Pilot bag, usually a style made in small numbers at least a few months before the style is scheduled to go into full production. Coach does this to find out from the buyers if there are any changes they might want to make, and to get an idea of how popular the style will be.

Pilot bags might have some details that are different from the full production bag such as linings, hangtags, stitching details or creed stampings. This particular bag came out as a Pilot a few months before the full production version and had a different creed - the later version had a Legacy creed stamped with the words in gold script.

Here's a genuine full-production version of the same bag:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AUTHENTIC-C...476?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item3f124a1884
 
#5,751
Hyacinth said:
I don't understand why she thinks the bag you sold her was fake, other than the fact that Coach employees (if she even IS an ex-employee, which I seriously doubt) know LESS about genuine Coach classic and vintage bags than anyone else I've ever come across.

Also just so you know, there is a "clique" of Ebay buyers who claim to be former Coach employees and who enjoy browbeating sellers into removing genuine bags from Ebay, or buying bags and then claiming they're fake in order to basically blackmail the seller into giving them a partial refund - has your buyer dropped any hints about a partial refund yet? These bullies not only are NOT former Coach employees, but they know absolutely NOTHING about older Coaches.I'm wondering if your buyer is one of them - please post the buyer's ID here if she continues harrassing you about a genuine bag. In fact, post it anyway so the sellers here can add it to their Blocked Bidder List.

The bag in the listing is a GENUINE Legacy Crescent Bag made in 2002. There is absolutely nothing fake about it, all details are correct and the creed stamping is genuine. If the buyer is claiming that she thought she was buying a style # 9340 when the correct style number is shown in 2 primary locations in the listing AND you have a complete set of photos showing every angle of the bag including the creed patch and serial number, then she's either an idiot or a crook. Style # 9340 was a Retro Hippie Hobo and could never possibly be mistaken for a Legacy Crescent, the only similarity is a "saddlebag" sort of look - I've posted a photo of style 9340 below.

The bag in your listing even has an outlet stamp indicating it was transferred to a Coach Outlet from a full-price store. Although I've seen fakes of that stamp on newer bags, in a classic leather bag it's a very strong indicator of authenticity, and any "former Coach employee" whose job consisted of anything more complicated than sweeping the floors after closing time would know that.

Your buyer has NO basis whatsoever to any claim of the bag being fake - it sounds more like buyer's remorse with a touch of extortion thrown in, especially since there are other bags in that same style currently listed for less than what she paid (and all the details in those bags also match the details in yours, BTW).
http://www.ebay.com/dsc/i.html?_nkw...50&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313&LH_TitleDesc=1

It will be interesting to see once you've posted the buyer's ID if she bids on any of those less expensive bags. But please do post the ID here as a warning to other Ebayers, and feel free to refer her to this post - if she wants to try and justify her BS claim to me, she's welcome to try.

The only other possibility I can think of is that she thought she was bidding on the style 9340 that you also have listed. But if that's the case, that's HER problem, not yours.

I'm sorry you're going through this. But there's been a huge increase in the number of "poisonous" buyers on Ebay in the last few years and it looks like you managed to get stuck with one of them.
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Hi Hyacinth! Thank you so much for replying to my inquiry - I feel so vindicated now!! I believe you are correct about the buyer's remorse. She waited until the last minute to bid and used the BUY IT NOW option, when she probably would have won it for the starting bid of $109.99, since there were no other bids. I thought it was very strange when that occurred. Her eBay ID is "guru534" (155 eBay transactions with 100% feedback).

This is guru534 1st email to me:

"It may have been unintentional but as a former employee of COACH,Inc it was immediately obvious by several flaws in the attempt to pass it off, that this is not an authentic COACH purse. If you would please issue me a refund immediately and I will of course send you the purse. If a refund is denied I will have to notify Ebay,PayPal and COACH,Inc in New York that fraud has been committed. As I am sure you know, the penalty for selling a counterfeit product is serious. If this was not intentional I will certainly continue to give you positive feedback as soon as my money is refunded. Sincerely, guru534".

My response:
Wow, the errors in the Coach # were not intentional at all. I purchased this bag thru an eBay siller not too long ago and only carried it a couple of times. I assumed that it was a real Coach. It looks real to me, and the Coach creed looks real to me too, although I am not an expert, as I am with Dooney & Bourke. Threats are not necessary, as you will get your money back as soon as I receive the bag in the return mail. I will not refund the return shipping. I believe it's an authentic Coach purse, but it's certainly not worth arguing about. I be willing to bet that this is authentic, but again, not worth the trouble. Nothing I did in the listing or in the selling of this purse was to intentionally defraud anyone, I would NEVER do that, and take offense at your insinuation. This is a hobby to me and I always take the selling, describing of the item, and the careful shipping of the item VERY seriously. I've never been accused of selling a fraud. Please return it and I'll refund your money promptly. I LOVE the bag and would be very happy to have it back. Have a nice evening - Kimberly

2nd email from guru534:
"In addition, you stated that style 9718 has been retired.....not true. Style 9718 is registered to an entirely different purse. You stated that it would be stamped for style 9340. Style 9340 is also registered to an entirely different purse. There are several other fraudulent things in the purse that I will be ready to share with the proper parties should a refund be denied. Sincerely, guru534"

My response:
So, I suppose this listing is for a fraudulent purse also: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-Black...137?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item4cfbe88901

The eBay template I used to list this bag was also used to list another Coach bag (Style #9340) that I'm selling right now if you take a look at my listing for the Coach Hippie Saddle Bag. It was a totally honest mistake that I forgot to change the Style number when I used the same template for the next Coach listing. Again, I'm truly sorry for the mixup, but I am very upset that you have threatened me when it was really not necessary for an honest mistake in the Style #. I still stand by the authenticity of the bag; the seller I bought it from had a stellar feedback profile and specialized in selling Coach.

Last email from guru534:
"Hi XXXXXXXXX,
Please accept my apology for being so harsh....I can tell by your response that you absolutely did not intend to sell a purse that was not authentic. I will send the purse back to you tomorrow and I know in my heart that you will send me a refund and we will just put this behind us. No harm done, no hard feelings and I will not mention it to anyone and give you very positive feedback. Live and learn as they say. guru534"

It appears to me that for all intent and purposes, the only fraud is guru534. Do you have any suggestions about how to handle the transaction going forward? Should I just chalk it up to experience and refund her money, as she is requesting? Again, thanks so much for authenticating this bag.

 
#5,753
CA-Anonymous said:
I have many of the leather grommet bracelets but have never seen this style before, so unsure if this is real or fake? If real, anyone have any idea as to the year(s) this style was made and did it come in any other colors too? TIA!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170760677459&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123
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Hi authenticators---I believe my earlier request (post #5643) was overlooked. Is it possible to tell me if this leather Coach bracelet is real? TIA!
 
#5,760
Hyacinth said:
It looks good to me but wait for BeenBurned.

The "P" does mean Pilot bag, usually a style made in small numbers at least a few months before the style is scheduled to go into full production. Coach does this to find out from the buyers if there are any changes they might want to make, and to get an idea of how popular the style will be.

Pilot bags might have some details that are different from the full production bag such as linings, hangtags, stitching details or creed stampings. This particular bag came out as a Pilot a few months before the full production version and had a different creed - the later version had a Legacy creed stamped with the words in gold script.

Here's a genuine full-production version of the same bag:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AUTHENTIC-C...476?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item3f124a1884
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Is a pilot bag any more or less valuable that the full production counterpart?
Thank you for looking at it Hyacinth! I'll wait for BeenBurned to look at as well.
 
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