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Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.
  • Front of item
  • Back of item
  • Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
  • Made in tags (when available)
  • Measurements
  • For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
  • For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
  • If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.
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#1,442
whateve said:
I don't think the "o" is too big. The creeds we have been talking about were all dated after 1994. This is a pre 1994 creed with a unique serial number. It matches other creeds I have in my files from the early 90s. It is not unusual for a zipper to not have any markings.

It looks like the spectator version of this bag: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Soft-and-Sw...653?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5649dba825

It was called a slim zip bag.

As an aside, did you read this seller's description? She says "[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I am not authoried (sic) to authenticate any item and am expressly forbidden to do so by law."

Is there a law against authenticating? :wtf:
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Thank you again for all the info. I guess I missed the part of the "o" comments, that there were in relation to bags made after 1994. I will add this to my notes.

About this seller disclaimer, couldn't it be taken as one of the Ebay no no policies, the disclaimer about not able to say if real or not on the listings?
I am not aware of any against the law to authenticate, if it was then we would be living in a fakes swamp!
 
#1,443
whateve said:
Officially the NYC plant stopped production in 1994 when the new plant codes were introduced. We've seen several authentic bags with the A code up through at least 1998. They may have used the A designation when bags were produced there for training purposes, and possibly for pilot bags. The bag in the listing looks fine. I noticed that the zipper pull is longer than others I've seen but we've seen variations in styles made in the different plants.
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Thanks whateve. I've seen them up to 1994 so good to know.
 
#1,444
mrk2014 said:
Thank you again for all the info. I guess I missed the part of the "o" comments, that there were in relation to bags made after 1994. I will add this to my notes.

About this seller disclaimer, couldn't it be taken as one of the Ebay no no policies, the disclaimer about not able to say if real or not on the listings?
I am not aware of any against the law to authenticate, if it was then we would be living in a fakes swamp!
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The seller's disclaimer makes no sense at all with regards to ebay - it is against ebay policy to sell something that you don't know is authentic. If you have doubts, you are supposed to get it authenticated before listing it. It sounds like the seller is implying that her bags could be fake because she isn't allowed to authenticate.

I wouldn't be surprised if California made it a crime to authenticate without getting a license. You need a license to do anything in California! I doubt that would be true in Texas, where the seller is located.
Two.time.bags said:
Thanks whateve. I've seen them up to 1994 so good to know.
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You're welcome!
 
#1,446
whateve said:
If you do a search on this thread for GutsyGirls, you'll find quite a lot of information about this seller, who is definitely not a favorite around here! Surprisingly for this seller, this bag is authentic but it has been altered. Someone added a zipper, not Coach.
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And GutsyGirls never disappoints - if you're looking for fakes or for a fakes seller to report. Not that Etsy seems to care.

https://www.etsy.com/shop/GutsyGirls?section_id=13418423&ref=shopsection_leftnav_1

Here's a fake Bleecker tote, J6D- serial prefix but this style, in fact the entire Bleecker line, wasn't even introduced until around December 1998:
https://www.etsy.com/listing/219837...eather-bagtan-bleaker?ref=shop_home_active_16

and a fake Soho, maybe a Fletcher ripoff, with an E plant code and a USA creed stamp, an N month code, AND A 9951 STYLE NUMBER that belongs only to a Patricia's Legacy:
https://www.etsy.com/listing/219754...re-1980svintage-coach?ref=shop_home_active_17

That bag's listing has the same serial number and at least one of the same photos as this one, which IS a copy of a Patricia's Legacy but still has the invalid E plant code and the same N8E-9951 serial number that the previous one does.
https://www.etsy.com/listing/219751...-bag-patricias-legacy?ref=shop_home_active_19
She also has THREE active listings for the same bag using the same photos with the fake serial number.

and that's only the first few pages and just based on me opening 8 or 10 listings of frequently-faked styles!

And of course we won't even mention all her "Bonnie Cashin" bags, most of which weren't even made until 10 to 25 years AFTER Cashin parted ways with Coach.

Yep, when you can't find any other fakes to report (I wish!) GutsyGirls always comes through. Like her listsings say,
"Always here to surpass your expectations!"
:graucho:
 
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#1,452
whateve said:
They didn't actually say it was Coach. They said "Coach designer Bonnie Cashin." Bonnie Cashin was the first designer for Coach but she was never an employee. She was an independent contractor who also made bags for other brands. We've seen some of the early Coach bags that she designed with only a Bonnie Cashin label. We don't know if there was originally a Coach label or a Coach box, or if one of the ways they enticed her was to give her "top billing." I don't think Coach was involved in the production of this particular bag.
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Ah, right you are! I didn't catch that. Thanks!
 
#1,454
Hyacinth said:
And GutsyGirls never disappoints - if you're looking for fakes or for a fakes seller to report. Not that Etsy seems to care.

https://www.etsy.com/shop/GutsyGirls?section_id=13418423&ref=shopsection_leftnav_1

Here's a fake Bleecker tote, J6D- serial prefix but this style, in fact the entire Bleecker line, wasn't even introduced until around December 1998:
https://www.etsy.com/listing/219837...eather-bagtan-bleaker?ref=shop_home_active_16

and a fake Soho, maybe a Fletcher ripoff, with an E plant code and a USA creed stamp, an N month code, AND A 9951 STYLE NUMBER that belongs only to a Patricia's Legacy:
https://www.etsy.com/listing/219754...re-1980svintage-coach?ref=shop_home_active_17

That bag's listing has the same serial number and at least one of the same photos as this one, which IS a copy of a Patricia's Legacy but still has the invalid E plant code and the same N8E-9951 serial number that the previous one does.
https://www.etsy.com/listing/219751...-bag-patricias-legacy?ref=shop_home_active_19
She also has THREE active listings for the same bag using the same photos with the fake serial number.

and that's only the first few pages and just based on me opening 8 or 10 listings of frequently-faked styles!

And of course we won't even mention all her "Bonnie Cashin" bags, most of which weren't even made until 10 to 25 years AFTER Cashin parted ways with Coach.

Yep, when you can't find any other fakes to report (I wish!) GutsyGirls always comes through. Like her listsings say,
"Always here to surpass your expectations!"
:graucho:
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Thanks Hyacinth and Whateve. I'm glad I checked here before I bought this. I would love to have a huge Soho 4082 bag with a zipper, but I don't want to have one altered (not by Coach). I also don't want to buy from a seller who sells fakes. Does anyone have suggestions for a huge zipper closure coach?
 
#1,455
robin0714 said:
Thanks Hyacinth and Whateve. I'm glad I checked here before I bought this. I would love to have a huge Soho 4082 bag with a zipper, but I don't want to have one altered (not by Coach). I also don't want to buy from a seller who sells fakes. Does anyone have suggestions for a huge zipper closure coach?
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You might like a Whitney (style number 4115.) I got one myself today--it's a good size, zips shut, has a flap to cover it and a pocket under the flap but behind the zippered portion.
 
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