Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

[Vlad]

IMPORTANT READ-ME

Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:

• Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
• Note that authenticators have the right to refuse any requests. This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
• FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
  Item:
  Listing number:
  Seller and site where listed
  Link:
  Comments:
  
  
• FOR ITEMS NOT LISTED ONLINE:
  Item:
  Where purchased or how obtained
  Comments:

BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.

• Front of item
• Back of item
• Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
• Made in tags (when available)
• Measurements
• For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
• For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
• If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.

Thank you and be safe!

 

[alansgail]

Hello ladies, adding the listing # this time.....:shame:

Item: Coach Hudson shopper tote
List #: 223192019
Seller: renee1victor3
Link: https://www.etsy.com/listing/223192019/huge-usa-400-coach-hudson-all-leather

TY!

 

[BeenBurned]

That one is DEFINITELY fake.

Thanks, Hyacinth. Off to report absolutelybetterpursedeals's listings for the fake Willis(es).

 

[JEN_]

Thank you, Whateve!

 

[whateve]

Good day experts! I would love some info on this bag please. I've asked for a close-up of the creed.

Item: Hudson shopper
List #: it's on etsy
Seller: reneelvictor3
Link: https://www.etsy.com/listing/223192019/huge-usa-400-coach-hudson-all-leather

Many thanks!

I can't authenticate without a readable creed. I think it could be a Lightweights Light Tote #4065. The leather should be pretty soft. It is part of the Soho collection that I recommended in your tote thread. It sold for $242 in 1993. I don't know why the seller calls it Hudson.

 

[whateve]

Hi everyone, I'm New here and need to get a keychain authenticated. How do I go about doing that?
Thanks

If it is viewable in an online listing, read post #1 here: http://forum.purseblog.com/showpost.php?p=27792584&postcount=1 to see what information we need.

If it is in your possession, you can post pictures of front and back. Help on posting pictures is here: http://forum.purseblog.com/feedback-dropbox/posting-photos-25.html

 

[Sonoma]

Hello Ladies

Please let me know if this is authentic:

Item: RARE Vintge. Coach 4933 Elderberry /wine/ Burgundy Nubuck Leather Bucket Bag
Listing number: 111801045780

Seller: nitavc
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/111801045780?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

Thanks as always!

 

[whateve]

Hello Ladies

Please let me know if this is authentic:

Item: RARE Vintge. Coach 4933 Elderberry /wine/ Burgundy Nubuck Leather Bucket Bag
Listing number: 111801045780

Seller: nitavc
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/111801045780?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

Thanks as always!

I see lots of problems! It was supposedly made in Italy but has a US plant code. The font doesn't match the font for either Italy or the B plant. The lining is wrong. The inside zipper pull is wrong. The pocket trim is the wrong shape.

 

[alansgail]

I can't authenticate without a readable creed. I think it could be a Lightweights Light Tote #4065. The leather should be pretty soft. It is part of the Soho collection that I recommended in your tote thread. It sold for $242 in 1993. I don't know why the seller calls it Hudson.

Thanks whateve, guess it's a mystery for now. Looks like it could be from the men's line?

 

[Hyacinth]

Hello Ladies

Please let me know if this is authentic:

Item: RARE Vintge. Coach 4933 Elderberry /wine/ Burgundy Nubuck Leather Bucket Bag
Listing number: 111801045780

Seller: nitavc
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/111801045780?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

Thanks as always!

I see lots of problems! It was supposedly made in Italy but has a US plant code. The font doesn't match the font for either Italy or the B plant. The lining is wrong. The inside zipper pull is wrong. The pocket trim is the wrong shape.

"DISTINTIVE texture" ??? - there's something I'm not "C"-ing there too.

 

[whateve]

Thanks whatev!

Thank you, Whateve!

You're welcome!

Thanks whateve, guess it's a mystery for now. Looks like it could be from the men's line?

I don't think it is a mystery. I believe it is the style I mentioned, which was made in the early 90s. I just can't say it is authentic without being able to read the creed. As far as I know, it wasn't marketed as a men's bag.

"DISTINTIVE texture" ??? - there's something I'm not "C"-ing there too.

lol!

 

[Sonoma]

Yikes! I was so thrilled to find an elderberry 4933 that I missed all of that.
I wondered about the "B" and the lining, but totally didn't catch the other problems.
(But I'd never buy before consulting with you guys first.)
I'll report this right away.

Thanks so much for the fast reply and your expertise, whateve & Hyacinth!

 

[Hyacinth]

Hello ladies, adding the listing # this time.....:shame:

Item: Coach Hudson shopper tote
List #: 223192019
Seller: renee1victor3
Link: https://www.etsy.com/listing/223192019/huge-usa-400-coach-hudson-all-leather

TY!

I can't authenticate without a readable creed. I think it could be a Lightweights Light Tote #4065. The leather should be pretty soft. It is part of the Soho collection that I recommended in your tote thread. It sold for $242 in 1993. I don't know why the seller calls it Hudson.

Noshoepolish had an interesting comment on that seller here:
http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-763164-184.html#post22964267

"She exagerates the costs in her titles to make it sound like the buyer is getting a deal. Some of the briefcase sellers dye their bags..."

Seller claims "RETAILS FOR $400.00 IF YOU CAN FIND IT", which is absolute BS, the Light Tote, style 4065, which it probably is, retailed for $242 in 1993, and for much less, $176, back in the late 1980s. It's definitely NOT from the Hudson line since all of the late 1990s Hudson bags were PEBBLED leather. And it's not a Hudson Drafting Tote since those were canvas. The Light Tote was definitely sold as a handbag, not as a Men's or Business item.


They've also been mentioned by others:
http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-694619-788.html#post22234720
http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-694619-789.html#post22235615
and
http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-763164-184.html#post22961173

http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-818914-240.html#post25108937

 

[missbaltimore]

Sorry, that's NOT the same snap as the one in Azuremerekat's photos. There are NO concentric circles at all in the photos of the small green coin purse. The flat surface of the "male" part is completely smooth except for the makers' stamps.

Maybe someone will recognise what kind of item the photos of the snap in theBargainPrincess' album came from, and how old it is.

And we still haven't seen close-up photos of the snap from YOUR wallet, unless I missed it somewhere.

Yes Hyacinth quite right! Sorry for not adding these before. Here are close ups of both parts of the snap. And I realize that small leather goods are often not documented in the catalogues. By searching for photos of matching snaps I was merely trying to create a reference whereby this wallet remains in the realm of maybe.

 

[alansgail]

Noshoepolish had an interesting comment on that seller here:
http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-763164-184.html#post22964267

"She exagerates the costs in her titles to make it sound like the buyer is getting a deal. Some of the briefcase sellers dye their bags..."

Seller claims "RETAILS FOR $400.00 IF YOU CAN FIND IT", which is absolute BS, the Light Tote, style 4065, which it probably is, retailed for $242 in 1993, and for much less, $176, back in the late 1980s. It's definitely NOT from the Hudson line since all of the late 1990s Hudson bags were PEBBLED leather. And it's not a Hudson Drafting Tote since those were canvas.


They've also been mentioned by others:
http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-694619-788.html#post22234720
http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-694619-789.html#post22235615
and
http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-763164-184.html#post22961173

http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-818914-240.html#post25108937

Thank you both whateve and Hyacinth! Sorry whateve, I misunderstood what you first said. This sellers FB is a bit questionable so I think I'll pass.........the price seems too high and if it weren't for you ladies I wouldn't have known that!

 

[Hyacinth]

Yes Hyacinth quite right! Sorry for not adding these before. Here are close ups of both parts of the snap. And I realize that small leather goods are often not documented in the catalogues. By searching for photos of matching snaps I was merely trying to create a reference whereby this wallet remains in the realm of maybe.

Thank you for the extra photos.

Whateve and I discussed it earlier - posts 10292,10308,10310 and a few others. There's nothing we can pin down as proof that the wallet was made by Coach, and it doesn't have any of the details either of us recognise from genuine Coach wallets from the 80's, 90s, or the "2000s", sorry. If it's earlier, neither of us have any records of anything similar.

I can't even consider it as a firm "maybe", just based on a snap that was used by both Coach and at least one other unknown wallet manufacturer. Snaps weren't made by Coach, they were bought from outside manufacturers. Just as with YKK zippers, Coach didn't have exclusive rights to any one zipper style or manufacturer and didn't use just one kind of snap, nor would they have expected a hardware maker to make an exclusive design just for them unless it had the Coach name or logo stamped into it.

Think about what we said about the layout of your wallet and how the flap especially is finished off on the inside. Then compare it to any other Coach wallet you own, or just look at Whateve's photos of her red wallet from the late 1990s. With very few exceptions, Coach always folded the leather from the outside of the wallet over the edges and stitched it down along the inside edge, and then "mitered" or pleated the corners on the inside. Coach AFAIK has also never stamped their name in the top right corner of the inside card and bill section of envelope flap wallets. And I know there are a small handful of exceptions, but not many Coaches, especially wallets, ever had any contrasting color topstitching along the edges. Whenever I see an item supposedly from the 80s or 90s with white topstitching, I guarantee I;m going to be looking it over with a magnifying glass. I've seen more fakes with that detail than genuine bags or wallets.

We have to look at ALL the details of the wallet, and in this case the non-Coach details outweigh a snap that was made possibly in the tens or hundreds of thousands by an outside independent manufacturer. Unless someone comes up with a catalog photo or an example that still has a price tag attached, I'd have to call it questionable..