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#15,196
lov said:
the seller sent me like 8 more pictures.
I am thrilled to report that I further inquired with another company that is quite informed about older style coach bags and this is what they said:


The 9988 is from the Legacy Line of COACH. It was called a Saddle or Hippie Bag. Produced in British Tan, Black, Brown and Blue. This bag was produced in 3 (plants) A, M and B. It has a strap that has 2 adjustable belt buckle attachments that allow for lengthening or shortening the Strap. ALL hardware should be of the same COLOR!

Hope that helps a little. Sounds like yours is NOT Fake.


Thanks Ladies!!
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I'm curious to know who the company is?

That style wasn't called a Hippie Bag, just a Saddle Bag, at least if we're talking about what Coach called them. It was also available in several more colors not listed in the reply including red and mahogany.

The problem with the serial number is that the A plant designation never appears on ANY bags from the 1990s. And since all mention of that plant (the original Coach plant in NYC) disappears in the mid 1980s or a bit earlier when the plant was closed it would be very hard for a bag that wasn't even made until 1996 or 97 to have been made there. The original style called a Crescent Bag from the 70s and 80s would have been made in the A plant, but NOT the late 1990s Saddle Bag.

Also whoever is giving you the information is also missing at least one plant since there's one with a "P" code listed on Ebay. And Coach never refers to the Saddle Bag as a Legacy OR a Hippie or lists it as such in any of their catalogs.

Whoever you contacted is missing some information, and seems to be a bit confused about Coach's timeline and maybe not too careful about where the rest of their information is coming from. Who did you contact?

(BTW, anyone who can say a bag is authentic just from a description and without photos isn't someone I'd trust with authenticating anything I was thinking of buying.)
 
#15,197
BeenBurned said:
As for seller #1, I've watched ss262809 for over a year and she has sold hundreds of hangtags. As Hyacinth pointed out, even if they're authentic, they were obtained either illegally or immorally. Personally, I wouldn't do business with her.

I'm not familiar with charm #2 either but I have a comment regarding the seller, tinybubbbles.

Perhaps Hyacinth or DemRam can take a peek at this listing. I'm not sure of authenticity of the bag but the hangtag appears to be fake and I believe the tag indicating style 9826 is the incorrect style number for this bag:
http://cgi.ebay.com/NWT-COACH-Mini-...250?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item45fa879642

And here's another bag with a fake hangtag:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Coach-Brown-Lea...070?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item45fa63f85e

I don't believe that the snaphead charm on this bag is authentic either.
http://cgi.ebay.com/COACH-Black-Lea...380?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item43a6cc95cc

And another bag with a fake hangtag.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Authentic-COACH...249?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item43a6c34679

Based on these listings, I highly doubt the authenticity of any hangtag from tinybubbbles and I would not do business with her.
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1- The hangtag on the mini belt bag is DEFINITELY fake, the font isn't even close to Coach's.

2- Fake hangtag

3- The snaphead is fake, the color is wrong and that bag should have a leather hangtag

4- Fake hangtag - wrong shape Cs

I agree - not the kind of place I'd want to buy a hangtag from.
 
#15,198
snarla said:
Item: New Coach Script Gold metal charm hangtag/key fob
Listing Number: 160537134941
Seller: ss262809
Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Coach-Script-Gold-metal-Charm-Hangtag-Key-FOB-/160537134941

OR

Item: Coach Brass Script Hangtag Tag Charm Keyring New
Listing Number: 290563183174
Seller: tinybubbbles
Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/COACH-Brass-Scr...174?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43a6ea5246

Comments: There is a difference in the script and I would like to know which is authentic, if any. Thanks so much.
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Hyacinth said:
Neither of them was actually made by Coach in that configuration. The first seller apparently takes charms off bags and resells them (which reduces the value of the bag), or gets free replacement charms from Coach and sells them at a profit. I don't condone either practice and wouldn't buy from a seller who does either one, whether or not she claims to be a tPF member.

The script on the second one doesn't look familiar. Other opinions would help.
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I agree with Hyacinth on the first seller.

The charm from the second seller is fake. The second seller has sold a bunch of these fakes, including other fake heart charms and medallion charms.
http://completed.shop.ebay.com/tiny...ete=1&_ipg=50&_since=15&_sop=10&_rdc=1&_rdc=2
Ebay is full of these fakes.

I agree with BB and Hyacinth. I would not buy from tinybubbbles .
 
#15,199
Ill pm you the info tomorrow, im going to go to bed now.


Hyacinth said:
I'm curious to know who the company is?

That style wasn't called a Hippie Bag, just a Saddle Bag, at least if we're talking about what Coach called them. It was also available in several more colors not listed in the reply including red and mahogany.

The problem with the serial number is that the A plant designation never appears on ANY bags from the 1990s. And since all mention of that plant (the original Coach plant in NYC) disappears in the mid 1980s or a bit earlier when the plant was closed it would be very hard for a bag that wasn't even made until 1996 or 97 to have been made there. The original style called a Crescent Bag from the 70s and 80s would have been made in the A plant, but NOT the late 1990s Saddle Bag.

Also whoever is giving you the information is also missing at least one plant since there's one with a "P" code listed on Ebay. And Coach never refers to the Saddle Bag as a Legacy OR a Hippie or lists it as such in any of their catalogs.

Whoever you contacted is missing some information, and seems to be a bit confused about Coach's timeline and maybe not too careful about where the rest of their information is coming from. Who did you contact?

(BTW, anyone who can say a bag is authentic just from a description and without photos isn't someone I'd trust with authenticating anything I was thinking of buying.)
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#15,202
lov said:
I just bought this. Unfortunately I bought it before having it authenticated.
These are the pictures from the seller.
Is this authentic? Its supposed to be a vintage legacy saddle bag 9988
TIA!






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Hyacinth said:
If you accept the common Purse Forum definition of "vintage", it's technically not.

One thing I'm wondering about, DemRam - do you know when the A plant in NYC was officially closed down? I've never seen a bag even from as early as 1996 with an "A" plant code. According to MrHarley's guide the New York A plant was closed in the 1970s but recently we've seen several sample bags that are still apparently made by a skeleton staff in New York or at least in the US.
http://reviews.ebay.com/Authentic-v...Coach-Creed-Serial_W0QQugidZ10000000011701556

The Saddle Bag was officially introduced in the Spring 1997 catalog, so it's possible it's a pre-production model that was made in NYC as a sample or trial run. Otherwise that A code shouldn't appear in a 1996 bag. Without having more photos and a known genuine Saddle Bag to compare it to, it's a question mark.
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I wish I knew the answer to that question. The information that I've read is contradictory at best and probably flat out wrong.

From this, which makes no sense to me:

In the mid 1970s, production of handbags in New York City ended, and was moved to elsewhere in the United States.

To this, which sounds more plausible:

By the early 1980s, the Coach plant occupied four floors of a building on West 34th Street.

I thought the prefix on that "Saddle" bag looked like "FSA", which would be an easy call.

Somebody please let me know who the company is that can identify a bag as authentic by the letters/numbers on the creed.

:smile1:
 
#15,203
Item: COACH STRAW BASKET TOTE BAG NATURAL/GRASS
Listing number: 180664790159
Seller: magaret25
Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/COACH-STRAW-BASKET-TOTE-BAG-NATURAL-GRASS-10728-/180664790159
Comments: Hi! You're help would be great! I only became a Coach fan in 2009, but according the creed tag this is a bag from 2006, I believe. Which means I wasn't exactly looking around for awesome Coach bags at that time. And since I've never seen one quite like it before, I really could use an opinion. :] Thank youuuu.
 
#15,208
lenabeana said:
Item: COACH STRAW BASKET TOTE BAG NATURAL/GRASS
Listing number: 180664790159
Seller: magaret25
Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/COACH-STRAW-BASKET-TOTE-BAG-NATURAL-GRASS-10728-/180664790159
Comments: Hi! You're help would be great! I only became a Coach fan in 2009, but according the creed tag this is a bag from 2006, I believe. Which means I wasn't exactly looking around for awesome Coach bags at that time. And since I've never seen one quite like it before, I really could use an opinion. :] Thank youuuu.
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#15,209
Originally Posted by lov I just bought this. Unfortunately I bought it before having it authenticated.
These are the pictures from the seller.
Is this authentic? Its supposed to be a vintage legacy saddle bag 9988
TIA!
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/8403/hippie1.jpg

http://img807.imageshack.us/img807/8643/hippie2.jpg

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/5620/hippie3.jpg

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/2892/hippie4.jpg



Originally Posted by Hyacinth If you accept the common Purse Forum definition of "vintage", it's technically not.

One thing I'm wondering about, DemRam - do you know when the A plant in NYC was officially closed down? I've never seen a bag even from as early as 1996 with an "A" plant code. According to MrHarley's guide the New York A plant was closed in the 1970s but recently we've seen several sample bags that are still apparently made by a skeleton staff in New York or at least in the US.
http://reviews.ebay.com/Authentic-vs...00000011701556

The Saddle Bag was officially introduced in the Spring 1997 catalog, so it's possible it's a pre-production model that was made in NYC as a sample or trial run. Otherwise that A code shouldn't appear in a 1996 bag. Without having more photos and a known genuine Saddle Bag to compare it to, it's a question mark.

DemRam said:
I wish I knew the answer to that question. The information that I've read is contradictory at best and probably flat out wrong.

From this, which makes no sense to me:

In the mid 1970s, production of handbags in New York City ended, and was moved to elsewhere in the United States.

To this, which sounds more plausible:

By the early 1980s, the Coach plant occupied four floors of a building on West 34th Street.

I thought the prefix on that "Saddle" bag looked like "FSA", which would be an easy call.

Somebody please let me know who the company is that can identify a bag as authentic by the letters/numbers on the creed.

:smile1:
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Thanks, DemRam, that's what I thought too. And the information in MrHarley's guide contradicts itself.

That's a shame too, I thought he might actually be someone who had an accurate record of the creed and plant information for vintage bags but it seems we have to keep looking. Not only did we look at a Made In NYC Skinny Flight Bag that doesn't appear in Coach's catalogs until 1985 (possibly 1984, I don't have a catalog for that year) but I owned the same style bag (bought on FleaBay so its birthday isn't known) and it also had a Made In NYC creed. So NYC seems to still have been making bags at least until around 1985.

"Somebody please let me know who the company is that can identify a bag as authentic by the letters/numbers on the creed."

Hey, the employees of Coach do it all the time. And 95 percent of the time they're completely wrong. :noggin:

If you happen to have a Saddle Bag, can you take a look at LOV's photos when you have time? Thanks again!
 
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