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Originally Posted by sissypretty can someone help me authenticate this coach bag. thanks

Is this bag in a listing somewhere? Showing the source is helpful. (That's why we request a posting format in post #1 of the thread. It's helpful to see other items that are listed as well as the seller or website history.

I'm not familiar with this style and I can't quite read the serial number.

Please post a bit more information.

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It appears that the creed indicates a style of 13093. The only picture I can find of a bag that matches the style of that item is on a counterfeit-selling Chinese website.

This isn't to say that the bag you've pictured is fake but we certainly need more info.

I agree - it's fake. The strap clips are wrong and that clip design was never used by Coach. Also the font on at least one of the hangtags is wrong for the period
 
If it had been fake I would have said so when you first mentioned it. It's a Duffle Sac from the mid-1970s.

So sorry.....didn't see that anywhere....was too busy reading all the info in the links :-) Now am kicking myself because I cancelled my bid. Lesson learned. Do you know if these are very hard to come by.....NEW vintage in that particular shade (I don't know if it's tan or camel) or is there a good chance that If I check back often on ebay I might come across another one. Surprisingly addictive searching out these gorgeous bags!
 
So sorry.....didn't see that anywhere....was too busy reading all the info in the links :-) Now am kicking myself because I cancelled my bid. Lesson learned. Do you know if these are very hard to come by.....NEW vintage in that particular shade (I don't know if it's tan or camel) or is there a good chance that If I check back often on ebay I might come across another one. Surprisingly addictive searching out these gorgeous bags!

Sometimes old bags even if unused can have problems. It's nice to have something that vintage, but frankly I'd rather have a vintage bag that I know has been cared for and most importantly moisturized every year rather than one that's been lying around on the floor of a closet subject to improper storage - look at the wrinkles or impressions on the leather, that's from improper storage - or moisture. The only way you might be able to get those wrinkles out is by giving the bag a full bath and rehab.

Old handbags can also suffer from mildew, especially if stored in a plastic bag or box. Check where the seller lives when looking at an older bag, in this case "Bay Area" to me means high humidity and possibly a musty smell if not outright mildew issues.
 
Sometimes old bags even if unused can have problems. It's nice to have something that vintage, but frankly I'd rather have a vintage bag that I know has been cared for and most importantly moisturized every year rather than one that's been lying around on the floor of a closet subject to improper storage - look at the wrinkles or impressions on the leather, that's from improper storage - or moisture. The only way you might be able to get those wrinkles out is by giving the bag a full bath and rehab.

Old handbags can also suffer from mildew, especially if stored in a plastic bag or box. Check where the seller lives when looking at an older bag, in this case "Bay Area" to me means high humidity and possibly a musty smell if not outright mildew issues.

Thank-you so much for replying Hyacinth! You've eased my mind!....I wouldn't even know where to start with a full bath and rehab....lol! I'll definitely keep an eye out for wrinkling. I did see it but had no idea it may have to do with moisture or mildew issues! Love learning something new everyday :-))
 
Listing: 200649974813
Seller: mscaudill31
Item: Vintage Coach leather Swingpack/messenger style Purse

The photos aren't very good, and the serial number has me worried. Hard to tell if it ends in 9018 or 9019, but neither number matches the style of the bag, 9018 is an Emmie Flap and 9019 is a Maggie Duffle, pictures of both are below. I don't like the strap either, the ends really look unfinished compared to other Coaches. I'd also like to see a clear photo of just how the strap adjusts.

Without being able to verify the style number, I can't recommend buying or selling it since the authenticity seems questionable.
 

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Item: Coach Handbag
Listing number: 200651479246
Seller:fir3crack3r
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/200651479246?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
Comments: Do you think this bag can be rehabbed to look "new"?

Item: Chocolate brown bag
Listing number: 260850175750
Seller: jrasn001
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/260850175750?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
Comments: Should I be wary since the seller only has 2 feedback? The seller also sent me a picture (attached below) of the creed but the first 3 letters look wonky. Thanks so much! :)
 

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Oops my apologies! I will not throw around the term "fake" so loosely...I just joined yesterday ;-)
I had read this post and thought there was a difference btwn the 2 #'s in format and era.
As I'm a Coach newbie I don't know whether the info is completely accurate but it certainly seemed like it was written by someone who's very knowledgeable ;-))

Here's the post:


Authentic vs fake: A history of the Coach creed and serial #'s.
Hi there, There is some misinformation in the ebelle guide "How to spot a fake Coach bag" about some of the creeds and serial numbers. I have emailed Jennifer to let her know and I am posting the history of Coach creeds and serial #'s, for any person who is interested in older Coach bags and vintage Coach bags manufactured before the 1990s.

HISTORY OF COACH CREEDS & SERIAL NUMBERS.

The second and third photo of the creeds/serial #’s in the ebelle Coach guide which are labeled as fake are genuine pre-90s creeds/serial #’s.

In the 1960's Coach bags had either a metal identifier tag, or simple impression of the Coach logo, no creed no serial #'s.

Coach introduced the creed without any serial # sometime in the late 60's/early70s. The word "leatherwear" is under the word Coach and the wording of the creed at this time was all caps "THIS IS A COACH BAG. IT IS MADE OUT OF A COMPLETELY NATURAL GLOVE TANNED COWHIDE. THE SCARS, SCRATCHES, VEINS AND WRINKLES ARE NATURAL CHARACTERISTICS OF FULL GRAIN LEATHERS". Under the creed is in all caps, "MADE IN NEW YORK CITY, U.S.A." ALL Coach bags made after the introduction of the creed and before serial #'s were introduced were made in NYC. Note that there are gaps in the creed in the lines describing the "scars, scratches, veins and wrinkles"

When Coach added serial numbers to the creed in the 1970's they were "all numbers" in the format "xxx-xxxx" as shown in the second photo in the ebelle list. The last four digits do not correspond to the style number, each bag had a unique number. The particular bag shown in photo 2 on the list was made in New York City. Coach ceased making bags in NYC in the mid 70's before there was such a thing as fakes or knock offs. NYC bags are vintage and rare.

This serial number format (all numbers, xxx-xxxx) is also on bags made in the United states, after Coach began manufacturing bags in multiple locations in the USA rather than NYC (sometime in the mid to late 70s). The wording of the creed is the same, except on the bottom it will say 'MADE IN THE UNITED STATES" OR "MADE IN U.S.A." Again the last four digits are not the style number, and the serial #’s were unique to each bag. There are a few styles with "MADE IN U.S.A" that have 8 in the serial number - all numbers, no dash, just a continuous string.

In the 1980's Coach changed the serial numbers to "all numbers" in the format xxxx-xxx. An example of this in the third photo in the ebelle guide. The last three numbers do not relate to the style number, again the serial #’s were apparently unique to each bag.

It was not until the 1990's that Coach introduced the modern registration format of letters and numbers, with the last four digits being the style number (or in the case of some of the newer bags after 2000, the last five digits). These registration numbers are not unique to each bag. The wording of the creed was also changed to all caps "THIS IS A COACH BAG. IT WAS HANDCRAFTED IN (country of origin) OF COMPLETELY NATURAL GLOVE-TANNED COWHIDE. THE VARIATIONS IN THE GRAIN ARE CHARACTERISTIC OF NATURAL FULL GRAIN LEATHER." There are no longer gaps between any of the words.

At the present time any one who reads the ebelle review here will think any bag for sale on an online auction site which was made pre 1990s and has the old serial number format, is fake, even the rare, vintage, made in New York City Bonnie Cashin designs. Hopefully Jennifer will get a chance to update the review soon.

If you would like photos of the 60's metal tag or impressed logo, or any of the pre-90s creeds and serial #'s please contact me. I would also be happy to share photos of knock-offs of Coach leather bags, including the classics, which are based on the bags from this pre-90s era, including photos of fake creeds and serial #’s.

I this post helps Coach classics and vintage bag collectors.

I'm still trying to find the Guide you're asking about. There's another one by another writer posted at Ebay with the same incorrect dates and I'm trying to find this one to compare and figure out where the writers got their information from. Can you post the URL where you found it?

Thanks!
 
Item: Coach Handbag
Listing number: 200651479246
Seller:fir3crack3r
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/200651479246?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

Item: Chocolate brown bag
Listing number: 260850175750
Seller: jrasn001
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/260850175750?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
Comments: Should I be wary since the seller only has 2 feedback? The seller also sent me a picture (attached below) of the creed but the first 3 letters look wonky. Thanks so much! :)

Items by new or new-ish sellers should be checked over carefully, but the only ones to be really careful about are new sellers in Southern California in the Arcadia - Orange County California area, especially when high volumes of wallets are involved.

After all, new sellers have to start somewhere. Unfortunately this one apparently doesn't know what potential buyers need to see but at least she sent a creed photo. Again, I want to remind people that the stampings and creeds and serial numbers on older bags CAN be uneven! These were hand-stamped and mistakes were made. The serial number and codes are correct and I don't see any problems.
 
Sorry, I can't recommend that bag. The font of the serial number isn't quite right, and the plant code belongs to Costa Rica, not the US, and should not have been used in genuine US-made bags. The clips on the strap seem strange too.

I wantr to check Ebay for more comparisons, but if you haven't paid for it you may want to wait a while.

gnourtmat - there are several other J8Y- prefix bags with Made in US creeds, one's obviously fake (invalid year code) and one isn't even in my files but has the typical fake's damaged leather. The strap clips are also wrong.

Al the other J8Y- creeds have the correct made in Costa Rica creeds.

The Court Bag isn't genuine, sorry.

EDITED TO ADD - I just noticed you're the seller - you need to cancel this transaction and refund any payment you may have received.

Thanks for your help. I am actually NOT the seller of the bag, my mom is... she had no idea it was a fake as she bought it from a second-hand store, she wanted me to authenticate it for her because the buyer said it was fake. My mom is shocked and she definitely cancelled the transaction and refunded the buyer.

I myself know nothing about selling on eBay :shrugs: but thanks for your help.
 
Originally Posted by Hyacinth Sorry, I can't recommend that bag. The font of the serial number isn't quite right, and the plant code belongs to Costa Rica, not the US, and should not have been used in genuine US-made bags. The clips on the strap seem strange too.

I wantr to check Ebay for more comparisons, but if you haven't paid for it you may want to wait a while.



Originally Posted by Hyacinth gnourtmat - there are several other J8Y- prefix bags with Made in US creeds, one's obviously fake (invalid year code) and one isn't even in my files but has the typical fake's damaged leather. The strap clips are also wrong.

Al the other J8Y- creeds have the correct made in Costa Rica creeds.

The Court Bag isn't genuine, sorry.

EDITED TO ADD - I just noticed you're the seller - you need to cancel this transaction and refund any payment you may have received.

thanks for your help! my mom is actually the seller... she had no idea it was a fake as she bought it from a second-hand store. she is shocked... she definitely cancelled the transaction or whatever its called.. I myself know nothing about selling on eBay :shrugs:

but thanks again for your help!

I'm glad your mom did the right thing. I hope she can take it back to the shop and get a refund.

A LOT of classic leather fakes are almost impossible to tell from real even for someone familiar with Coach. Usually it's the small details like the hardware or a wrong digit or code in a serial number that's the only clue.
 
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