Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

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IMPORTANT READ-ME

Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:
  • Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.
  • Front of item
  • Back of item
  • Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
  • Made in tags (when available)
  • Measurements
  • For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
  • For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
  • If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.
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#28,066
Hyacinth said:
Please read Post number One in this thread if you want authentications. We need a full set of photos. Right now it just sounds like a guessing game and that's NOT what we do here. This isn't Sporcle or Jeopardy.

But just to hopefully eliminate any potential games, the Q plant wasn't opened in China until 2003. Q was never used for any US plant.
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I apologize for being uninformed. I will read it. I've read on here for months. Joined today. I already own these three bags. The middle one became suspicious when I noticed the shape of the brass.1521695152457.jpg
 
#28,069
MondaynManiac said:
Which is fake?
Thank you in advance for your time. I just discovered that one is probably fake.View attachment 4009977View attachment 4009978View attachment 4009979
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MondaynManiac said:
I apologize for being uninformed. I will read it. I've read on here for months. Joined today. I already own these three bags. The middle one became suspicious when I noticed the shape of the brass.View attachment 4010019
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The creed for the C4D bag looks correct. However, I agree with you that the buckle doesn't seem to be the correct shape. I'd like to see other details of that bag, including the entire inside pocket, the rivets in the leather at the buckle ends, and the zipper pull. Are there any markings on the buckle? Are both buckles the same?

ETA: I'd like to see the same details on the bag with the Q creed.
 
#28,070
MondaynManiac said:
It's the C4D. Top right in this photo. It's comparable in quality to the others. Thank you for your response.
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Whoa, hold on a minute. Why do you think every Coach bag ever made had the same buckles and hardware? There's a very important fact that we keep bringing up over and over again - YOU CAN ONLY COMPARE DETAILS ON BAGS OF THE SAME STYLE AND WITH THE SAME STYLE NUMBER AND MADE IN THE SAME PLANT, MONTH AND YEAR. You're looking at 2 style 9953s made 3 years apart and expecting them to be identical.

And the probably fake bag doesn't even seem to have the same style number as the others, it looks to me like the last number is an 8 unless the lighting is playing tricks, which is always possible. Or it has a ding or vein in the leather in exactly the wrong place.

Do what the Rules in the first post say. Post photos of the important details of each bag separately. Don't mix pictures of 2 styles in one post, it gets confusing. If I had to base an opinion just on a creed and serial number photo I'd say the first 2 are probably genuine, but there's no way to be sure without photos.

NOTHING can be authenticated just from a creed photo or a serial number. That's something else we keep emphasizing. That's why a full set pf phots is so important.

No rush to do it tonight, BTW. Whateve will probably be up for a while but I'm going to sleep.
 
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#28,071
whateve said:
The creed for the C4D bag looks correct. However, I agree with you that the buckle doesn't seem to be the correct shape. I'd like to see other details of that bag, including the entire inside pocket, the rivets in the leather at the buckle ends, and the zipper pull. Are there any markings on the buckle? Are both buckles the same?

ETA: I'd like to see the same details on the bag with the Q creed.
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Thanks for responding. The buckles are the same. No writing on either.1521702250187.jpg1521702323273.jpg1521702381269.jpg1521702425970.jpg
 
#28,072
Hyacinth said:
Whoa, hold on a minute. Why do you think every Coach bag ever made had the same buckles and hardware? There's a very important fact that we keep bringing up over and over again - YOU CAN ONLY COMPARE DETAILS ON BAGS OF THE SAME STYLE AND WITH THE SAME STYLE NUMBER AND MADE IN THE SAME PLANT, MONTH AND YEAR. You're looking at 2 style 9953s made 3 years apart and expecting them to be identical.

And the probably fake bag doesn't even seem to have the same style number as the others, it looks to me like the last number is an 8 unless the lighting is playing tricks, which is always possible. Or it has a ding or vein in the leather in exactly the wrong place.

Do what the Rules in the first post say. Post photos of the important details of each bag separately. Don't mix pictures of 2 styles in one post, it gets confusing. If I had to base an opinion just on a creed and serial number photo I'd say the first 2 are probably genuine, but there's no way to be sure without photos.

NOTHING can be authenticated just from a creed photo or a serial number. That's something else we keep emphasizing. That's why a full set pf phots is so important.
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Thanks for asking. I purchased what I thought may be a fake for the cross body strap. It has the same flat buckles. That's how this started.
 
#28,076
MondaynManiac said:
Thanks for responding. The buckles are the same. No writing on either.View attachment 4010081View attachment 4010083View attachment 4010084View attachment 4010085
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MondaynManiac said:
Thanks for asking. I purchased what I thought may be a fake for the cross body strap. It has the same flat buckles. That's how this started.
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Every thing about this bag looks good. It is authentic. I have to admit I don't recall ever seeing buckles like that, but upon looking I found another just like yours. https://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-Vint...981320?hash=item2aa280dfc8:g:r-oAAOSwXEdaeOA7 These must have been just used for a short time for this style in the D plant in 1994. I wonder if I've come across them before and just didn't notice.

ETA: Here's another, made in 1995. https://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-HELE...219282?hash=item25f02c3652:g:ImYAAOSwuLZY5~4g It must be more prevalent than I thought.
 
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#28,078
MondaynManiac said:
I originally thought it was a replacement strap.
A is for Jan
1= 2001
Q = fake?
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Q is a valid plant code for China starting in 2003. It wasn't in operation in 2001, and it wasn't ever used for the US. Many fakes have straps with silver grommets on bags with brass hardware. Yes, straps can be replaced but since we see it so often on fakes, it is significant. If that were the only thing wrong with the bag, we would still say it was authentic with a replacement strap. However, both the creed and the 'solid brass' stamped on the buckles further prove the bag is counterfeit. Additionally the inside pocket appears to be quite a bit smaller than the pocket of your authentic bag.
 
#28,079
whateve said:
Every thing about this bag looks good. It is authentic. I have to admit I don't recall ever seeing buckles like that, but upon looking I found another just like yours. https://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-Vint...981320?hash=item2aa280dfc8:g:r-oAAOSwXEdaeOA7 These must have been just used for a short time for this style in the D plant in 1994. I wonder if I've come across them before and just didn't notice.
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Wow that was quick. I mentioned I have a fake with the flat buckle. That's how this started. Btw. I knew it was. I just wanted the strap.1521704659874.jpg
 
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