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queenstumbleine said:
Hi Hyacinth,

Thanks-- I noticed that and emailed them. I just realized that if you double click the main photo (so it pops up), you can view the 5th detail photo much larger and make out the creed numbers. Is that clear enough to make out in your opinion?

EDIT: It looks like F06M-?0403
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I think you meant to address that to BeenBurned.

BTW, when replying to or adding more information to a previous post, please use the Reply With Quote button "QUOTE" so we know which post you're referring to. Thanks. :smile1:
 
#1,982
Hyacinth said:
Sorry, I'm familiar with that Guide, and although it sounds like the writer knows what s/he's talking about and I even thought it was accurate when I first read it, once I started comparing creeds, dates and catalogs I realized that it wasn't dependable. There is plenty of misinformation there especially regarding the timelines

For example:
"Coach ceased making bags in NYC in the mid 70's before there was such a thing as fakes or knock offs. NYC bags are vintage and rare."
Sorry, incorrect. According to Coach's histories, bags were still being made in New York City and still being stamped with the Made In NYC stamp until 1987 or 1988. A few years after Coach's 1985 purchase by Sara Lee the stamp was changed to Made in the United States when Coach opened its second plant in Miami in 1988, but until Coach was sold, its owners refused to move the plant out of New York City. I've confirmed this by checking and comparing production dates and when a bag was first shown in Coach's catalogs with the stampings on the creed, and from this company history:

http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/Coach-Inc-Company-History.html
"To keep up with growing demand for Coach products, the company doubled its workforce, leased additional space for factory operations, and expanded the work week to six days. Despite these measures, however, by the fall of 1987, Coach was again unable to meet all orders for its goods, and the company began to seek additional room for expansion... Coach solved its production problem by opening a plant near Miami, Florida, where its Lightweights collection was manufactured, in 1988..."

Coach also specifically states in its 1985 catalog that all its items are made in its factory (singular) in New York City. By 1989 all mention of the New York factory had been removed from the catalogs.


Another example:
"In the 1980's Coach changed the serial numbers to "all numbers" in the format xxxx-xxx. An example of this in the third photo in the ebelle guide. The last three numbers do not relate to the style number, again the serial #’s were apparently unique to each bag."

Again, I've compared Coach catalogs to determine when styles were originally introduced to those styles with the 4+3 serial number format compared to the original 3+4, and I've recently found bags with the earlier 3+4 numbers on bags from as late as 1991, confirmed by catalog dates.


Another:
"It was not until the 1990's that Coach introduced the modern registration format of letters and numbers, with the last four digits being the style number (or in the case of some of the newer bags after 2000, the last five digits). These registration numbers are not unique to each bag. The wording of the creed was also changed to all caps "THIS IS A COACH BAG. IT WAS HANDCRAFTED IN (country of origin) OF COMPLETELY NATURAL GLOVE-TANNED COWHIDE. THE VARIATIONS IN THE GRAIN ARE CHARACTERISTIC OF NATURAL FULL GRAIN LEATHER."

The change took place specifically in 1994, which is very easy to confirm - there are no bags with 1993 year codes. And although MOST plant creed stamps were changed to show the country of manufacture in the second line of the creed, that's a process that took place through 1994 and INTO 1995. There should be no creeds dated 1996 or later with any "Made in ..." statement at the very bottom of the creed stamp.


While I'm sure the writer tried to do his or her best, there are too many problems with the dates not matching up. I wish it were possible to recommend that Guide, but I can't, sorry. But as inaccurate as the dates are, the Guide is still better than 90 percent of the rest of the Ebay and Internet Guides.
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Thank-you for being so specific with your thoughts. There really is a wealth of information out there and it will definitely take some time to be able to absorb it all ;-) I have saved this page as a reference for when I'm on the hunt! ;-D
 
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#1,984
ladyash said:
ITEM: LOT of 2 COACH ACCESSORIES Signature LOGO PURSE Blk Leather WALLET Tote Handbag
ITEM NUMBER: 360393266426
SELLER: barkmarket42
LINK: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/LOT-2-COACH-...426?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item53e91cd4fa
COMMENTS: erm the bag is fake and haven't a clue about the coin purse...
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The purse is definitely fake - anything with that tacky lining ALWAYS is - and I've never seen the coin purse before but Coach would never put their logo stamp in that position.
 
#1,985
Hyacinth said:
The purse is definitely fake - anything with that tacky lining ALWAYS is - and I've never seen the coin purse before but Coach would never put their logo stamp in that position.
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Thanks :) I had already reported it for the fake bag in the auction but didn't mention the coin purse in my write up in case it was actually vintage and something I had never seen before LOL
 
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Item: Coach 65th Anniversary Whiskey Legacy Shoulder Bag Brown No. F063-10328
Listing number: 230670411300
Seller: goodwill_industries_of_san_francisco
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-65th-...300?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item35b5072624
Comments: This bag is one I wanted when it came out but could not afford, if you ladies feel this is authentic (looks ok to me but it's in rough shape) do you think it is salvageable?
 
#1,988
jjmckillip said:
I purchased this and would like your opinion. I have learned a big lesson on bidding - but I purchased many before I knew, so I need to OK them before I sell them:)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/250853221330?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jjmckillip/6134616719/in/photostream

and

http://www.ebay.com/itm/160640821469?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jjmckillip/6135174122/in/photostream

THanks!
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First one -We need a readable photo of the creed to authenticate.

Second -seems to be ok but I don't know the name.
 
#1,989
DorothyParker said:
Could someone please authenticate ;-)

Coach Bucket Bag 5013
260847468412
Yuliab2006
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/260847468412?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_1293wt_907

I thought the Duffel Bucket # was 9085
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Please read my posts at Ebay on serial numbers. My Guides and the one you asked about earlier both mention when Coach started adding the style number to the serial number.
http://reviews.ebay.com/Coach-Serial-Numbers-the-Basic-Facts_W0QQugidZ10000000034886433

http://reviews.ebay.com/Coach-Serial-Numbers-the-Basic-Facts_W0QQugidZ10000000034886433

"...Any serial number from before 1994 that’s all numbers does NOT include the style number and can’t be used to identify or authenticate the bag. It doesn’t mean that a bag is fake if the last three or four digits don’t seem to belong to the right style - they’re not supposed to... "
 
#1,990
darkangeldaria said:
Item: Coach 65th Anniversary Whiskey Legacy Shoulder Bag Brown No. F063-10328
Listing number: 230670411300
Seller: goodwill_industries_of_san_francisco
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-65th-...300?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item35b5072624
Comments: This bag is one I wanted when it came out but could not afford, if you ladies feel this is authentic (looks ok to me but it's in rough shape) do you think it is salvageable?
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It looks genuine to me but someone else will have to give opinions on salvage-ability. The verdigris on the brass O-rings could be a problem.
 
#1,992
jjmckillip said:
I purchased this and would like your opinion. I have learned a big lesson on bidding - but I purchased many before I knew, so I need to OK them before I sell them:)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/250853221330?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jjmckillip/6134616719/in/photostream

and

http://www.ebay.com/itm/160640821469?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jjmckillip/6135174122/in/photostream

THanks!
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Hyacinth said:
First one -We need a readable photo of the creed to authenticate.

Second -seems to be ok but I don't know the name.
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Both are fine. I can read the creed (style 9499) in the flicker album.
darkangeldaria said:
Item: Coach 65th Anniversary Whiskey Legacy Shoulder Bag Brown No. F063-10328
Listing number: 230670411300
Seller: goodwill_industries_of_san_francisco
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-65th-...300?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item35b5072624
Comments: This bag is one I wanted when it came out but could not afford, if you ladies feel this is authentic (looks ok to me but it's in rough shape) do you think it is salvageable?
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It's authentic but boy, someone wasn't very nice to that bag!
 
#1,993
Hyacinth said:
I think you meant to address that to BeenBurned.

BTW, when replying to or adding more information to a previous post, please use the Reply With Quote button "QUOTE" so we know which post you're referring to. Thanks. :smile1:
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Oh, yes, you're right. But thank you too, Hyacinth. I keep forgetting to hit the quote button. I always notice after (and can't delete posts). I will work on that.
 
#1,994
Hyacinth said:
Please read my posts at Ebay on serial numbers. My Guides and the one you asked about earlier both mention when Coach started adding the style number to the serial number.
http://reviews.ebay.com/Coach-Serial-Numbers-the-Basic-Facts_W0QQugidZ10000000034886433

http://reviews.ebay.com/Coach-Serial-Numbers-the-Basic-Facts_W0QQugidZ10000000034886433

"...Any serial number from before 1994 that’s all numbers does NOT include the style number and can’t be used to identify or authenticate the bag. It doesn’t mean that a bag is fake if the last three or four digits don’t seem to belong to the right style - they’re not supposed to... "
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Yes I will definitely do that when I have the opportunity to read everything very carefully (hubs has been wanting to start a movie for the last half hour) The seller told me that her mother had purchased it in the late 90's and it's been sitting in a closet ever since. I do remember going over something about a time frame where the last 4 digits did not reflect the style number but I thought that applied to much older bags. Also I thought perhaps because the patch is a little off and not completely within the border it might not look right. I was also wondering if you could tell me about the registration stamp underneath the patch ;-)
 
#1,995
Originally Posted by darkangeldaria Item: Coach 65th Anniversary Whiskey Legacy Shoulder Bag Brown No. F063-10328
Listing number: 230670411300
Seller: goodwill_industries_of_san_francisco
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-65th-A...item35b5072624
Comments: This bag is one I wanted when it came out but could not afford, if you ladies feel this is authentic (looks ok to me but it's in rough shape) do you think it is salvageable?

BeenBurned said:
Both are fine. I can read the creed (style 9499) in the flicker album.

It's authentic but boy, someone wasn't very nice to that bag!
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Must be that SF fog that's turning the brass green.
 
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