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whateve said:
Q is a valid plant code for China starting in 2003. It wasn't in operation in 2001, and it wasn't ever used for the US. Many fakes have straps with silver grommets on bags with brass hardware. Yes, straps can be replaced but since we see it so often on fakes, it is significant. If that were the only thing wrong with the bag, we would still say it was authentic with a replacement strap. However, both the creed and the 'solid brass' stamped on the buckles further prove the bag is counterfeit. Additionally the inside pocket appears to be quite a bit smaller than the pocket of your authentic bag.
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Ahhh. Thank you. I'm starting to see. The A1Q was the first one I purchased. Less than ff lunch change. Got me hooked. And it's not even authentic.
 
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whateve said:
Q is a valid plant code for China starting in 2003. It wasn't in operation in 2001, and it wasn't ever used for the US. Many fakes have straps with silver grommets on bags with brass hardware. Yes, straps can be replaced but since we see it so often on fakes, it is significant. If that were the only thing wrong with the bag, we would still say it was authentic with a replacement strap. However, both the creed and the 'solid brass' stamped on the buckles further prove the bag is counterfeit. Additionally the inside pocket appears to be quite a bit smaller than the pocket of your authentic bag.
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So. Question? Bags specifically 90's with silver grommets. Bags with solid brass stamp are fake? Always?
 
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Please give me an opinion on this little belt bag.
I'm new to posting here, I read the rules but if I missed something I apologize.
 
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Razzzymom said:
View attachment 4010359 View attachment 4010349 View attachment 4010346 View attachment 4010347 View attachment 4010348 View attachment 4010349 View attachment 4010348 View attachment 4010348 Hello Purse forum Ladies, I went to sell this little bag locally, and the buyer declined because she could not find the creed listed. I could not find it either, it's a 3 digit number which I read came from 89/90.
Please give me an opinion on this little belt bag.
I'm new to posting here, I read the rules but if I missed something I apologize.
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It's authentic. Both you and your buyer don't know enough about vintage Coach. Coaches made before 1994 have unique serial numbers that don't mean anything. That is why you can't find anything about it. Whenever you see a serial number that has no letters in it, it is just a random unique identifier. None of the digits mean anything.
 
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MondaynManiac said:
So. Question? Bags specifically 90's with silver grommets. Bags with solid brass stamp are fake? Always?
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There are bags with a solid brass stamp that are authentic. Those bags would have been made in the 70s or early 80s and will have all numeric serial numbers and NYC creeds or no serial number and/or no creed. I don't think I've ever seen it on a 90s or later bag. If it was solid brass, you would know it. It would be very heavy.

Like I said before, if you see silver grommets on a strap and the bag has brass hardware, there is always the possibility the strap was replaced, but you should examine everything else about the bag because there is a good chance it is fake. Also, you shouldn't see any silver hardware on bags made before 1997 or so. The silver hardware they used then was nickel, which has a less shiny appearance than normal silver hardware.
 
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whateve said:
There are bags with a solid brass stamp that are authentic. Those bags would have been made in the 70s or early 80s and will have all numeric serial numbers and NYC creeds or no serial number and/or no creed. I don't think I've ever seen it on a 90s or later bag. If it was solid brass, you would know it. It would be very heavy.

Like I said before, if you see silver grommets on a strap and the bag has brass hardware, there is always the possibility the strap was replaced, but you should examine everything else about the bag because there is a good chance it is fake. Also, you shouldn't see any silver hardware on bags made before 1997 or so. The silver hardware they used then was nickel, which has a less shiny appearance than normal silver hardware.
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MondaynManiac said:
So. Question? Bags specifically 90's with silver grommets. Bags with solid brass stamp are fake? Always?
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I need to make a correction to your post especially for MondayManiac.

There was a small line of textured leather (similar to Dooney's All Weather Leather) bags from the very early 1990s called the Dakota line. They were spectator-style with caramel-color leather trim and almost identical to the Sheridan line that followed immediately afterwards. At least two styles of the larger Dakotas had buckles stamped SOLID BRASS. These Dakotas and Sheridans are often mistaken for fakes because all the Dakotas and some of the Sheridans don't have serial numbers stamped on the creeds, but that's a normal thing in those lines. All of the creeds have a unique description describing the bags' "specially treated leather" and the bags also have special zippers.
Any questions about bags like this should always be asked here first because those lines HAVE been faked especially by Korean counterfeiters as have the matching breifcases and wallets, so great care is needed when buying them.

Here are photos of one of the several Dakota styles with the SOLID BRASS stamp on the buckle - Dakota Cassidy from 1991-92.
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Hyacinth said:
I need to make a correction to your post especially for MondayManiac.

There was a small line of textured leather (similar to Dooney's All Weather Leather) bags from the very early 1990s called the Dakota line. They were spectator-style with caramel-color leather trim and almost identical to the Sheridan line that followed immediately afterwards. At least two styles of the larger Dakotas had buckles stamped SOLID BRASS. These Dakotas and Sheridans are often mistaken for fakes because all the Dakotas and some of the Sheridans don't have serial numbers stamped on the creeds, but that's a normal thing in those lines. All of the creeds have a unique description describing the bags' "specially treated leather" and the bags also have special zippers.
Any questions about bags like this should always be asked here first because those lines HAVE been faked especially by Korean counterfeiters as have the matching breifcases and wallets, so great care is needed when buying them...
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AND to add to the confusion and once again prove what we say about Coach - "The most consistent thing about Coach is their inconsistency" here's an example of a Soho Fletcher bag, apparently completely genuine, made in the Costa Rica plant in 2001 that actually seems to have a SOLID BRASS Soho-style buckle. It might have been a very old buckle that someone found in a drawer or storeroom but it seems to be 100 percent authentic.So far it's the only one we've ever spotted but who knows?

So ALWAYS ask before buying or reporting the oddballs!

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Hyacinth said:
I need to make a correction to your post especially for MondayManiac.

There was a small line of textured leather (similar to Dooney's All Weather Leather) bags from the very early 1990s called the Dakota line. They were spectator-style with caramel-color leather trim and almost identical to the Sheridan line that followed immediately afterwards. At least two styles of the larger Dakotas had buckles stamped SOLID BRASS. These Dakotas and Sheridans are often mistaken for fakes because all the Dakotas and some of the Sheridans don't have serial numbers stamped on the creeds, but that's a normal thing in those lines. All of the creeds have a unique description describing the bags' "specially treated leather" and the bags also have special zippers.
Any questions about bags like this should always be asked here first because those lines HAVE been faked especially by Korean counterfeiters as have the matching breifcases and wallets, so great care is needed when buying them.

Here are photos of one of the several Dakota styles with the SOLID BRASS stamp on the buckle - Dakota Cassidy from 1991-92.
Click on the thumbnails to enlarge:


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Thanks. I thought of the Dakotas but I couldn't find anything in the catalogs about solid brass. I couldn't remember if I had seen solid brass on mine.
 
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Hyacinth said:
AND to add to the confusion and once again prove what we say about Coach - "The most consistent thing about Coach is their inconsistency" here's an example of a Soho Fletcher bag, apparently completely genuine, made in the Costa Rica plant in 2001 that actually seems to have a SOLID BRASS Soho-style buckle. It might have been a very old buckle that someone found in a drawer or storeroom but it seems to be 100 percent authentic.So far it's the only one we've ever spotted but who knows?

So ALWAYS ask before buying or reporting the oddballs!

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I'd love the feel that buckle. It makes no sense to put a heavy brass buckle on a lightweight bag!
 
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