Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

[Vlad]

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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.

• Front of item
• Back of item
• Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
• Made in tags (when available)
• Measurements
• For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
• For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
• If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.

Thank you and be safe!

 

[Hyacinth]

I got a reply to my second email and she said since the comparisons were from different plants, that would explain the difference in the creed.
But, since I mentioned the Purse Forum in my second email, she said she removed the bag from my cart because she highly respects their opinions.

I am going to try and find another B plant creed just to satisfy my curiosity. I know it needs to be same plant, same year to really compare.

Just wasn't comfortable going through with the purchase.

I can't match some small details in the serial font with ANY B-plant creed I have. The biggest problem is the "9", the bottom of it is shorter and noticeably more "curly" than any of the other photos in my files (I haven't checked recent listings yet so maybe I'm jumping the gun a bit). The serifs in the "N"s have small differences too. Normally I usually don't like comparing numbers between directly-stamped creeds (right onto the inside pocket) and the ones stamped onto a sewn-in creed patch but I'll post afew here anyway.

Here are 5 different B's, the first is the questionable one from GW. the second 2 are known fakes from bags with other problems besides just the font, and the last two are from creed patches with outlet marks - while outlet marks are never proof that something's genuine since they can be faked OR because a well-copied fake could have been returned to an outlet or FP store for a "refund", the details of the serial numbers in the last 2 makes me pretty sure that they're genuine.

ETA - Interesting too that the creed stamp itself in the Questionable bag (except for the Coach cartouche at the top) is closest to the creed formatting and spacing in the third photo B7B-4157 which is from a fake Soho style with a "Solid Brass" stamp on the back of the buckle. Note the extra-large spaces after the words Coach and bag. That's the only B-plant creed I have photos of that has that same spacing.

 

[BeenBurned]

I am going to try and find another B plant creed just to satisfy my curiosity. I know it needs to be same plant, same year to really compare.

Just wasn't comfortable going through with the purchase.

I don't blame you for your discomfort. And although I'm glad she removed you from your obligation to purchase the fake bag, my more serious concern is whether she just relisted that bag or if she's REALLY done the right thing and removed that item completely, both from the online site as well as from their B&M store.

From what I've seen of Goodwill listings and stores, they list items they believe to be authentic and they sell fakes (or questionable items) in their stores, proudly stating that "we don't sell them as authentic."

And that's wrong!

 

[sealyham]

There are two of these bags on ebay right now , both with the exact same se rial number. This one has the clearest creed picture. Is it authentic? not quite vintage but I love the color and size. Sorry my android ebay app doesn't give me a URL

Coach Near Vintage Leather.....Small Geometric Clutch 9044
seller : fatcat_lobster
ebay # 321738572087

 

[Hyacinth]

There are two of these bags on ebay right now , both with the exact same se rial number. This one has the clearest creed picture. Is it authentic? not quite vintage but I love the color and size. Sorry my android ebay app doesn't give me a URL

Coach Near Vintage Leather.....Small Geometric Clutch 9044
seller : fatcat_lobster
ebay # 321738572087

I can ONLY comment on the one in the listing you posted, since having the same serial numbers doesn't mean that 2 bags with the same numbers both have to be genuine. The bag in listing number 321738572087 is authentic.

 

[Hyacinth]

I don't blame you for your discomfort. And although I'm glad she removed you from your obligation to purchase the fake bag, my more serious concern is whether she just relisted that bag or if she's REALLY done the right thing and removed that item completely, both from the online site as well as from their B&M store.

From what I've seen of Goodwill listings and stores, they list items they believe to be authentic and they sell fakes (or questionable items) in their stores, proudly stating that "we don't sell them as authentic."

And that's wrong!

That's true all too often, but a few GW stores at least make an effort to weed out the garbage. The Tacoma store seems to be one of those, even if the information isn't always exact. I hope they've been recommending us as an authentication source:
https://ourgoodwillstore.wordpress.com/2011/07/07/how-to-authenticate-coach-bags/

 

[whateve]

I got a reply to my second email and she said since the comparisons were from different plants, that would explain the difference in the creed.
But, since I mentioned the Purse Forum in my second email, she said she removed the bag from my cart because she highly respects their opinions.

I am going to try and find another B plant creed just to satisfy my curiosity. I know it needs to be same plant, same year to really compare.

Just wasn't comfortable going through with the purchase.

I think you made the right decision. One thing I've noticed is that styles that were only made for a short period of time were almost always all made in the same plant. It doesn't make sense to set up more than one plant for production of something that you aren't going to make very much of. So the presence of a B factory code on a style we usually see made in the D plant might be another red flag.

 

[sealyham]

I can ONLY comment on the one in the listing you posted, since having the same serial numbers doesn't mean that 2 bags with the same numbers both have to be genuine. The bag in listing number 321738572087 is authentic.

Thanks, I didn't expect you to comment on the other bag. I just thought it was funny to have two of the same bag so alike, the other one still has the tag on it, at the same time. I thought maybe there was a fire sale at the counterfeit booth. I will see if the seller of the other bag can send me a clearer picture of the creed and then will post. Thanks again.

 

[whateve]

These look a lot like Littleton drawstrings, but those had creeds in the bottom and no Coach lozenge on the bottom.
NWOT Denim Blue COACH mini bag purse and NWOT Baby Blue COACH Bag purse mini
daddyswhat
201342521412 and 201342510713
http://www.ebay.com/itm/201342521412?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NWOT-Baby-B...713?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ee0f2e679

 

[rocknfire84]

Hi everyone, I'm trying to determine if this COACH bag is authentic

Item: COACH BLACK SIGNATURE TOTE
Listing number: 251265342644
Seller: jlwhough
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-BLACK...644?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a8094dcb4

Pictures:

 

[Hyacinth]

Hi everyone, I'm trying to determine if this COACH bag is authentic

Item: COACH BLACK SIGNATURE TOTE
Listing number: 251265342644
Seller: jlwhough
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-BLACK...644?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a8094dcb4

Pictures:

It's a genuine Signature Lunch Tote from 2001

 

[Hyacinth]

These look a lot like Littleton drawstrings, but those had creeds in the bottom and no Coach lozenge on the bottom.
NWOT Denim Blue COACH mini bag purse and NWOT Baby Blue COACH Bag purse mini
daddyswhat
201342521412 and 201342510713
http://www.ebay.com/itm/201342521412?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NWOT-Baby-B...713?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ee0f2e679

They don't look familiar to me at all, but I'll keep looking. The baby blue color worries me, there aren't many years when Coach used that color but it shows up on fakes quite a bit.

Do you remember what the style number was on the Littleton Drawstring? I can't find it using just the name but it sounds familiar.

 

[whateve]

They don't look familiar to me at all, but I'll keep looking. The baby blue color worries me, there aren't many years when Coach used that color but it shows up on fakes quite a bit.

Do you remember what the style number was on the Littleton Drawstring? I can't find it using just the name but it sounds familiar.

Thanks. Littleton is #4144. Here's a listing with good pictures: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Coach-No-41...agYBV0DGWq5qhnwuc%2F0%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

 

[Two.time.bags]

These look a lot like Littleton drawstrings, but those had creeds in the bottom and no Coach lozenge on the bottom.
NWOT Denim Blue COACH mini bag purse and NWOT Baby Blue COACH Bag purse mini
daddyswhat
201342521412 and 201342510713
http://www.ebay.com/itm/201342521412?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NWOT-Baby-B...713?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ee0f2e679

I know it's not conclusive, but don't the hang tags of both look like the holes are punched too low which is common in fake hang tags?

 

[maramd]

I think you made the right decision. One thing I've noticed is that styles that were only made for a short period of time were almost always all made in the same plant. It doesn't make sense to set up more than one plant for production of something that you aren't going to make very much of. So the presence of a B factory code on a style we usually see made in the D plant might be another red flag.

That might explain why I could only find D plant creeds!

 

[maramd]

I can't match some small details in the serial font with ANY B-plant creed I have. The biggest problem is the "9", the bottom of it is shorter and noticeably more "curly" than any of the other photos in my files (I haven't checked recent listings yet so maybe I'm jumping the gun a bit). The serifs in the "N"s have small differences too. Normally I usually don't like comparing numbers between directly-stamped creeds (right onto the inside pocket) and the ones stamped onto a sewn-in creed patch but I'll post afew here anyway.

Here are 5 different B's, the first is the questionable one from GW. the second 2 are known fakes from bags with other problems besides just the font, and the last two are from creed patches with outlet marks - while outlet marks are never proof that something's genuine since they can be faked OR because a well-copied fake could have been returned to an outlet or FP store for a "refund", the details of the serial numbers in the last 2 makes me pretty sure that they're genuine.

ETA - Interesting too that the creed stamp itself in the Questionable bag (except for the Coach cartouche at the top) is closest to the creed formatting and spacing in the third photo B7B-4157 which is from a fake Soho style with a "Solid Brass" stamp on the back of the buckle. Note the extra-large spaces after the words Coach and bag. That's the only B-plant creed I have photos of that has that same spacing.

Wow! Thanks Hyacinth.