Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

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Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:
  • Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
  • Note that authenticators have the right to refuse any requests. This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:
  • FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
    Item:
    Listing number:
    Seller and site where listed
    Link:
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  • FOR ITEMS NOT LISTED ONLINE:
    Item:
    Where purchased or how obtained
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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.
  • Front of item
  • Back of item
  • Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
  • Made in tags (when available)
  • Measurements
  • For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
  • For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
  • If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.
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#22,906
Canter said:
Good Morning,
I wanted to check in with the experts about replacing the turnlocks on some of my vintage Coach bags. I'd like to replace them (with new, real brass ones) because they are either scratched, stained or a bit loose, but I'm concerned that somewhere down the road, having a different turn lock will indicate that they are not authentic. Could authenticity still be verified? Would it be safe to do this? I suppose I could save the old turnlocks and keep them in the bags, but I'd prefer not to do this.
Thank you!
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You can find replacements that look exactly like the ones Coach used. I got one directly from Coach. The authenticators on this forum don't use an abnormal turnlock as absolute proof something is fake since we know that turnlocks can be replaced; however, that doesn't mean that every authenticator thinks the same. I used a turnlock off a fake once to replace the turnlock on my authentic bag but I only used the male part. It is difficult for me to get them attached as tightly and securely as they were originally.
 
#22,908
whateve said:
You can find replacements that look exactly like the ones Coach used. I got one directly from Coach. The authenticators on this forum don't use an abnormal turnlock as absolute proof something is fake since we know that turnlocks can be replaced; however, that doesn't mean that every authenticator thinks the same. I used a turnlock off a fake once to replace the turnlock on my authentic bag but I only used the male part. It is difficult for me to get them attached as tightly and securely as they were originally.
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Thank you, Whateve! This is so helpful! I actually have ordered a turnlock replacement kit from Coach, but I need more than one and didn't feel I could ask for several, so ordered some online. However, the ones I received are not exactly like the originals. But what a great suggestion to only use part of the turnlock replacement pieces.
 
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Whateve, I've just replaced part of a turnlock on a bag -- since you said it could be difficult getting them attached as securely as they were originally, I asked my husband for help, and we found that by using needle-nose pliers carefully braced against only the metal hardware that we could get a tight, secure fit (he thinks even tighter than before.) I just wanted to share that in case it's helpful to you. Thanks again for your help!
 
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Canter said:
Whateve, I've just replaced part of a turnlock on a bag -- since you said it could be difficult getting them attached as securely as they were originally, I asked my husband for help, and we found that by using needle-nose pliers carefully braced against only the metal hardware that we could get a tight, secure fit (he thinks even tighter than before.) I just wanted to share that in case it's helpful to you. Thanks again for your help!
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Thanks. I have needlenose pliers but I guess mine are too short because I couldn't reach the metal on both sides. If I have to do it again, I'll get some new pliers. I need some anyway.
 
#22,914
Hyacinth said:
The Daria48 Fakes List specifies that ANY 2-digit prefix is fake.
"ANY Coach bag with only two letters or one number and one letter to the left of the hyphen is fake."
http://www.ebay.com/gds/Fake-Coach-Serial-Numbers-NT-4903-and-more-/10000000002744619/g.html

There are just too many fake 2-digit prefix numbers to list all of them.
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I am sorry that I did not look past the list of 2 digit fake list. I know how busy you authenticators are and you should not be bothered with questions that I could have answered myself. Mea culpa.
 
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IMG_4444.JPG IMG_4445.JPG Another I believe is fake, but bought so long ago I cannot locate it online.

Meant to be a black Willis with silver hardware. Photos below. Thanks in advance for your help!
 

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#22,918
merritt9 said:
View attachment 3712916 View attachment 3712917 Another I believe is fake, but bought so long ago I cannot locate it online.

Meant to be a black Willis with silver hardware. Photos below. Thanks in advance for your help!
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Welcome to tPF!

The second one IS a Willis with nickle hardware.

Unfortunately the backpack is fake, which isn't that uncommon with "Coaches" bought on Poshmark since they don't have any kind of authentication system and refuse to act on reports of fakes on their site even when they're reported by the Coach authenticators here who are also registered as PM members and when the details of WHY the items are fake are clearly explained. That's why we never recommend buying from PM. Even if you'd found out right after you bought it that it was fake, you still might not get a refund, quite a few members here have had to fight tooth and nail to get their money back and many never did.

That padded area of the leather tab that's part the turnlock mounting isn't shaped correctly. Many fake Willises and other bags from that family show the same problem, and should always be authenticated here because they're almost all highly faked. The shape of the flap on the front pocket is also very slightly "off" on the bottom edge, that's another warning sign for fake backpacks in this 9992 style, and there are a LOT of fakes. Other problems - the serial number prefix has a plant code that doesn't quite fit with what we've been able to figure out about the history of that "B" plant, and the entire serial number font is too big, it doesn't match the few genuine B plant bags I have on file. We discussed the same situation here several times including this post from last year:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-coach.889527/page-1179#post-30688653

So while G2B- prefixes with a smaller font are genuine if they have the same fonts as the genuine ones in our photo libraries, those H2B-s apparently aren't. Not only are the fonts wrong, but there are always at least 2 or 3 other details that are red flags.

BTW, in the other thread you said it was from 1992. I think you may have some bad information or maybe misunderstood how Coach date codes are read. Coach wasn't even using actual date and year codes in serial numbers until 1994, so a 2 in the year position would indicate 2002, not 1992. And that particular backpack style wasn't even introduced until late1996.

Please read and save the links to the six Salearea Coach Guides posted at Ebay, the creeds and serial numbers are dissected in several of the Guides:
http://www.ebay.com/gsr/i.html?uid="salearea"&rmvSB=true
 
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#22,919
merritt9 said:
View attachment 3712916 View attachment 3712917 Another I believe is fake, but bought so long ago I cannot locate it online.

Meant to be a black Willis with silver hardware. Photos below. Thanks in advance for your help!
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Just to clarify what Hyacinth wrote, this bag is authentic. The silver hardware was called nickel, and is a little different from silver. Just curious, is the zipper inside brass? It looks like it in the photos. I've seen authentic bags with nickel hardware that used brass zippers so that isn't a problem.
 
#22,920
merritt9 said:
Item: Coach backpack
Item number: do not believe Poshmark has item numbers
Seller: allagevintage65
Link: https://poshmark.com/listing/Coach-backpack-58cbfee578b31c452302f7eb
Link (extra photos): https://poshmark.com/listing/Not-for-sell-58e0f2e2eaf03005df076d7d

And a photo of creed because the one the seller posted is not very clear: View attachment 3712904
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Hyacinth said:
The second one IS a Willis with nickle hardware.

Unfortunately the backpack is fake, which isn't that uncommon with "Coaches" bought on Poshmark since they don't have any kind of authentication system and refuse to act on reports of fakes on their site even when they're reported by the Coach authenticators here who are also registered as PM members and when the details of WHY the items are fake are clearly explained. That's why we never recommend buying from PM. Even if you'd found out right after you bought it that it was fake, you still might not get a refund, quite a few members here have had to fight tooth and nail to get their money back and many never did.

That padded area of the leather tab that's part the turnlock base isn't shaped correctly. Many fake Willises and other bags from that family show the same problem, and should always be authenticated here because they're almost all highly faked. The shape of the flap on the front pocket is also very slightly "off" on the bottom edge, that's another warning sign for fake backpacks in this 9992 style, and there are a LOT of fakes. Other problems - the serial number prefix has a plant code that doesn't quite fit with what we've been able to figure out about the history of that "B" plant, and the entire serial number font is too big, it doesn't match the few genuine B plant bags I have on file. We discussed the same situation here several times including this post from last year:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-coach.889527/page-1179#post-30688653

So while G2B- prefixes with a smaller font are genuine, those H2B-s aren't. Not only are the fonts wrong, but there are always at least 2 or 3 other details that are red flags.
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If Poshmark won't give your money back, open up a dispute, with Paypal if you used it, or your credit card company.
 
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