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a1i50n said:
Wow, I didn't even know you could do that, but wonder why it only showed you 4 instead of all 5 (crystal & pink skulls, leather & valet life preservers, & level)! Thanks for checking on them, I really, REALLY appreciate it and am happy to know the two I'm stuffing stockings with won't end up as an embarrassment...or poisons! Thank you again & happy holidays!
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You're welcome.
 
#4,907
ms_sue said:
Hyacinth, I have my British tan one in my hands right now that you had posted yesterday that you thought was fine. Is there something I should look at to compare? One thing I notice about this black one listed, which might just be a function of the lighting or the different color of the bag, is that the rectangle around the creed seems more pronounced, as the the outline around the word "Coach" above it. I don't know if that's relevant.

Also, regarding the possible problem with the "JH8" that BeenBurned mentioned: I found the following in an eBay guide: "K3H-, J8H-, and M4B- prefixes are possible counterfeits, especially if the font of the digits of the serial number seems slightly different. Please have them looked at by an expert - NOT a Coach store employee, many of whom may be Coach lovers but who have no training in recognising fakes, especially older ones."

The digits in the last photo look the same to me as the one that I have, but I don't know that I would be able to tell a slight difference.

She (or he) does have excellent fb, but she did sell that fake key fob. The bag looks to be in excellent condition, so I am torn.
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Thanks for checking!

How deep the stamping looks can be different for the reasons you gave, or because one bag is worn a bit more than the other, or even because whoever stamped it - and all that was done by hand - may have put more pressure on one than the other. One big difference is that yours and this one are from 2 different plants and months, so it's really not fair to expect them both to be completely identical, each plant had its own stamp and they would usually have very slight differences in the main part of the stamp and more noticeable differences in the number-stamping mechanism itself.

Usually the fake prefixes mentioned in that Ebay guide will have other noticeable problems with the creed stamping or with other parts of the bag, like strap mounting hardware. It's never possible to be completely sure since it's really amazingly easy for professionals to fake an all-leather Coach as long as they have a well-copied creed stamp and skilled leatherworkers. But I'm not seeing anything in the black one from the wonky seller to make me think it might be counterfeit.
 
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Please help me to Authenticate ~ thankyou so much!

1.Item: Please also help with I.D. It's a gorgeous bag but haven't seen it before
Link:http://vintagelovegirl.blogspot.com/2011/12/british-tan-beauty.html
Comments:Measures 10" length, 8" height, 3" deep

2. Item: Soho Legacy 4157
Link:http://vintagelovegirl.blogspot.com/2011/12/soho-legacy-4157.html
Comments:

3. Item:Bucket Bag 9085. Not sure of the actual name
Link:http://vintagelovegirl.blogspot.com/2011/12/bucket-bag-9085.html
Comments: Judging from its measurements its 9085. 15.5" at the longest
14" at the bottom, 13" height, 9" deep

4. Item: This one is like the 9590 but smaller. Not sure of the I.D of the smaller bag
Link:http://vintagelovegirl.blogspot.com/2011/12/smaller-saddle-bag-9590.html
Comments:Measures 8.5" length, 6.5" height, 2" deep


Thank you! :) ;)
 
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For some older Coach bags, I'm trying to figure out how to match up the second letter in the serial number with which country it represents. From what I understand, B, C, and D typically represent the U.S. And I thought I read here that H can be the U.S. or Costa Rica. I would appreciate it if anyone give tell about the other letters I see when I look at listings, such as L, P, N, etc.
 
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Hyacinth said:
Thanks for checking!

How deep the stamping looks can be different for the reasons you gave, or because one bag is worn a bit more than the other, or even because whoever stamped it - and all that was done by hand - may have put more pressure on one than the other. One big difference is that yours and this one are from 2 different plants and months, so it's really not fair to expect them both to be completely identical, each plant had its own stamp and they would usually have very slight differences in the main part of the stamp and more noticeable differences in the number-stamping mechanism itself.

Usually the fake prefixes mentioned in that Ebay guide will have other noticeable problems with the creed stamping or with other parts of the bag, like strap mounting hardware. It's never possible to be completely sure since it's really amazingly easy for professionals to fake an all-leather Coach as long as they have a well-copied creed stamp and skilled leatherworkers. But I'm not seeing anything in the black one from the wonky seller to make me think it might be counterfeit.
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Thanks so much, Hyacinth. I have a few hours to decide. I love that style and want it in black, so I've been checking other listings. But I will hand it to this "wonky" seller that at least she or he does provide a good amount of information and did add the pics and info I had requested. Some of these sellers think one sentence and a blurry pic suffice.
 
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ms_sue said:
For some older Coach bags, I'm trying to figure out how to match up the second letter in the serial number with which country it represents. From what I understand, B, C, and D typically represent the U.S. And I thought I read here that H can be the U.S. or Costa Rica. I would appreciate it if anyone give tell about the other letters I see when I look at listings, such as L, P, N, etc.
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That's not something I like to put out in public, for several reasons. One, because I'm still not sure if a plant code would have been passed on to a new plant when the old one was closed, some seem to have been (the codes you listed are some of those possible "legacies"). And two, because a tiny cynical part of my brain always wonders if Coach fudged some of the plant codes and may have actually had bags with creeds that would say Made in the United States but with plant codes that actually showed the country they were actually made in for the few people at Coach who knew how to read them. I'm sure Coach took a lot of heat when the "all-American leather company from NYC" started closing US plants and making bags overseas, and it's remotely possible that they tried to disguise the fact by deliberately stamping non-US bags as being made in the US.

And three, because professional fakes sellers, makers and distributors read these boards and belong to this forum, and I don't like giving out information that's going to help them make more accurate fakes. There are some things that most of the regular authenticators who got their start at Ebay's old Purses Forum decided long ago to not post in public, and for me, that's one of them.

You could always do what I did - just start making a list of the codes in genuine bags. Almost every bit of information I've posted about Coach has been collected, saved, analyzed and re-analyzed, and often corrected multiple times, over the last 6 or 7 years to come up with what I hope is an accurate database and history - Coach never publishes that kind of information and the only way to get it is by finding it on your own.
 
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I'm still not sure if a plant code would have been passed on to a new plant when the old one was closed, some seem to have been (the codes you listed are some of those possible "legacies").

Hyacinth, you're referring to the L, P, and N that I mentioned; right?
 
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2011vintage said:
Please help me to Authenticate ~ thankyou so much!

1.Item: Please also help with I.D. It's a gorgeous bag but haven't seen it before
Link:http://vintagelovegirl.blogspot.com/2011/12/british-tan-beauty.html
Comments:Measures 10" length, 8" height, 3" deep

2. Item: Soho Legacy 4157
Link:http://vintagelovegirl.blogspot.com/2011/12/soho-legacy-4157.html
Comments:

3. Item:Bucket Bag 9085. Not sure of the actual name
Link:http://vintagelovegirl.blogspot.com/2011/12/bucket-bag-9085.html
Comments: Judging from its measurements its 9085. 15.5" at the longest
14" at the bottom, 13" height, 9" deep

4. Item: This one is like the 9590 but smaller. Not sure of the I.D of the smaller bag
Link:http://vintagelovegirl.blogspot.com/2011/12/smaller-saddle-bag-9590.html
Comments:Measures 8.5" length, 6.5" height, 2" deep


Thank you! :) ;)
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1- Mulberry Bag style 9899 from around 1992

2- genuine Soho Buckle Bag, someone had a heavy hand with the serial number stamp

3- classic Duffle Sac, late 70s to late 80s

4- according to the measurements it's another 9590 medium Saddle Pouch. They were made for a short time in 3 sizes but the measurements were pretty similar and it's easy to mistake one for the other especially since Coach seems to have kept changing the size designation and official measurements.

Coach quotes the Medium / Standard 9590 measurements as 9x7x1.5 inches in the late 80s but as 9x8x2 in 1982.

Style 9585, 10,5x8x2 (OR 11x9x2 in 1982) has been called Large or just Saddle Pouch

Style 9595, apparently discontinued in the early 1980s, was called Small - 9x5x2

The Large was briefly brought back at least once, in 1997. The rest were discontinued by about 1994 at the latest. I have no idea if there were any outlet versions.
 
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ms_sue said:
I'm still not sure if a plant code would have been passed on to a new plant when the old one was closed, some seem to have been (the codes you listed are some of those possible "legacies").

Hyacinth, you're referring to the L, P, and N that I mentioned; right?
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Yes, although P was owned by the Costa Rica plant for a long time.
 
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Hyacinth said:
1- Mulberry Bag style 9899 from around 1992

2- genuine Soho Buckle Bag, someone had a heavy hand with the serial number stamp

3- classic Duffle Sac, late 70s to late 80s

4- according to the measurements it's another 9590 medium Saddle Pouch. They were made for a short time in 3 sizes but the measurements were pretty similar and it's easy to mistake one for the other especially since Coach seems to have kept changing the size designation and official measurements.

Coach quotes the Medium / Standard 9590 measurements as 9x7x1.5 inches in the late 80s but as 9x8x2 in 1982.

Style 9585, 10,5x8x2 (OR 11x9x2 in 1982) has been called Large or just Saddle Pouch

Style 9595, apparently discontinued in the early 1980s, was called Small - 9x5x2

The Large was briefly brought back at least once, in 1997. The rest were discontinued by about 1994 at the latest. I have no idea if there were any outlet versions.
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Thank you Hyacinth! This is great information and I appreciate always the time you take to educate me and others. I love learning all that you share!! :)
Very interesting about the Saddle Pouch!
 
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Hyacinth said:
Please explain what you mean by "kinda fishy". Also please post close-up photos of the hardware, and logos or emblems like a Carriage plaque or Coach plaque, and a clear readable photo of the creed patch and serial number.

NOTHING can be authenticated with just one photo.
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oh i am so sorry for not providing enough picture and information. the seller of the bag swears that its authentic. but there's some scratch around the ring of the zipper which i cant help thinking how could this happen to a coach. and the brass hardware is not shiny. does brass hardware look like this normally?

here is the pic of the creed

if anyone could help me. Thanks a lot. i really appreciate

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this is the ring i mean,

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the hardware is not polished/shiny

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#4,920
cla225 said:
This legit?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/290642686852?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
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In the future, please use the format for authenticity requests posted on page 1, post 1 of this thread.

And there's absolutely NO way to tell if that's genuine with one small photo that doesn't even show the whole front of the bag, much less large, readable photos of the half-dozen areas of the bag needed for authentication.

Anyone who bids on any highly-faked brand based on one lousy photo like that is making a very dangerous mistake. If you can get large clear close-ups of the front, back, hardware, strap, and creed patch and serial number we'll be glad to take a look.
 
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