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Originally Posted by Hyacinth If you accept the common Purse Forum definition of "vintage", it's technically not.

One thing I'm wondering about, DemRam - do you know when the A plant in NYC was officially closed down? I've never seen a bag even from as early as 1996 with an "A" plant code. According to MrHarley's guide the New York A plant was closed in the 1970s but recently we've seen several sample bags that are still apparently made by a skeleton staff in New York or at least in the US.
http://reviews.ebay.com/Authentic-vs...00000011701556

The Saddle Bag was officially introduced in the Spring 1997 catalog, so it's possible it's a pre-production model that was made in NYC as a sample or trial run. Otherwise that A code shouldn't appear in a 1996 bag. Without having more photos and a known genuine Saddle Bag to compare it to, it's a question mark.



There's really no way to tell if they're the same bag without more photos.

Older Coach bags were surprisingly easy to fake and often discrepancies in the creed may be the only warning signs. The one you bought has a discrepancy and it's really hard to say if it's genuine because there's a code in the creed that based on Coach's history or at least what little we know of it, shouldn't be there. I can think of one possible scenario where that code may have been used but it's pretty remote. But of course there's always the possibility that someone just made a mistake.

Sometimes we just can't be sure.
 
The style didn't come out until the mid-80s and the bag's definitely genuine. There's no public records of Coach's plants' histories so I have to go by what's on the creed.

Thanks for the information. I found myself a new pastime...bumming around thrift stores and antique shops. I have learned so much from you. I appreciate all the help you offer us. :smile1: You make it possible for all of us to enjoy vintage shopping with confidence. Thank you!
 
Once i get it and actually have it in my hands, is there any other way to know if its fake? Any other thing to check other than the creed?



Originally Posted by Hyacinth If you accept the common Purse Forum definition of "vintage", it's technically not.

One thing I'm wondering about, DemRam - do you know when the A plant in NYC was officially closed down? I've never seen a bag even from as early as 1996 with an "A" plant code. According to MrHarley's guide the New York A plant was closed in the 1970s but recently we've seen several sample bags that are still apparently made by a skeleton staff in New York or at least in the US.
http://reviews.ebay.com/Authentic-vs...00000011701556

The Saddle Bag was officially introduced in the Spring 1997 catalog, so it's possible it's a pre-production model that was made in NYC as a sample or trial run. Otherwise that A code shouldn't appear in a 1996 bag. Without having more photos and a known genuine Saddle Bag to compare it to, it's a question mark.



There's really no way to tell if they're the same bag without more photos.

Older Coach bags were surprisingly easy to fake and often discrepancies in the creed may be the only warning signs. The one you bought has a discrepancy and it's really hard to say if it's genuine because there's a code in the creed that based on Coach's history or at least what little we know of it, shouldn't be there. I can think of one possible scenario where that code may have been used but it's pretty remote. But of course there's always the possibility that someone just made a mistake.

Sometimes we just can't be sure.
 
Hi guys! Just dropping by to let you know that I'm still around. Wow, it's been awhile! I've been on a sort of hiatus for some time. I do miss being on here and I hope to start catching up soon.

It's good to see the regulars still on here.

Hyacinth - Thanks for the welcome back you posted quite awhile ago the last time I was on. I'm sorry I didn't stick around. But I wanted to let you know that I did see your post and thank you for thinking of me!

BB - Thanks for your PMs - you may have something to do with me coming back on here! :D

I have A LOT to catch up on, but hopefully with things winding down in my "other" life, I'll have more time now. :smile1:
Welcome back, if even only temporarily!

If I'd known my PMs would have made you come back sooner, you might have found a ton more spam in your inbox!

Take your time and return when you're ready. It's good to "see" you!
 
the seller sent me like 8 more pictures.
I am thrilled to report that I further inquired with another company that is quite informed about older style coach bags and this is what they said:


The 9988 is from the Legacy Line of COACH. It was called a Saddle or Hippie Bag. Produced in British Tan, Black, Brown and Blue. This bag was produced in 3 (plants) A, M and B. It has a strap that has 2 adjustable belt buckle attachments that allow for lengthening or shortening the Strap. ALL hardware should be of the same COLOR!

Hope that helps a little. Sounds like yours is NOT Fake.



Thanks Ladies!!
 
Item: New Coach Script Gold metal charm hangtag/key fob
Listing Number: 160537134941
Seller: ss262809
Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Coach-Script-Gold-metal-Charm-Hangtag-Key-FOB-/160537134941

OR

Item: Coach Brass Script Hangtag Tag Charm Keyring New
Listing Number: 290563183174
Seller: tinybubbbles
Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/COACH-Brass-Scr...174?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43a6ea5246

Comments: There is a difference in the script and I would like to know which is authentic, if any. Thanks so much.



 
Item: New Coach Script Gold metal charm hangtag/key fob
Listing Number: 160537134941
Seller: ss262809
Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Coach-Script-Gold-metal-Charm-Hangtag-Key-FOB-/160537134941

OR

Item: Coach Brass Script Hangtag Tag Charm Keyring New
Listing Number: 290563183174
Seller: tinybubbbles
Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/COACH-Brass-Scr...174?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43a6ea5246

Comments: There is a difference in the script and I would like to know which is authentic, if any. Thanks so much.



Neither of them was actually made by Coach in that configuration. The first seller apparently takes charms off bags and resells them (which reduces the value of the bag), or gets free replacement charms from Coach and sells them at a profit. I don't condone either practice and wouldn't buy from a seller who does either one, whether or not she claims to be a tPF member.

The script on the second one doesn't look familiar. Other opinions would help.
 
Item: New Coach Script Gold metal charm hangtag/key fob
Listing Number: 160537134941
Seller: ss262809
Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Coach-Script-Gold-metal-Charm-Hangtag-Key-FOB-/160537134941

OR

Item: Coach Brass Script Hangtag Tag Charm Keyring New
Listing Number: 290563183174
Seller: tinybubbbles
Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/COACH-Brass-Scr...174?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43a6ea5246

Comments: There is a difference in the script and I would like to know which is authentic, if any. Thanks so much.



Neither of them was actually made by Coach in that configuration. The first seller apparently takes charms off bags and resells them (which reduces the value of the bag), or gets free replacement charms from Coach and sells them at a profit. I don't condone either practice and wouldn't buy from a seller who does either one, whether or not she claims to be a tPF member.

The script on the second one doesn't look familiar. Other opinions would help.

As for seller #1, I've watched ss262809 for over a year and she has sold hundreds of hangtags. As Hyacinth pointed out, even if they're authentic, they were obtained either illegally or immorally. Personally, I wouldn't do business with her.

I'm not familiar with charm #2 either but I have a comment regarding the seller, tinybubbbles.

Perhaps Hyacinth or DemRam can take a peek at this listing. I'm not sure of authenticity of the bag but the hangtag appears to be fake and I believe the tag indicating style 9826 is the incorrect style number for this bag:
http://cgi.ebay.com/NWT-COACH-Mini-...250?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item45fa879642

And here's another bag with a fake hangtag:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Coach-Brown-Lea...070?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item45fa63f85e

I don't believe that the snaphead charm on this bag is authentic either.
http://cgi.ebay.com/COACH-Black-Lea...380?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item43a6cc95cc

And another bag with a fake hangtag.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Authentic-COACH...249?pt=US_CSA_WH_Handbags&hash=item43a6c34679

Based on these listings, I highly doubt the authenticity of any hangtag from tinybubbbles and I would not do business with her.
 
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